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Marco has misplaced his irony-meter again.
37 charges apparently - things are moving quickly. His valet charged as well ( I think in an attempt to flip him) Two of his lawyers have resigned. its not looking good for the orange shitgibbon
Jeez, some of the documents he’d pinched! If you didn’t need any more evidence that the Russians have him in their pocket eh?!
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Jody
Blooming heck at some of those documents.
Ah well, at least he didn't up the jail time for such behaviour in the hope he could send down Hilary, only to find he's now subject to the stricter laws and increased punishment.
Oh.
Wait.
😂😂😂
From that indictment:
On August 18, 2016 TRUMP stated, "In my administration I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law."
And a load more in a similar vein.
Is he a Russian spy?
He is certainly a "useful idiot" for the russians
Checking in on Twitter this morning
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That's fantastic.
Trump the Russian stooge so stupid he didn't realize he was one.
Does anyone have any idea why he wanted those documents? What did he want to do with them?
Ego boost is my guess. Trying to remain important and it bolsters his fantasy world
What did he want to do with them?
The man is unable to string two coherent thoughts together so I doubt Trump thought any further ahead other than assuming that it made him look "cool" amongst his "friends". But take a step back and think about who would benefit from the rest of the world realising that the US can't be trusted to keep their national security information secret.
It's highly likely he's being "handled" by someone else.
Apparently he was really pissed with General Milley, former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/28/mark-milley-us-general-trump-shouting-match
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/24/mark-milley-lafayette-park-fallout-00088585
Milley's revelations showed what an utterly incompetent leader Trump was so Trump seems to have tried to keep documents that would support his claims that he was a genius and it was Milley who screwed things up. Trump was apparently obsessed with Milley and would rant on to MAL visitors about him and pull out documents to prove his points. However, they were also really paranoid about reporters not reporting things the way they wanted so they recorded his conversations so they could prove that Trump was being victimized by the press. Those recordings are evidence that he deliberately retained classified documents and knew they were classified.
On top of that, he's not a very organized guy so it looks like he just grabbed everything he could on the way out the door without really knowing what most of it was. So, yeah, probably a bit of ego driving him to keep some trophies to show off, some deliberate attempts to keep embarrassing or useful documents, plus a huge dose of laziness and incompetence.
However, the idea that he was intending to sell secrets to Russia is silly. He is a useful idiot for Russian propaganda, but there is absolutely zero evidence that he took documents intending to sell them to foreign agents.
there is absolutely zero evidence that he took documents intending to sell them to foreign agents.
DoJ recently started an investigation into his foreign business dealings.
DoJ recently started an investigation into his foreign business dealings.
That's not related to the documents case.
If I were trump I'd be seriously eying up properties in south America, lol!
But much like Borris I guess, he doesn't know when to cut his losses. His ego won't allow it.
gobuchul
Free MemberWhat did he want to do with them?
Part of the evidence is that he literally just liked showing people them and saying "look, classified documents". That doesn't mean he wasn't planning anything worse, but the default position of "why would you steal it without a plan to gain from it" doesn't neccesarily apply when you're dealing with an actual mushroom.
I'd think the fact they are 'classified' would mean that they cannot be shared for bragging about.
I dunno why, for reasons of national security. Or daft things like that.
https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushners-ties-saudi-arabia-need-doj-scrutiny-ex-trump-lawyer-1805742
"I mean this whole $2 billion to an unqualified hedge funder makes no sense to me. And in light of the information that came out that there was military information on Iran, and we all know that Saudi Arabia has had Iranian aggression on their mind for a long time.
-- Michael Cohen.
mattyfez
Full MemberI’d think the fact they are ‘classified’ would mean that they cannot be shared for bragging about
Yup, but who can blame him, after all sometimes you just have to impress serious people like (checks note) Kid Rock
“We’re looking at maps and s—, and I’m like, ‘Am I supposed to be in on this s—? I make dirty records sometimes. ‘What do you think we should do about North Korea?’ I’m like, ‘What? I don’t think I’m qualified to answer this.’”
(this isn't confirmed yet, but the deposition mentions "In August or September 2021, at The Bedminster Club, Trump showed a representative of his political action committee who did not possess a security clearance a classified map related to a military operation", and people have connected it to this quote from Kid Rock talking to Tucker Carlson in 2022)
So, if Trump keeps getting his lawyers disbarred, he might end up being represented by a court appointed lawyer.
https://twitter.com/7Veritas4/status/1668257782838046792
One of Trumps current lawyers was on TV stating the Presidential Act, was, like, duh, an act that allowed the president to do whatever he wanted with stuff.
Rather than the act very specially saying anything produced by a president was property of the US.
He's doomed. Unless she's a grade A troll.
Does anyone have any idea why he wanted those documents? What did he want to do with them?
Some (CNN?) presenter was suggesting it might be for revenge on certain people, kinda being able to wave (classified!) documents in the air and say 'Ah ha, you said XXX, and these papers prove its YYY'.
Though to me, some of that stuff looks very useful to people who might pay him lots of money for a new hotel.
I have friends in the US telling me that some... parties in the US are calling for an armed uprising if The Tango Fascist gets indicted today.
This lawyer has a crack at explaining the current charges. Absolutely mind blowing stuff:
I still can't get over how this guy is worshipped by so many. He's a man baby that cries all the time when he is slighted in any way whilst not being able to put a coherent sentence together most of the time. I get the stick it to the man mentality but he has always been part of the rich "elite" in the USA, he cares not one bit for his worshippers yet they still fawn over him.
He's rich by some measures but he's never been one of the elite. I think this is at the heart of his problems. His dad set him up and then had to bail him out and he's never been part of that charitable set that demonstrate how much money they've got by doing the big donations at the fancy dinners. Perhaps because he's never be able to fit in as he's such a colossal arse. All this has ever been is him 'showing them', much like Alex Jones, or Johnson. Sad little men raging at the world.
He is still having trouble getting lawyers to represent him. A couple of his choices are disbarred in the state 🙂
wooksterbo - he knows how to pander to their prejudices
He is still having trouble getting lawyers to represent him.
He's probably struggling to find lawyers who won't tell him to cop for it and negotiate a deal to avoid an orange jump suit.
So having already claimed that he declassified the documents (by thinking "these are declassified now"), and also that the presidential act means that classified or not he was entitled to have the documents, now he's claiming that they were planted by the FBI. Yep that's how it works, when planting evidence you always make sure first that it's something completely nonincriminating that the person is allowed to have.
I get the stick it to the man mentality but he has always been part of the rich “elite” in the USA
He hasn't. He was born into wealth but he's never been part of any 'elite'. Not for want of trying. Non of the elite want his company- he's never been able to get into the club. He's alway wanted to buy a football or baseball team for instance becuase thats what the wealthy American elites do - but nobody will sell one to him because doing so would mean having to invite him into their circle.
The more we find out about this the worse it looks for Trump. Its hard to see what his defense can be given the depth of the evidence. Also hard to see why Nauta has not flipped given his well documented role in it. Is he banking on Trump becoming president again and pardoning him? A high stakes gamble given the potential for long jail terms
The espionage charge doesn’t rely on the documents being classified anyway, just that they are national defence related, and that they have been mishandled, removed etc. The fly in the ointment is the judge, who is Trump appointed and has already tried to interfere on behalf of Trump.
Federal judge is allowing E Jean Carroll to amend her defamation suit against trump to reflect hus comments about her at recent CNN town hall.
Source - CNN.
Increased damages a real possibility.
Looks like some republicans are beginning to pull back from trump - including Pence and Barr
I'm no legal eagle but Mr Jonathan Goodman, United States Magistrate Judge, has incorrectly dated the court papers (signed July 13, 2023, bottom of 2nd page). Will they try to use this to throw the case out on a technicality.
Edit - it's the bond papers. Will they use it to pester the "fact witnesses" and claim the bail condition only applies from July 13th?
That "no communication about the facts of the case except through council" is surely just an obvious trap that he will blunder into regardless. It is a set-up even more obvious than the one that Alex Jones fell into, and he still won't be able to resist.
Ox - the document covers bond conditions so, I think, any challenge would be limited to them and would have no impact on the case.
Mr Jonathan Goodman, United States Magistrate Judge, has incorrectly dated the court papers (signed July 13, 2023, bottom of 2nd page). Will they try to use this to throw the case out on a technicality.
I'm not a lawyer either, but the idea that an entire case can be thrown out because of a minor clerical error is just lazy TV scriptwriting stuff.
But it’s a trumpist, Trump appointed judge……
But it’s a trumpist, Trump appointed judge……
Who got schooled by an appeals court populated by conservative judges about her previous ruling regarding Trump. Yes, she can try to tilt things in Trump's favour, but she will need to be much smarter about it than she was last time or it will be rejected on appeal and she'll be booted off the case. On top of that...
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1669033492947116043
So, with no appeal to higher court available
A) the judge can decide a not guilty verdict on her own
B) there is bizarrely not a minimum sentence time for these Florida crimes so she could give Trump zero years in jail if he is found guilty.
And she's had something like 14 days court time experience!
And she’s had something like 14 days court time experience!
What could possibly go wrong?
If Jack Smith thinks the judge is acting unfairly/unreasonably or is showing signs of bias I would anticipate he - or DoJ - will escalate through the court hierarchy.
This is not good. It will give ammo to those courting the knuckle-dragging cretin vote in the US. 🤦
I thought the same - if the enquiry into Biden holding documents at home goes a similar wzmay to Trump, the knuckle draggers will be all fired up
if the enquiry into Biden holding documents at home goes a similar wzmay to Trump,
It won't for the simple reason Biden co operated and gave any back.
It won’t for the simple reason Biden co operated and gave any back.
You know that and I know that, but i think part of it related to him having unsecured documents in places they just shouldn't have been - anything like that will have Trump & Co crowing
It won’t for the simple reason Biden co operated and gave any back.
If the last seven years has taught anyone anything, it is that this is a level of nuance that a depressingly huge number of people either can't understand or won't acknowledge.
There are still morons bleating about Starmer being photographed drinking a beer.
Modern politics is not about intellect or analysis.
I thought the same – if the enquiry into Biden holding documents at home goes a similar wzmay to Trump, the knuckle draggers will be all fired up
The Hunter Biden thing has nothing to do with retention of documents, he didn't pay his taxes and lied on a application for a gun licence. He's pleaded guilty. Republicans will keep trying to make it into more than it is but only MAGA heads will care.
The documents retention thing is also a dead issue. Mike Pence made the same mistake, I suspect it's an easy mistake for cabinet level officials to make. They take mountains of stuff home with them to read, but even very trivial stuff can be classified so they inadvertently end up retaining documents that they should have returned. In both those cases, they fessed up, invited authorities in to search the place, and returned everything. If Trump had done that, he would not have been prosecuted. Again, the MAGA heads won't care, but it's not an issue that will bleed any votes away from Biden.
😬🙄😬 if the many clips I've seen of the fox interview, this has to be one of the dumbest....
MSNBC largely summed up the interview proving Smith's case that he knowingly held on to documents. At least we know Donny's more concerned about his golf shirts than national security.
😁
More bad news for Trump in todays Guardian . A tape of him acknowledging he was waving round a classified document and discussing it with someone without clearance.
“These are the papers,” Trump says in the audio recording, while he’s discussing the Pentagon attack plans, a quote that was not included in the indictment.
“This was done by the military and given to me,” Trump continues, before noting that the document remained classified. “See as president I could have declassified it,” he says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”
The fact that it needs to be a unanimous verdict is going to make it extremely tough 🙁
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65966074
Not sure the world is ready for another trump presidency
These are the papers,” Trump says in the audio recording, while he’s discussing the Pentagon attack plans, a quote that was not included in the indictment.
“This was done by the military and given to me,” Trump continues, before noting that the document remained classified. “See as president I could have declassified it,” he says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”
for anyone else that’s would be quite damning. For trump who lies and bullshits with every breath and does so seemingly without being conscious of that, it’s hard to pin ‘something he said’ on him as evidence.
To trump everything is true at the moment he says it. Nothing he said or did ever happened if he’s asked to recollect it.
He could have been waving his gas bill around and saying it’s the nuclear codes. That’s entirely probably. There’d need to be one further step which would be the person he’s bragging to actually reading the documents and being sure they actually were what Trump said they were.
How can you prove he was being sincere just for that one moment against the evidence of everything else he’s ever said or done?
There’s just as much evidence of him saying there aren’t any documents, that he doesn’t know of any documents, that the documents aren’t classified, that the documents were planted by the FBI.
as prosecutors have to ask jurors to do what his supporters have to do- choose what you want to believe and keep anything he said that contradicts that, before or since, out of your thoughts.
He could have been waving his gas bill around and saying it’s the nuclear codes. That’s entirely probably. There’d need to be one further step which would be the person he’s bragging to actually reading the documents and being sure they actually were what Trump said they were.
The point is that he acknowledged that he hadn't declassified the documents when he was President and knew that an ex-President cannot declassify them. That destroys one of his major defense strategies.
With all those lawyers he must be hemorrhaging money.
How long can he sustain it?
With all those lawyers he must be hemorrhaging money.
How long can he sustain it?
A long time, if you don’t pay them....
Quite a while.
He charges $100,000 a ticket to have dinner at his golf club, when he makes his little orange shit gibbon speaches.
I don't think he is paying for them. It's either going to be from donations from the headbangers that think he is the messiah, or they are working on the promise of money in the future.
The point is that he acknowledged that he hadn’t declassified the documents when he was President and knew that an ex-President cannot declassify them. That destroys one of his major defense strategies.
in every sense except that HE said it - and he says any old shit and then says the opposite 10 minutes later. Him saying something has no bearing on what he knows or believes.
Him saying something has no bearing on what he knows or believes.
No, but it will demonstrate to a jury that he knew what he was doing. One important thing about Trump is that, despite lying shamelessly at nearly every opportunity, he knows to shut up in court and not get caught lying there.
No, but it will demonstrate to a jury that he knew what he was doing.
Wxactly, ist just removing an argument, not thhat its really a legal argument... try challenging a speeding ticket on the basis that you didn't know what the speed limit was, you won't get very far!
Jury selection is a strange and pretty horrendous process tbh, especially in a case where it's really truth and untruth, or just and unjust. The side of justice are desperately trying to exclude completely partisan or unfit jurors while the other side is just trying to sneak them in, there's no equality of position or stake when one side has "our guys" and the other side doesn't really. And in this case, when the case is about proving that a known liar is lying again, having jurors go in with an open mind is basically playing to the defence- the default position isn't an open mind, it's that trump is a liar and a fraud. So it's inherently biased. Being a normal, middle of the road fair minded person is going to look like bias to Trumpeteers.
(I used to think it seemed like a good idea, til I realised how it works with racial differences- for a black defendent there's a whole extra tier of problem jurors that they have to try and exclude, that white folks barely need to worry about. So the prosecution is basically picking and choosing who they want, while you're just desperately trying to exclude the ones you absolutely can't have, and hoping there's not one too many)
oldnpastit
Full MemberWith all those lawyers he must be hemorrhaging money.
How long can he sustain it?
The super pac that's fundraising for his "presidential campaign" diverts 10% of all donations to legal funding. And he's been grifting nonstop in his own fundraising, basically working it so that it's all just donations to donald trump to do with whatever he wants,rather than political donations.
No, but it will demonstrate to a jury that he knew what he was doing. One important thing about Trump is that, despite lying shamelessly at nearly every opportunity, he knows to shut up in court and not get caught lying there.
His lawyers conundrum - they need him not to go on stand as he will at some point do his equivalent of 'you can't handle the truth', but also he needs to explain a lot of his actions. I can only think they're desperately looking for a technical get-out-of-jail (literally!) card to play.
Supreme Court decision just opened the possibility of new charges for the insurrection.
https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1673852864408559616
The odious one's odious children - ivanka, donald jnr & eric - have had nothing to say for some time.
The daughter appears to have dis-associated herself from him; have the sons been told to say nothing as the shit is already deep enough or have they decided it's time to walk away?