And another long term Trump associate has flipped
https://www.ft.com/content/2c23062c-a7ba-11e8-926a-7342fe5e173f
Trump's past was always going to bite him in the arse, no wonder he kept his tax return secret
Paywalled link, but Found it here , oooh that’s gonna feel like a kick in the nuts to trump - Let’s hope he spills his guts about the trump organisation and it’s funding, perhaps we’ll see the orange ****er spending the rest of his life in a grey cell rather than his golden shower palace
Starting to sound like ‘Don’ Trump sounds right.
There’s an interview on Fox when he bangs on about flippers and it’s not fair.
Hes starting to sound a bit gangsta as opposed to a president.
If your innocent they can’t flip it’s pretty simple.
Jonathan Pie nails it again: (swear warning)
Paywalled link,
For the FT and NYT if you create an account you get 10 articles/month for free
But yes, plenty of people trying to get their immunity in quick, who is going to be the last one holding the smoking gun?
Just use Chrome incognito and keep logging in.
Aides have been trying new ways to keep Donny engaged and off Twitter until naptime.
Look at the concentration on his face as he tries to keep it between the lines, that’s a very taxing test for him
Well.he has a bigger test today trying to not make John Mcain passing away about him and delivering a fitting statement about somebody way more qualified for his job than he is.
The Resistable Rise Of Arturo Ui.
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">Well.he</span> has a bigger test today trying to not make John Mcain passing away about him and delivering a fitting statement about somebody way more qualified for his job than he is.
Sadly, he's already failed that test.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1033515425336885248
Here's how another of McCain's political opponents dealt with it.
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1033521851312623616
Re martinhutch’s pic, there’s more to that photo than first appears. Seems Agent Orange is showing his true colours, as he doesn’t appear to know what colours the country of which he’s president actually has.
It’s worth reading the comments following the actual article, proper lol stuff going on.
https://boingboing.net/2018/08/25/president-trump-colors-in-u-s.html
Question is how drawn out will it be? democrats don't want to speak about impeachment as it galvanises the republican/trump voters, and even if the polls show the republicans losing Congress , nothings certain.
Meuller won't indict a sitting presidpre, so Trump's only choice is to win a 2nd term, (Pence has the charisma of a corpse, so it's the only option for the reps)
Will Cohen have enough to bring him down? This article thinks so over Russia https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/trumpworld-is-spinning-out-of-control/
He's got decades of dodgy dealings tho so there's plenty of other options, + Papadopoulos, Flynn etc could still have given Meuller enough already.
I also think impeachment would be a mistake (assuming that we don't see something so truly shocking in terms of collusion) - I think it will feed the "washington swamp" conspiracy narrative that Donald's been pushing, and preparing for by seeking to undermine anyone that could possibly harm him (FBI, DOJ, the press etc). Also - I wonder from a practical perspective how long it will take.
Personally, I'd just like to see the volume and nature of the charges/allegations/investigations get to the point that NOBODY other than his base will support him (including the GOP). I feel like with every new one that comes to light, he loses a demographic of voters. An abortion scandal (extramarital?) would absolutely bury him, and isn't outside the realms of possibility now that his "fixer" is singing like a canary - but I think there's enough low hanging fruit have a big enough cumulative impact at this point. The democrats just need to coordinate so that it all lands according to a schedule designed to absolutely knock him sideways.
But as I said all of this counts for naught unless you give people somebody else they can vote for - otherwise they are just going to vote for Pence.
I feel like the only candidate that could unite the nation is Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson 🙂
I feel like the only candidate that could unite the nation is Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson
Slamming trump into a cell as he takes over.
I do hope it takes down the whole family there, loyalty and all that.
Interestingly you can pick a replacement for McCain his wife is in with a chance, given how disparaging Trump was about John don't think she will vote with him.
I still find myself amazed at his complete inability to string words together into a coherent sentence. Look at this from his rally speech in Ohio last night when he was talking about Ohio <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">congressman Jim Jordan, whose bid to replace House speaker Paul Ryan has been damaged by allegations that he ignored reports of sexual abuse while working as a wrestling coach at Ohio State University.</span>
"Don't ever wrestle him. Even if you're bigger than him don't arrest him. You know people don't know this about Jim. He was one of the best wrestlers ever in college wrestler.
"And when you see the way he fights every time I watch I said in my wife I said, look at that guy. That is tough. He lost one match in three years of college. One match you lost and you had to see what happened to the guy that beat him. He was not in good shape that night."
My kids were talking more coherently than that when they were 4 years old.
Yep, I always think he sounds like there is a complete conversational narrative going on in his head, but he only remembers to speak parts of it out loud.
It's like overhearing fragments of someone else's phone call when they are in bad reception.
Don't think he'll be impeached, the sensible thing would be to stand down next election- so that can be ruled out. I wonder who'll stand against him?
The whole thing will probably depend on how bad the muller findings are, if there is illegal activity it will be hard work for him. They can easily not select him as you would expect everything to be dropped then.
Has he gone yet? No? Ok, wake me up when the nightmare is over.
trump has been googling himself and not liking the results 🙂
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1034456273306243076
He’d better not try googling ‘trump is a’
Ironically now if you google trump news it's got a lot of reports about that tweet...
Has he gone yet? No? Ok, wake me up when the nightmare is over.
This is is my primary reason for checking back to this thread.
I’m waiting for the firings, it can’t be long before something triggers Trump and he’ll try and fire everyone involved with the Mueller investigation.
I reckon there’ll be a mad moment in this when something strange will happen maybe people will refuse to stand down after being fired and there’s an FBI versus president stand off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
Step 1.
Fire Rod Rosenstein or Jess Sessions and make his successor fire Muller
Step 2 When that doesn't work fire them all till you get somebody who will
What worries me the most these days is the fact that Trump likes a good distraction when times are troubling for him.......What's he got in mind this time?
How are we doing on the Little Rocket Man? Rockets gone yet?
Oh yeah that one went well
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/28/17790546/north-korea-trump-pompeo-letter-trip
I reckon the investigation will show some collusion but that it won't be deemed illegal (I thought I read somewhere it was only illegal if deemed a contribution to the campaign and it's not been tested yet whether provision of information on an opposing candidate falls under that). So he'll survive and carry on ****ing things up whilst his deluded supporters keep turning a blind eye.
"I reckon there’ll be a mad moment in this when something strange will happen maybe people will refuse to stand down after being fired and there’s an FBI versus president stand off."
Dwayne Johnson to play the lead fbi agent, busting down the door? Jason Statham as Trump?
I reckon the investigation will show some collusion
Given all the charges that Cohen and Manafort (and all the others) have already been found guilty of, at the very least you have to wonder what will happen to his children.
at the very least you have to wonder what will happen to his children.
I think he has a fleet of busses ready to throw them under.
When old trumpy campaigned about “a wall” he meant it metaphorically didn’t he.
Didnt he?
Becuase he’s certainly building some sort of fortress around himself..
In preparation for something big, no doubt..
When old trumpy campaigned about “a wall” he meant it metaphorically didn’t he.
I dunno, the only way I can see him getting out of this completely unscathed is if construction starts around 1600 Pennsylvania Ave ASAP. Maybe with a moat and drawbridge. And ramparts.
And now appealing to the evangelicals!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45340275
Just wow.
Yep turnout is a massive threat to them at the moment, As proved it's easier to motivate people to vote against something than for it and at the moment he has pissed off a lot of people and that is before Manefort gets his trial before the election
at the very least you have to wonder what will happen to his children.
The Donald J Trump foundation; trump & his children -Eric, Jr & Ivanka are all being investigated by the New York state for "persistent illegal conduct"
they are looking into multiple offences over decades, its bad for Trump because he cant just fire all the DAs in new york the way he could in theory fire Meuller or even sessions also he cant pardon people for state crimes,
the question is will they flip on their own dad, the way every other friend & associate seems to have?
Remember, blood is thicker than water. You don't roll over on blood.
Remember, blood is thicker than water.
Unfortunately... that phrase means the exact opposite of what most people think it does
Its a contraction of “The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." and means that bonds built in battle or adversity are stronger than mere family ties.
Thanks for the explanation maccruiskeen, very interesting. Amazing how many people, including me, think that it's the other way round.
Remember, blood is thicker than water. You don’t roll over on blood.
Faced with you in prison or your dad who got you into it all?
I'd only ever expect to see a full on every man woman and child for themselves you can expect from a bunch of estate agents.
Indeed, I never knew the origin of the saying, so thank you.
I'm not too sure that his family would roll over, but the people that married into it might.
this is some interesting analysis for the mid-terms....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45013748
but I wouldn't bet a dollar on it being an accurate prediction.
Indeed, I never knew the origin of the saying, so thank you.
theres one or two sayings like that where the meaning or use has somehow reversed over the years. "A watched pot never boils" being another one. Somehow the word "over" has fallen off the end and flipped the intended meaning.
Also see "Would" and, errr, "Wouldn't"
🙂
Some more analysis here
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/
Some good reads and listens too
Theres one or two sayings like that where the meaning or use has somehow reversed over the years.
'Charity begins at home' being another. 'But doesn't end there' is the end of the full saying.
I’m not too sure that his family would roll over.
the thought of even just a year in ADX Florence is probably enough to loosen the tongue 😉
Faced with you in prison or your dad who got you into it all?
I would also say it depends on how much they take after him. Since whilst I am not sure they would flip on him I am certain he would on them.
another one bites the dust
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/29/don-mcgahn-resign-trump-white-house-counsel
For someone who only hires "the best people" he sure goes through a lot of them.
I think that sums up which side he is on there!! Not a fan of his boss or just working out how late he is going to have to stay to sort that one out.
Any good news folks?
Yes, all the above.
More leaving, more flipping, more evidence collected.
Plenty of good news, lets see how the polls turn over the next month.
Who wants to buy a tabloid?
He is starting a war with the WTO now, he must be really desperate to distract.
Also an extra destabilization of post brexit Britain's trade fantasy.
Just the first of the mentally inadequate to issue threats but have a browse on twitter and there appears to be an alarming amount of gun-toting nut jobs all to willing to raise arms to protect their leader.
sad...so sad
I am no Nostradamus but I did predict something like this or worse would happen a few pages back.
I just caught by accident part of John mcains funeral service, Obamas eulogy was quite moving and quite contrasting to the attitude of the Donald.
I wonder why they didn't invite the Donald to the funeral? Bush and Clinton were there...
Alledgedly Don McGahn didn’t resign thou ,must be weird getting the sack via tweet.
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I wonder why they didn’t invite the Donald to the funeral?
MCain specifically barred him from coming didn't want him there
Yeh I know . . It was a sarcastic rhetorical question 🙂
Telling article in the Daily Intelligencer on what a snob dTrump actually is. He loathes and detests his supporters, but needs their support and adoration.
There’s a really good comment in the comments section, pretty much says everything about dTrump that needs saying, I certainly couldn’t have put it better myself:
Trump has never been a populist, and he should not be labelled as one. Trump is first and always a Trumpist. One of many reasons Trump hates Obama is that Obama has a genuine earned Ivy League pedigree, including being voted head of the Harvard Law Review by his fellow students. Hillary graduated from Yale. Trump fears anyone who might know more about a subject than he does. It’s hard to maintain a fantasy of being a genius when you have no idea what people are talking about on any of the subjects a President must deal with daily. He hired incompetents for his Cabinet so he wouldn’t feel threatened by them; Giuliani is an asset to Trump onlly in that he is so loony, he sometimes make Trump seem almost reasonable.Trump’s presidency is, for him, not about service to the country, but about making himself feel powerful and important and admired. Thus the repeated rallies, stoking hostility toward “them” (that is, anyone who sees Trump for the fraud he really is). The obsession with crowd size, the craving for a parade, etc. You can’t go wrong figuring out Trump if you remember, whatever the topic, it is always about him. Having got himself into a job for which he lacks all inecessary skills, he is too brittle a personality to admit a mistake and resign. He’s a miserable, hateful, transparent imposter. A good con man would know when it’s time to drop the game and move on down the road.
Listening and watching this reminded me what we are missing. What a true leader sounds like and how they respect those of opposing views.
Of course at this point I should respect Trump in a similar manner but I'm not half the man Obama is. I hope Trump dies soon. I don't don't care how; we just need rid.
It's going to be a long time before I hear an American voice and don't think there is a fair to middling chance it's owner considered Trump a suitable candidate for leader of their nation and wish them ill.
It’s going to be a long time before I hear an American voice
Just remember out of those who voted the orange numpty didnt manage a majority. So its always going to be a minority that they voted for the idiot. Admittedly out of the yanks I work with I am happy all of them are clear that they aint happy about the muppet.
Sadly though I suspect the fact he was excluded for being a ****er will be spun into the thats the problem with the "deep state" or some other nutty conspiracy theory.
Alledgedly Don McGahn didn’t resign thou ,must be weird getting the sack via tweet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/29/us/politics/don-mcgahn-white-house-counsel-trump.html
Does look like he was planning to go anyway so not as bad.
It's lunch time over there. He must be gone by now!
don’t think there is a fair to middling chance it’s owner considered Trump a suitable candidate for leader of their nation
Always remember that their option was Hilary. Their choice was between almost certainly being shafted and probably being shafted. It wasn't a great choice really 🙁
Just been listening to Eddie Mair on LBC interviewing someone about Bob Woodwards book (fear) about the Trump Presidency and it sounds like a cracking read, here's a few excerpts below
White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly frequently lost his temper and told colleagues that he thought the president was “unhinged,” Woodward writes. In one small group meeting, Kelly said of Trump: “He’s an idiot. It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had.”
A near-constant subject of withering presidential attacks was Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Trump told Porter that Sessions was a “traitor” for recusing himself from overseeing the Russia investigation, Woodward writes. Mocking Sessions’s accent, Trump added, “This guy is mentally retarded. He’s this dumb Southerner. … He couldn’t even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.”
When Cohn met with Trump to deliver his resignation letter after Charlottesville, the president told him, “This is treason,” and persuaded his economic adviser to stay on. Kelly then confided to Cohn that he shared Cohn’s horror at Trump’s handling of the tragedy — and shared Cohn’s fury with Trump. “I would have taken that resignation letter and shoved it up his ass six different times,” Kelly told Cohn, according to Woodward. Kelly himself has threatened to quit several times, but has not done so.
The book vividly recounts the ongoing debate between Trump and his lawyers about whether the president would sit for an interview with Mueller. On March 5, Dowd and Trump attorney Jay Sekulow met in Mueller’s office with the special counsel and his deputy, James Quarles, where Dowd and Sekulow reenacted Trump’s January practice session. Dowd then explained to Mueller and Quarles why he was trying to keep the president from testifying: “I’m not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, ‘I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?’
“John, I understand,” Mueller replied, according to Woodward.
Later that month, Dowd told Trump: “Don’t testify. It’s either that or an orange jumpsuit.”
But Trump, concerned about the optics of a president refusing to testify and convinced that he could handle Mueller’s questions, had by then decided otherwise.
“I’ll be a real good witness,” Trump told Dowd, according to Woodward.
“You are not a good witness,” Dowd replied. “Mr. President, I’m afraid I just can’t help you.”
The next morning, Dowd resigned.
I can't wait for the tweets from the orange bawbag, he's gonna go off on one like a 6ft catherine wheel doused in petrol.
So the main reason to work for Trump is just to see how bad the shit show has got in there?
If it wasn't for being tarnished by association it would almost be worth a go, you know just how well can you dig him out of stuff, how much can you expand your legal knowledge etc.
it would almost be worth a go
At the rate of turn over it’ll be like jury service, we’ll all have to have a go.
Mocking Sessions’s accent, Trump added, “This guy is mentally retarded. He’s this dumb Southerner. …
I wonder if large swathes of his 'base' will eventually twig the level of pure contempt 'their' president has for them. I doubt it, but you never know.
Be interesting to see what happens after latest book, Trump hated Tilerson after the Moron comments leaked
Sessions & Trump already have a poisonous relationship, so much not different
Kelly surely can't last, Trump's gonna be furious with him after
<h2 class="story-body__crosshead">We're in Crazytown. I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had</h2>
Chief of Staff Kelly repeatedly calls Mr Trump an "idiot" and said that "it's pointless to try to convince him of anything
What happens with Dowd could be important, if Trump lays into him the likelihood of him helping Meuller further increases
& That's thin-skinned Donny's problem, he's gonna react & it just increases the likelihood of his ex-employees flipping on him the way everyone else has
And the backlash against the Woodward book has started
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037302649199177728
This latest story about a GOP whitehouse insider thwarting Trumps crazier plans is rather weird
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/05/donald-trump-oped-white-house-resistance
as is Trumps response
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1037453450949390336
& the whitehouse have just confirmed it by asking the to resign?
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1037454552436498432
tbh it all seems too improbable to be true
tbh it all seems too improbable to be true
I cant see the NY Times publishing something that liable to damage them without being really, really confident.
Also wouldnt surprise me that hardcore republicans (or democrats/tories/labour/any random political party. okay labour is a bit unusual in that it seems some hate Corbyn so much they wouldnt be able to take that approach. That or dont believe they would win) would be pushing the bits which suit them whilst trying to block the stuff which doesnt. Remember his key value to the republicans is to be able to load the Supreme Court (plus lower ones) with hard right wing judges in order to ensure even when the tide turns they will still have major influence.
So whilst I wouldnt take some of the claims in that article overly seriously I can easily believe plenty of those in positions of power arent overly happy he is in charge and will be trying to check any of his random impulses which dont suit their particular ideology.