Crossed post, I meant the ones about him/his cronies getting shafted
Trump is at one of his KKK style recruitment rallies at the moment
hes gonna give himself an embolism ranting tonight!
5 of his campaign staff have now pled guilty & 1 found guilty & looking at 80 years!
& Cohen has said that he was told to violate campaign finance laws by............
is it the fat lady people can hear singing?
Crossed post, I meant the ones about him/his cronies getting shafted
I'm not into those kind of vulgar songs 🙂
apparently implicating Trump has reduced Cohen's prison time from 12 to 5 years
is it the fat lady people can hear singing?
Boy, can she belt out a tune!
Thought she died?
Rustling up a settlement to shut her up as we speak
so far today (only 7pm USA timme too) Cohen flips, Manafort found guilty, Russian oligarch case against Steele case thrown out
also of note that the 2nd republican congressman to endorse Trump back in 2015 has just been charged with ..... campaign fraud (the 1st one got done for insider trading 2 weeks ago)
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/duncan-hunter-campaign-charges/index.html
the midterms are not going to be good for the republicans
the midterms are not going to be good for the republicans
Dont bet on it. There has been two years of people shouting fake news and don’t trust the FBI. In order to prepare for this moment the republicans have sowed such high levels of distrust their core votes won’t be swayed.
it would be really smart if it wasn’t horrific...
just look at Boris and the Bannon playbook.. If he plays it right he might still win elections...
I'm currently working in the states, the general opinion here (even amoung his detractors) is that he'll be a two-term president, as long as he can stay out of prison that long.
His core voters are dumb ****s who would believe the world was flat if trump declared it so, unless the democrats can muster up a decent candidate I fear he’ll get re-elected.
His core voters are dumb **** who would believe the world was flat if trump declared it so, unless the democrats can muster up a decent candidate I fear he’ll get re-elected.
Democrats will not have any credible candidates that can (or willing to) compete head on with President Trump in the Presidency election. None. It will be foolish to do so.
Democrats only hope is to wish for a candidate that is good enough to compete after President Trump's two-term presidency. Even that depends on people willingness to give up what they have gained from President Trump's policy.
I’m currently working in the states, the general opinion here (even amoung his detractors) is that he’ll be a two-term president, as long as he can stay out of prison that long.
It it is not a presidency based on competence or results. It is based on sound bites and media manipulation. If he can “create” an enemy - China, Turkey, Iran people will accept a drop in lifestyle and benefits to “beat” them. Patriotism and all that... if he can invade somewhere even better...
It it is not a presidency based on competence or results. It is based on sound bites and media manipulation. If he can “create” an enemy – China, Turkey, Iran people will accept a drop in lifestyle and benefits to “beat” them. Patriotism and all that… if he can invade somewhere even better…
He is a businessman unlike previous Presidents so I doubt he will initiate any full scale war.
He is a businessman unlike previous Presidents so I doubt He understands how international politics works.
you need to remember he is an international businessman who doesn’t understand how time zones work...
I still think (or hope) a small % of the people that voted for him, because they figured lets see what happens, not the hardcore, or those that voted for the minor candidates will switch. I also think there must be enough people out there that weren't really into politics and didn't vote the last time that must be disgusted with him and prepared to vote this time. Again, hopefully! Really, if you can vote and don't this time, there's something wrong with you.
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“Trump says he would campaign more but is held back by the Secret Service, because there are so many Secret Service agents. He says he might make "a few trips without them." (.............)”
Oh please do, leave them at home next time you play golf at turnberry, I used to be a decent shot with my Barnett Diablo slingshot as a kid, despite that being 30 odd years ago I’m pretty confident I could still place a 8mm BB shot smack bang in the middle of your forehead from the dunes near the 4th tee
“Trump says he would campaign more but is held back by the Secret Service, because there are so many Secret Service agents. He says he might make “a few trips without them.” (………….)”
Well you dn't want secret service witnesses tagging along when you are holding secret meetings with your Russian masters.
Trump says he would campaign more...
what is he campaigning for? Aren’t there rules about when you can/can’t campaign for election? Shouldn’t he make a little time for his current job, you know, the one he campaigned to do last time?
Even that depends on people willingness to give up what they have gained from President Trump’s policy.
Yeah coz that wall he built is amazing, trumpcare is fabulous & his tax cuts for millionaires have really helped the poorest !
It's only been a year and a half, Meuller has taken down his lawyer (claiming trump told him to break campaign finance law), his campaign manager (dodging tax on money from Russian agents)
,5 members of his campaign team now guilty Trump IS the swamp & he brought it to Washington with him.
his son & son-in-law will be next.
Republicans already know they will lose Congress, now starting to worry about the senate, which is why trump is desperately flying around & holding rallies
The potential for impeachment is now increased
Trump can also now be called as a witness by Stormy Daniels lawyer in her claim he broke their non-disclosure deal 😂
His core voters are dumb **** who would believe the world was flat if trump declared it so, unless the democrats can muster up a decent candidate I fear he’ll get re-elected.
He lost the popular vote, his electoral collage win was by a margin of less than a million (in some states the number who voted independent) it was also a low turnout for Democrats in that election. So he can't afford to lose a single vote to be reelected A 1% swing in places would have lost it for him. In recent elections in there has been a 7-10% swing to Democrats.
One of the major groups who are having trouble sticking with him is white educated women who were happy voting republican but.not.for him.
As.for campaigns this is about making money nothing more.
his son & son-in-law will be next.
I'm puzzled why Jared Kushner hasn't had some sort of arrest already really. He lied on his disclosure form and "forgot" 100 foreign contacts he'd had which is apparently a felony. Maybe they're waiting for his father in law to leave the white house first.
One thing about Trump being arrested/accepting a plea to resign rather than face jail/go to jail/whatever is that the world ends up with Pence as president. Not sure that's much better, if at all.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, Trump isn’t going anywhere soon. When he does go expect quite a backlash from his base support.
I am expecting some some kind of shooting of news teams at an event.
How the The he’ll have we arrived at this point. Just desperate.
Agreed. While this is an uplifting moment, Trump has sowed so much anger at the fictitious 'deep state' and the federal government in general among his base in a bid to save his own skin, that we can expect domestic terrorism of the type we saw in Oklahoma City if he finally gets turfed out or resigns.
For the tide at the moment
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/
Before Nov 6th more trials, more findings and probably more revelations.
One thing about Trump being arrested/accepting a plea to resign rather than face jail/go to jail/whatever is that the world ends up with Pence as president. Not sure that’s much better, if at all.
What would the mechanism be if electoral fraud / foreign interference are the reason trump gets the boot? The circumstances and actions that elected trump also elected Pence. Do we have to pretend that Trumps running mate had no idea what was happening?
He’s very quiet in all this 🙂
Mechanism is either lose the election or nomination in 2020, after that it's impeachment in which case you start doing deals as to who steps in. Resignation is the wild card.
Agnew resigned as part of a plea to avoid jail. It's entirely possible that Trump would do the same as the charges aren't that he helped rig the election.
Now, if the Mueller enquiry has evidence of collusion involving the campaign at a high level then I would imagine all bets are off and the supreme court would have some sort of say in whether there had to be an interim government. Impeachment may be hard given it requires a 2/3rds majority in the senate which needs a big win for the democrats in November or a lot of Republicans to decide they want to stand against their party leadership.
or a lot of Republicans to decide they want to stand against their party leadership.
Or the leadership to choose to ditch trum as a can't win/hindrance to them
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<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">As.for</span> campaigns this is about making money nothing more
Yep the democrats are out-fundraising the reps by a big margin at the moment & it's got a lot of republican candidates worried that it's suddenly become so hard to raise cash.
IF the Dems win Congress then they can start proceedings to look at impeachment, should Meuller have the goods, if manafort & Cohen offer more juice on Trump to reduce their sentences (mannaforts crimes so serious his only hope is a pardon really- but that opens trump even more to obstruction charges) then trump's in trouble as even the reps will have to start thinking about impeaching trump
The swamp is finally being drained!
mannaforts crimes so serious his only hope is a pardon really
If only he knew someone who could do that for him....
It sounds like a cunning cunning trap to let Trump pardon him
Part of me hopes that this whole affair just builds and builds and builds, to the point that its turns into a (wolf of wall st reference) 'Grenada' for Mueller et al, and it makes history as the biggest slam dunk ever, and is used as an example in text books for centuries as a 'whatever you do, don't do this, this is the worst thing you can do' type example.
My only worry is the damage that will be done in the build up.
One thing about Trump being arrested/accepting a plea to resign rather than face jail/go to jail/whatever is that the world ends up with Pence as president. Not sure that’s much better, if at all.
Especially when you consider that the man who 'contributed barely anything to Trump's campaign', one P. Manafort, was instrumental in getting Pence chosen as running mate by Trump.
Perhaps for tactical reasons to get the God bothering vote out, perhaps because he's a vacant, gullible, pliable fool who won't get in the way of swamp-filling activities should he become POTUS.
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412
Apparently impeachment is only a convention, a president can be indicted.
Apparently impeachment is only a convention, a president can be indicted.
DOJ has issues with inditing a sitting president, it's not been done before but it will probably end up in the Supreme court if the Houses don't want rid of him forst
But Cohen's personal lawyer said his client was ready to "tell everything about Donald Trump that he knows".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45270339
I'm sure even Muller doesn't want to know "everything"
Cohen apparently has already spoken to Meuller re collusion
Also new allegations about Manafort taking money from Russians already indicted by Meuller
Cohen has now said he wouldn’t accept a pardon from the “criminal” Trump. How long until he cops a plea bargain and leaves the US presidency? I don’t imagine he is dumb enough to ride this into a jail cell.
I don’t imagine he is dumb enough to ride this into a jail cell.
Not on purpose, anyway.
Has someone hacked his account? Thats a reasonably well constructed sentence without and FAILING capitals. SAD!
Surely someone has a still from a Stormy Daniels movie to add to this meme? 🙂
seth abramson predicted this 6 months ago, now hes even more certain
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1032167136788140037
Wonder if hes going for the shortest time served by a president who didn't die on the job? brightest star burns for the shortest time etc
how long before we get the "of course I conluded" tweet with the ex aequo et bono defence 🙂
Agreed. While this is an uplifting moment, Trump has sowed so much anger at the fictitious ‘deep state’ and the federal government in general among his base in a bid to save his own skin, that we can expect domestic terrorism of the type we saw in Oklahoma City if he finally gets turfed out or resigns.
And again the very people that fear terrorism the most will be the ones doing it, where's my Alanis album...
how long before we get the “of course I colluded” tweet
Didn't he already post that one?
Didn’t he already post that one?
Think so, he definitely said it wasn't illegal. Which is good enough for me
Question is can Mannafort hold out until after the midterms when, assuming Meuller has wrapped up, Trump can pardon him safely?
If Cohen or others have given Meuller the goods on the trump tower Russian meetings, will Don jr & kushner be indicated soon too ?
Cohen also implicated others in trump organisation that handle his property dealings, there's some very shady stuff there for Trump, including in Russia.
It all hangs on the midterms, before impeachment could start
Has he got the Plans drawn up for that wall yet ?
😜🔥🔥🔥🔥
its all ok, he have pleaded guilty to things which is not illegal, and Obama broke the law.
DOJ has issues with inditing a sitting president, it’s not been done before but it will probably end up in the Supreme court
Well considering trump jump appointed a new supreme court judge that believes a sitting president can do no wrong and should never be indited doesn’t look like it will happen...
There are two ways out of this, either Trump voluntarily cooperates and ultimately resigns, or the GOP throw him under a bus. Even if the mid terms go as expected, The Senate has ultimate day over impeachment proceedings.
There is also growing concern that the mid-term elections will be subject to foreign interference.
or the GOP throw him under a bus
The GOP and most the American business community have proven to be nothing but a bunch of snivelling toads, I don't expect that to change. The few who tried to act with honour have been forced out.
The GOP and most the American business community have proven to be nothing but a bunch of snivelling toads, I don’t expect that to change.
I would expect their sense of self preservation to kick in soon enough if he heads south (I don't mean getting more racist by that) they are having issues with candidates either trying not to be too trumpy or being very trumpy.
It will be telling who gets in. That is what will shape what comes next, if trump gets toxic to being on the gravy train.
Of course he was aware.
trump is clearly not one for ethics or rules. Not once if he was offered any dirt/leverage/advantage would he ever have said no, and most importantly he is too stupid to have distanced himself appropriately
DOJ has issues with inditing a sitting president
This is is the critical piece for me.
the POTUS is an almost pope/deity like position for the Americans. The sanctity of that role is huge to them. As far as I know, and I’m more than happy to be corrected, but no POTUS has been forcibly removed from power. Nixon is the only one to ever resign.
americans pretty much can’t deal with the POTUS being fallible. Remove one, and the whole integrity of that position is dented forever. Americans know that.
they have to try and convince him behind the scenes to step down. However I don’t think his ego will allow him to do that.
The next few weeks and months are certainly going to be interesting!
As we've said before, somebody like Trump, in his line of business, MUST have so many skeletons in his closet. Whats protected him in the past was that there was no motivation to go after him - particularly given his litigious nature. In becoming such a contentious president he's motivated armies of people to dig around in his past and uncover all the shady shit he's been up to over the years.
I think that realistically they are looking at tying him up until 2020 so he can't do too much harm - it will be interesting to see at what point the GOP cuts him loose.
I'm guessing that whenever he leaves the presidency the floodgates of civil suits and criminal charges are going to open.
Interesting to see the different approaches of Cohen and Manafort. Manafort is standing by his man, and obviously banking on a presidential pardon (although I suspect he will simply be re-arrested for something else). Cohen has obviously seen the writing on the wall and completely switched teams...... maybe an indication of recent progress in the investigation.
americans pretty much can’t deal with the POTUS being fallible. Remove one, and the whole integrity of that position is dented forever. Americans know that.
Fail to remove over one and lose the political system as they know it.
I predict no change. He’s successfully painted the FBI,CIA, DOJ and about every other government organisation as biased and corrupt. And his voter base believes him.
And his voter base believes him
Agreed. But his "base" will support him whatever he does - its a complete waste of time and effort trying to engage with them, and it's pinning the level of discourse to the floor. This thread is a great example of a tiny minority of one or two individuals disproportionately influencing the debate.
Fortunately, I don't think his base is big enough in itself to win re-election - he needs sufficient support from republican/independent voters, and/or democrat voters to stay away.
The question is whether he will be able to get sufficient votes outside of his base, and whether the democrats will field a candidate that 100% of democrats (and enough moderate republicans/undecideds) can get behind.
I'm predicting a pre-election mega-flounce, which will result in Pence running as the republican candidate. He's keeping his powder dry for something....
The question is whether he will be able to get sufficient votes outside of his base, and whether the democrats will field a candidate that 100% of democrats (and enough moderate republicans/undecideds) can get behind.
Completely agree with this. I thought the nomination of Clinton at the time to be spectacularly ill advised.
The mid-terms will certainly be interesting, should give a good idea of how big his deluded supporter base actually is. Can't see the GOP doing anything, they'd still rather be in power with Trump as President than not be in power.
Fingers-crossed most Americans come to their senses and give him a kicking in the mid-terms and that's enough for the GOP to start turning against him. Sadly I think it's unlikely though.
Regarding the whole "infallible POTUS" thing: does anyone know how that compares to the UK?
It seems that an American president (as in "any", not specifically Trump) could be clearly guilty of a crime but be untouchable while in office.
What would we do in the UK if our PM was found to be acting illegally? I expect they'd resign or face a vote of no confidence, but do we have the same assumed protection from prosecution?
What would we do in the UK if our PM was found to be acting illegally? I
It’s not really a like for like comparison. The pm isn’t directly elected and doesn’t perform the same role as president.
A president is more of a directly elected short term monarch- all be it with a few more executive powers than our monarch now has (the power to have ships, hospitals and by-passes named after you and eat swans)
in fairly recent history a monarch has been strongly encouraged to abdicate - but they did the abdicating. I don’t know if we can depose a monarch against their will
I don’t know if you can depose a monarch against their will
I believe it's been done... 🙂
Basically Nixon or Clinton
Nixon was backed so far into a corner the only way out was resign but with the sweetener of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon
Full pardon
They took Clinton down the impeachment route but the numbers didn't go for them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#Senate_votes
IMHO there’s no way Trumps going to be a two term president under the amount of pressure that’s building up on him.
Unless he can make it all go away he’s going to be broken by it.
Well tactics seem to be short lived
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45285585
<p class="story-body__introduction">US President Donald Trump has responded to speculation that he might be impeached by warning that any such move would damage the economy.</p>
"If I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash," he said in an interview with Fox & Friends.
It might crash but recovery would also happen if it's done right, many will see it as a relief.
But sack me and I'll take you all down with me is certainly heading into a corner from a strategy point of view.
Meanwhile this is how you have a real battle for the top job
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the POTUS is an almost pope/deity like position for the Americans. The sanctity of that role is huge to them.
Except for all everyone that hated Black Obama, denied he was american, believed he was a muslim atheist and want to undo everything he ever touched.
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Another of trump's (ex) chums has flipped on him.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/aug/23/david-pecker-donald-trump-michael-cohen-immunity
We've not even got to the Russia stuff yet & everyone's already turned on him
and one of the incumbent republicans just got spending his campaign funds on himself - apparently the quote from the wife is
"If you buy golf shorts from there we can claim it's golf balls for injured veterans"
Classy
Good job Law Enforcement is draining the swamp
If I may, briefly...
I don’t know if you can depose a monarch against their will
I believe it’s been done…
The actual stroke delivered by a ‘same surname’ member of the family tree - an ancestor of mine, or so I read.
Today, ‘Mr Whackit’, perhaps. 😲🤠
As you were...
Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis, has given a series of cable-news interviews intimating that Cohen has valuable and damaging information on Trump to share with Mueller—including the claim that Trump had foreknowledge of Russia’s hacking of Clinton’s e-mails.
One source close to Cohen told me Cohen wants to tell Mueller that Trump discussed the release of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s e-mails during the weekend when the Access Hollywood "grab ’em by the pussy” tape dominated the news cycle.
But no collusion.
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and one of the incumbent republicans just got spending his campaign funds on himself – apparently the quote from the wife is
“If you buy golf shorts from there we can claim it’s golf balls for injured veterans”"
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Hah, and just as an aside- every time you hear Trump talking about US defence spending, remember what that actually includes and doesn't- so much of it is about accounting. Usually I use the example of the VA students we have learning how to make beer, which I think is a great use of $100000 military funds really, But now we can use golf balls for Duncan Hunter too.