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Both jnr and eric are still babbling away but only on the truth social and other nutter sites. The media cant be arsed reporting on them in the main so unless you going looking you get to live in happy ignorance of them.
On another forum occasionally see some of the more moronic statements from them posted to laugh at.
The odious one’s odious children – ivanka, donald jnr & eric – have had nothing to say for some time.
You, like Trump, have forgotten about Tiffany.
https://www.indy100.com/news/tiffany-trump-snubbed-daughter-father-9708361
https://twitter.com/UROCKlive1/status/1136775233493323776
https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1677503268015026178
Jnr has a pretty strict policy of only posting stuff online when he’s absolutely off his tits, these days.
So most of the time then?
He was supposed to be touring Australia but it ran into some hiccups.
pca - no, I didn't forget about Tiffany; she's had very limited involvement compared with her step siblings and has also said very little.
You, like Trump, have forgotten about Tiffany.
She might not be his type.
https://newrepublic.com/post/173968/donald-trump-fantasized-sex-ivanka-new-book-says
You, like Trump, have forgotten about Tiffany.
I think she's alone now!
👏
Assuming this is being done in the hope he wins and can then pardon himself?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66162668
I think she’s alone now!
10/10
Assuming this is being done in the hope he wins and can then pardon himself?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66162668/blockquote >
So, is there any legal precedence for delaying a trial because the defendant would like to apply for a job??? Another desperate attempt to delay and obfuscate...
Seems probable that another indictment is coming.
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1681303599987712000
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1681296965823533056
Seems probable that another indictment is coming.
Goody.
It needs to happen. It may provoke his more militant supporters back on to the streets, which will at least force the whole country to piss or get off the pot*
The whole Trump boil needs lancing and purging so America can start to move on.
*accepting that this may entail tragic loss of life.
Christ. Who wrote that statement? It's barely semi-literate
Proper nuts, having a public tantrum because someone sent him a letter...
I think he wrote that out with a partially eaten crayon, then some unfortunate had to transcribe it and turn it into barely literate English.
Christ. Who wrote that statement? It’s barely semi-literate
Getting his mental capacity defence in early?
You heard it here first....
Christ. Who wrote that statement? It’s barely semi-literate
All his statements read like that.
He'll have three separate groups of indictments hanging over his campaign within the next couple of weeks, and he'll still be nominated as candidate by the party of law and order...
Add racketeering to the growing list....
IANAL, but "racketeering" sounds serious. Here's hoping another book is thrown at him.
Well I hope he hands back those Oil Lamps before someone on Ebay puts a bid in.
I can't figure out if this is real or parody.
I am a 3%er and a 1%er and that makes 4%
https://twitter.com/Andie00471/status/1682446898781736965
Jack Smith has just issued a 'superceding indictment' which puts the odious orange one in even deeper shit.
Excellent news.
A former Trump White House lawyer ( Ty cobb) said the evidence against the former president over his handling of classified documents was now “overwhelming” and would “last an antiquity”, after new charges were filed in the case on Thursday.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/28/trump-lawyer-charges-1000-years-mar-a-lago
One of the key things for me is can the prosecutors get one of the aides to flip? they must surely realise at some point they are going to do real jail time unless they cut a deal. waiting for Trump to get elected president again and pardon them seems a huge risk compared to years inside
waiting for Trump to get elected president again and pardon
a think a 1000 or so Jan 6ers jailed or facing jail time just now will remind those aides that when Trump says he'll pay for everyones dinner.. he won't.
Indictment incoming today?
Let it be true.
The bad news is that being indicted or even convicted doesn't appear to stop him running for president. His base don't even seem to care too much about the charges
The good news is that it does appear to eat significantly into any campaign funds he has and elections are heavily dependant on both funding and facetime so it does make it more difficult for him to win.
All the money in the world can't buy respect.
I hope all the people that he (even remotely) cares about,leave him.
I've just read on BBC that across all the charges there's 72 counts of fraud and conspiracy just relating since his time as president.
Makes BoJo look like an amateur.
Meanwhile the Guardian reckons that since Ivanka and Jared have come crawling back and are starting to be seen with him again, it must mean he has a good shout at getting back in!
Wow. What an unpleasant interview on R4 just now with Sebastian Gauke. Irrespective of his views on Trump, just the approach to the interview itself.
, it must mean he has a good shout at getting back in!
plenty of hus supporters actually believe the election was stolen from him, so its not surprising, also biden is really old!
They should have indicted him for sedition (conviction automatically disqualifies you from running for office), just so the RNC would have the prospect of a candidate who couldn't be a candidate a few months out from election day.
The fact that such a huge chunk of voters still back him regardless means that no election can resolve the sickness in US politics. It will spill over into violence again.
That Gorka **** up there 👆 is a professional agitator and all round bell end. I just wish he didn’t have a pompous British accent lest the rest of the world think we’re also deranged nut jobs with a fetid political system… 🤔
That Gorka **** up there 👆 is a professional agitator and all round bell end. I just wish he didn’t have a pompous British accent lest the rest of the world think we’re also deranged nut jobs with a fetid political system… 🤔
I don't understand why they gave him a platform. I know some will argue its about balance but the story is a potential criminal being charged with crimes. Just report the facts, no need for a minority voice to be given a national media platform
I've never thought Trump would actually go to jail but it doesn't feel like an impossible scenario. There must be some fascinating planning discussions going in within the Secret Service. How would you efficiently manage his security in jail?
Roll on the trial!
I’ve never thought Trump would actually go to jail and then still get elected president but it doesn’t feel like an impossible scenario.
Ftfy
The fact that such a huge chunk of voters still back him regardless means that no election can resolve the sickness in US politics. It will spill over into violence again.
Very much this. The Democrats seem to want to have Trump as the Republican candidate as this will divide the country into hardcore MAGA Trump nutjobs and everyone else. I think they need to be very careful what they wish for.
Said hardcore MAGA Trump nutjobs have shown that they're more than willing to * democracy off if its not going their way and go for the armed approach instead. Combine that with the fact that Trump fully gets this and will ruthlessly exploit it, and the MAGA nutjobs have got more arms than the Ukrainian army and you could soon have some serious shit on your hands that makes the last time look like a slight regional skirmish
Meanwhile, I imagine that the part of the American electorate that isn't married to its cousin and stockpiling assault rifles is looking at the two likely choices being offered to them as presidential candidates and saying 'are you *ing serious?! THAT is what we've got to choose from?!'
Obviously, given the choice we were offered in 2019, I can understand their feelings on that front
Meanwhile, I imagine that the part of the American electorate that isn’t married to its cousin and stockpiling assault rifles is looking at the two likely choices being offered to them as presidential candidates and saying ‘are you ****ing serious?!’
Theres quite a big divide between the people who actively participate in nominations and primaries and the rest of the voting public, while for instance Trump is far and away the front runner in the nominations and Biden is the elected encumbant most of the general voting public don't actually want either of them - they just won't get anyone else on the ballot paper.
That's the problem for Biden - he should have spent his first term getting his successor in place, and called it a day at one term. Sadly I don't think Kamala Harris fits the bill, as the political discourse is so utterly poisoned that she doesn't have a chance.
I love the way they scream about it being politically motivated, then on the same breath attack Biden thorough the antics of his son.
Or are all for law, and law enforcement, except of course when it's Trump breaking the law.
Trump is just a loudmouth clown. DeSantis on the other hand is seriously scary.
DeSantis on the other hand is seriously scary.
Fortunately, he seems so immensely unlikeable, even to Republicans, that his campaign is struggling. He won't be the candidate unless Trump withdraws, or is disqualified.
Trump will neither withdraw and he cant be disqualified
It really does look like he will be going to jail tho. Fingers crossed
Remember back in the day when we couldn't believe they'd elected someone as stupid as Dubya and we all laughed at them?
Remember back in the day when we couldn’t believe they’d elected someone as stupid as Dubya and we all laughed at them?
That was the seed for the Republican meltdown - Dubya effectively stealing Florida on a vote count technicality potentially gave Trump and other nutjob republicans the idea that could do it again.
Hard to see how this plays out. US seems so polarized that it seems impossible to reconcile the two viewpoints. I was going to say the two sides, but it's really the two dem sides(east and west coast) versus the republican middle (counting Florida as the middle here)
Even the folks i talk with on a regular basis don't know how it's going to go.
I just hope he keeps on long enough to get the nomination, keeping desantis out, and then starts getting hit with guilty verdicts one after the other during the campaign. Even attending court is going to detract massively from his ability to campaign. The centrist/floating vote won't touch him. So long as they turn out for biden, and remember that it's difficult to shift an incumbent, it 'should' be good.
Obviously, there's a lot of anti-Trump rhetoric on this forum (which is fine by me as I'm fiercely anti-Trump and anti-just-about-anything on the fringe of the MAGA/Republican party/"Christian" values movement) but does anyone here follow any of the more centrist elements of media/social media (does such a thing even exist anymore?)?
I get most of my news from BBC/Guardian/NY Times and it's awash with this news but with a very particular slant to it. What are the more "central" news sources reporting? How are the more centrist Republicans ACTUALLY handling this?
It seems to me that the pro-Trump hysteria is generating a lot of noise and suggesting a massive and unsettling polarization of the US. I can't believe that over 40% of the voting population are so wilfully ignorant of what's happening here to consider voting for Trump.
So, long story short, what the hell are the centralists going to do to pull this back from them brink??
So, long story short, what the hell are the centralists going to do to pull this back from them brink??
They will vote Biden, like last time, because
over 40% of the voting population are so wilfully ignorant of what’s happening
My lad was in the States in 2019, and came back convinced the country wouldn't stay together due to the deep political divide
They will vote Biden, like last time, because
I meant more like, how does the centrists "save" the Republican party or de-polarize the population.
I've been to the US enough times to know that what we see or read about in the news does not reflect on how 40%+ of the population behave.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that Biden/the Democrats don't hold huge poll leads or majorities in Congress but that could be because my views are too "metropolitan elite"
I get most of my news from BBC/Guardian/NY Times and it’s awash with this news but with a very particular slant to it.
These are centrist establishment slanted new sources.
US media makes our look neutral and accurate.
also due to Gerrymandering and the way the US electoral system works the right have a huge advantage - much more than the rights electoral advantage here
I can’t believe that over 40% of the voting population are so wilfully ignorant of what’s happening here to consider voting for Trump.
The 40% will vote Republican. Who ever is in charge doesn't really matter. The strange concept that is electoral colleges in the US helps the cause too.
So, long story short, what the hell are the centralists going to do to pull this back from them brink??
Actually, the cycle of voting might help them out IIRC. Can't remember the exact details but this next round of elections (not presidential) is the last chance for Republicans to take over the Senate etc. properly for a good number of years (I think there are more Democatic seats up for re-election this time around) as the next couple of rounds have more Republican seats for grabs, so in theory they can lose more than they could gain.
I think Biden isn't massively popular either but he seems to be getting the economy going again (green subsidy/state intervention) and they'll judge him on that and likely vote him in for a second term.
Trump has a vocal, yet small(er) number of followers. The clown show that is going to be him in court/jail whilst campaigning might rile up his vocal cultists but its not going to get him anymore swing voters. Sadly, as pointed out, one of the maga loons will have an AR15 he/she is not afraid to use, but can't see a widespread uprising.
I think once he's wearing the matching orange jumpsuit I can see the Repulicans rapidly distancing themselves and (possibly) positioning themselves back to the centre. Or they could go more extreme but that'll likely not win for them next time, much like the Tory choice once they get booted into opposition. Trump won't got to jail, much as I'd like to see if if he's convicted. He'll either be under house arrest in Florida for 200 years because of the 'security aspect' or bailed/grounded until he does the appeal after appeal until he croaks it.
In the end of the day, the big money will realise the loons don't get into power so they don't get their say so that'll ultimately affect the direction of travel.
And we think our electoral system is broken and the people it attracts are odd...
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that Biden/the Democrats don’t hold huge poll leads or majorities in Congress but that could be because my views are too “metropolitan elite”
The number of votes each state gets towards the presidential race is wildly skewed in Republican favour - I think possibly because of the concentrations of population on the more coastline states, makes the North/South divide in the UK look fairly balanced.
Indeed. trumps win he lost the popular vote by a significant margin IIRC but their system of winner takes all state by state means he won. their system makes our look democratic
I’m being naive here but, how can a man awaiting trial for a plethora of offences still be allowed to be in the running for President. Boggles my tiny mind. Surely at best you’d be placed on hold until the legal situation resolved. Seems mental and more than a bit messed up. Also it’s Donald ****ing Trump. Letting him be in charge once was amusing for the rest of the world but twice FFS!
I’m going out on a limb and saying he’ll be president again. The film Idiocracy is looking more like a documentary every day.
I’m being naive here but, how can a man awaiting trial for a plethora of offences still be allowed to be in the running for President.
Because the rules were written when it was a gentleman's club of politicians and so it wouldnt come up.
I’m being naive here but, how can a man awaiting trial for a plethora of offences still be allowed to be in the running for President. Boggles my tiny mind. Surely at best you’d be placed on hold until the legal situation resolved.
As someone that hates Trump, I disagree. What you're arguing for is effectively an ability for prosecutors to exclude people from standing for election merely by charging them with crimes. Prosecutors often behave unfairly or overestimate the strength of their case. If you've got a conviction - well, maybe fair enough. But if you haven't proved your case, then let the electorate decide whether the person shouldve elected.
Sadly I don’t think Kamala Harris fits the bill, as the political discourse is so utterly poisoned that she doesn’t have a chance.
To be fair - Biden hasn't done all he can to propel her, but Harris just hasn't been that good either. She doesn't come across well, and she hasn't done a great job on the tasks that have been assigned to her. 🤷♂️
Just like over here in some circles, those that are the most vocal about their patriotism, defending democracy, free speech etc are the same bloody ones that do their damnedest to destroy it all.
Hope he sees some jail time but the appeals will go on for years.
but the appeals will go on for years.
Asuming he can afford the lawyers, I'm not sure 'I'll pay you when I win' would really wash with any decent lawyer these days when it comes to trump.
Asuming he can afford the lawyers, I’m not sure ‘I’ll pay you when I win’ would really wash with any decent lawyer these days when it comes to trump.
I think he's already appealing for cash for his run at presidency and I bet a damn big chunk of that will go on lawyers.
He's the ultimate grifter.
Hopefully any decent lawyers run away from defending him but I doubt it unfortunately.
Still, as you allude to, the US gov have *very* deep pockets.👍😁
Hopefully any decent lawyers run away from defending him but I doubt it unfortunately
From what I have read they have.
The last set of lawyers seemed to be bargain basement cultists.
His habit of not paying and being a moron client means he is reduced to just the true believers. Who dont tend to make good lawyers.
I am pretty sure I read he is diverting millions from his election fundraising to his legal expenses
Luckily for "us", the judge who will be hearing the latest case, isn't a pussycat:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6638360 3"> http://BBC News - Who is Tanya Chutkan? The hard-line judge on Trump's election case https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66383603
poops & tj - he's been, apparently legally, diverting funds from one of his PACs to fund his legal defence to the tune of c$40mill to date.
The same PAC has also requested that donations it made to a 'super PAC' be refunded.
All of this on behalf of an individual who claims to be worth billions so...pay your own bills you f***ing lowlife.
Does this chicanery breach US election law?
It must be pushing the legal boundaries.
It must be pushing the legal boundaries.
That's trumps entire modus operandi... it's what he does and how he survives. Why spend your own money when you can spend other peoples?
I would say the stress of living like that would kill most people, but he's a total narcissist/ sociapath, so it probably doesn't register in his brain, allowing him to sleep at night.
The number of votes each state gets towards the presidential race is wildly skewed in Republican favour – I think possibly because of the concentrations of population on the more coastline states, makes the North/South divide in the UK look fairly balanced.
Each state gets one vote in the electoral college for each seat in congress. The states with the smallest populations get one seat in the House of Representatives, but two Senate seats, so they get three votes in the electoral college. The large states get extra seats in the House, but they still only get two Senate seats. Wyoming has only about 500,000 people compared to about 40,000,000 for California, for example, so it gets three votes in the electoral college compared to 54 for California. Those small states are mostly rural and vote Republican. That gives Republicans an edge. It's not wildly skewed, but it's a definite advantage.
For nearly all the states, the electoral college votes are awarded on a winner-take-all basis. Florida is the closest of the large states to being a swing state, but a candidate who gets 50.1% of the vote takes all 30 electoral college votes. California (54 E.C. votes) and New York (28) are solidly Democrat, while Texas (40 votes) is a fairly safe Republican state. When it's all added up, a Republican can't really win without Florida. In 2020, Trump needed to win several of Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nevada. It would have taken fewer than 200,000 votes to have flipped five of those states to Trump. It's really a small number of voters in swing states who decide the outcome.
poops & tj – he’s been, apparently legally, diverting funds from one of his PACs to fund his legal defence to the tune of c$40mill to date.
Not even really 'diverting' in that in some of his funding drives its clearly stated that he'll use the money for something other that campaigning. Some of his funding raising campaigns the funds you'd donate would only actually be used for campaign funding if your donation was over a certain threshold and a lot of his hardcore "small-dollar donors" were by default giving consent for their money to be used for 'other' by simply not giving him enough cash.
Is not even a new thing - back in 2018 - in the relatively untroubled mid point of his presidency he was diverting millions of campaign funds to his lawyers
His lawyers at that time (they weren't really 'his' lawyer, they chose him to further their own aims - he was their vehicle) - were 'Jones Day' who trousered that money- the one bunch of lawyers he's had dealings with that weren't a bunch of total fuds. They are probably the most interesting thing to have happened up to and during Trumps presidency and somehow they've walked away from the the wreckage of Trumps presdency having got everything they wanted and totally unsullied buy all the fall out. I really dont think Trump has even realised what they did or how they used him. If you've got the time for it theres a really interesting item about them at approx 17m on this podcast
The same PAC has also requested that donations it made to a ‘super PAC’ be refunded.
All of this on behalf of an individual who claims to be worth billions so…pay your own bills you f***ing lowlife.
Does this chicanery breach US election law?
It must be pushing the legal boundaries.
I think the key thing with campaign funding is....... you don't actually have to run. You can maybe get into bother over campaign financing if you actually get elected but your can campaign up to the last minute and then withdraw and you don't have to give any money back. So from trumps point of view his re-election campaign being derailed by any legal process is of no consequence. He's been fundraising for 're-election' long before he even announced he'd run becuase theres nothing to lose.
78 charges so far - more to come 🤦🏻♂️🤷♂️
78 charges so far –
You see the best president ever. No other president not even Washington got so many. MAGA.