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ninfan
I think you need to re-read those headlines and the analysis of the stuff Trump leaked today and then explain to the class where you went wrong

I'm confused, I though that Donald hadn't paid any income tax for eighteen years

Do those headlines say that, snowflake? I think they say "could of", pretty sure someone on here was quibbling about the use of "called for" or something like that so we now know headlines mean whatever we want.

Why do you engage with him ? Its obvious to you what he is doing - he simply wants a reaction* and you keep feeding it

* Logic or consistency or even believing what he says are not even considerations in his one man quest to annoy "snowflakes"

I bet he is on the DM website trying to annoy Right wingers- he just likes to get a reaction and he will type anythign to get it

I think they say "could of", pretty sure someone on here was quibbling about the use of "called for" or something like that

Oh my word, well done, finally - there goes the cognitive dissonance bomb, as the lefties realise that they can't dismiss one without wrecking their own arguments for rejecting the other 😆

kimbers - Member

ninfan
I think you need to re-read those headlines and the analysis of the stuff Trump leaked today and then explain to the class where you went wrong

To fair ninfan did say [i]"I'm confused"[/i], so perhaps some polite explaining and a bit less of the sarcasm would be in order.

At least he was honest enough to admit not fully understanding the issue.

The leaked copy seemed to say 'client copy' on it. Surely he wouldn't have leaked it himself to distract from the FBI Russia news?

To fair ninfan did say "I'm confused", so perhaps some polite explaining and a bit less of the sarcasm would be in order.

Neither of these option will illicit an increase in expressed understanding.

What Junkyard said really.

Well we know he did pay some tax, once many years ago.

He also registered a huge loss, which could simply be a vehicle for shifting funds he 'owes' to other 'companies' that he may or may not have an interest in to avoid much much more tax.

Without wider context the leak to me seems like him throwing a very transparent bone.

It's (the presidency) all starting to look like a juggling act on the verge of disaster. Someone in the front row is going to get a knife or chainsaw in their lap and it will turn messy.

It's (the presidency) all starting to look like a juggling act on the verge of disaster. Someone in the front row is going to get a knife or chainsaw in their lap and it will turn messy.

Any other predictions you'd like to make while you have the chance? We could see how you do?

Geert Wilders isn't going to win the Dutch elections perhaps?
Le Pen going to lose the French one?

'Starting' to look like? Starting?? 😆

I think you need to re-read those headlines and the analysis of the stuff Trump leaked today and then explain to the class where you went wrong

Again...

"I think they say "could of", pretty sure someone on here was quibbling about the use of "called for" or something like that so we now know headlines mean whatever we want."

Only in your head.

I'd quibble about "could of" because all the headlines correctly state "could have" 🙄

As expected a simple man with questionable mental health and no political experience isnt doing a good job at being president. Who would have thought it?

Are you entirely sure "simple" is the word you were looking for?

Geert Wilders isn't going to win the Dutch elections perhaps?

Looks that way. Which is nice.

"I'd quibble about "could of" because all the headlines correctly state "could have""

I let that pass, I think the poster's issues with English comprehension are slightly more fundamental than a slight grammatically embarrassing misquote. 🙂

Meanwhile, it turns out that Defence Secretary Mattis acknowledges that climate change exists and is a destabilising global force, and that it requires a response from the US government. That wouldn't usually be news- it's blindingly obvious, the Pentagon have said as much for at least a decade- but in this administration, well...

“As I noted above, climate change is a challenge that requires a broader, whole-of government response. “If confirmed, I will ensure that the Department of Defence plays its appropriate role within such a response by addressing national security aspects.”

I'm taking that to mean he's planning to invade the EPA and institute regime change.

And the point as made earlier on that return Trump paid the amount of tax that a law made him, this is a law he wants to get rid of. It would mean that he would have paid a fraction of that amount of tax and a lower rate than most working people.

According to the CBO, 64-year olds making $26,500 per year would see their premiums increase by an estimated 750 percent by 2026. While they are on track to pay $1,700 under the current law, the CBO projects the American Health Care Act would force them to pay $14,600. Even if you grant that inflation will allow them to make slightly more money by 2026, that's still about half of their income going to health care.

ouch....

the CBO report it's taken from

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And the point as made earlier on that return Trump paid the amount of tax that a law made him, this is a law he wants to get rid of. It would mean that he would have paid a fraction of that amount of tax and a lower rate than most working people.

Well, no, because if the previous story was true, that Trump wrote off enough in losses that he [u]could have[/u] avoided having to pay federal income tax for years and years, then the only possible conclusion is that in 2005 Trump paid [b]more[/b] tax than the law made him.

Which is where your chronology falls down, either you have to accept that he paid more than he had to in 2005 or accept that the other story about him was #fakenews

Lefties, digging their own hole since 1917 😉

There is one way to avoid all this confusion isn't there ninfan. He could be open and transparent like every other president. Until then we can only assume he has a lot to hide. That was your Clinton email line wasn't it?

yes he said anything to press your buttons ; he is still doing it and you are still feeding him
WHY?

Because I'm sat waiting at an airport and blowing gaping holes in bad logic passes the time....

If I were to block only one poster it would be Mike - not because I find what he says particularly obnoxious, just because that would get rid of ninfan and chewy at the same time.

Well, the American people will 'never not know' y'all. To paraphrase the double negative quoted by his administration.

Classic sign of a liar or someone with hidden motivation. Choosing to miss direct rather that openly directly answer questions, that's another sign.

Looks that way. Which is nice.

If I were to block only one poster it would be Mike - not because I find what he says particularly obnoxious, just because that would get rid of ninfan and chewy at the same time.

Oh come on, ninfan is an absolute gift to all those who relish right-wingers making fools of themselves. Although unlike Chewwy, for example, ninfan combines making a fool of himself with being spectacularly obnoxious. What's not to like?

[quote=slowoldman ]Yep, ninfan called that one right! Well done Holland.

Though given the context it appears ninfan was actually predicting the opposite. Why don't we wait to see what he claims he was predicting and we'll know the opposite is true.

Cheers Dr J....
The unfortunate elephant in the room for a lot of this is the alt whoever say it 3 times and it's true. Your own bs becomes a verified source.

I always assumed ninfan was just a tugger, now it's obvious he's also a shill.

I types simple back there when I meant to type bawbag, apologies for any confusion.

Are any of the right wing loons on here genuine posters?

looks like it's going to be a day of legal challenges to the new Muslim ban....

Ironically - it's the Donald's own words that are the justification for these challenges .... the fact that he, his office, his staff and advisers kept referring to it as "the muslim ban" betrays it's core purpose, and it's implicit unconstitutionality (unconstitutionalness?).

We need real-time blood-pressure monitoring of The Orange One..... it would be great to quantify just how much each challenge to his (imagined) omnipotency p*sses him off.

A challenge from an Obama appointed, ethnic minority, atourney general from Hawaii has got to really get him REALLY fired-up 😀

As for the tax return: is anyone doubting that the leak came from him?

He's obviously leaked the only page that show him paying any tax in an effort to shut people up - but apparently he either didn't realize/remember that he is on record as intending to abolish that tax category, or care.

Given his tweeting behavior, I suspect that he leaked this personally, without taking advice. Although, when you look at who his advisers are, I suppose anything is possible....

So, as I read it, ninfan is claiming (using another isolated document) that Doughnut pays his taxes.

Didn't the Orange Bloater claim that avoiding paying taxes makes him "smart"?

So how does ninfan feel about, by his own logic, his hero actually being a bit thick?

And would he care to deal with his attempt to prove a point by cherry-picking a statistic which actually indicates the opposite argument (rise in USA employment figures)?

Although, given ninny's history of ignoring difficult embarrassments, I'm not holding my breath.

Geert Wilders loses, jolly good. Not all countries as misguided as America thankfully.

Federal Judges 2: Republicans 0

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html
Well the downside for being so damm honest and transparent is that people might take what you say as what you mean...

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“For instance, there is nothing ‘veiled’ about this press release,” Judge Watson wrote, quoting a Trump campaign document titled “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”

Another so-called expert who needs to be educated on how 'calling for' something offers no insight into what you actually want to happen... 🙂

So, as I read it, ninfan is claiming (using another isolated document) that Doughnut pays his taxes.

No, go and read what I said, that the tax return [i]disproves[/i] the narrative, i.e. That it proves that [i]either[/i] Donald paid more than he legally had to [b]or[/b] the story that Donald wrote off losses big enough that he [i]could[/i] avoid taxes for eighteen years was untrue.

As for Holland, you now seem to be celebrating because someone to the right of the Tories, someone who actually says that if immigrants don't like it there they can sod off back home, beat someone to the tight of Nigel Farage into second place.

And you think that's a win for progressive politics 😆

My real favourite part is

“This ruling makes us look weak, which by the way we no longer are, believe me,” Mr. Trump said, to mounting cheers from a loyal crowd.

Trump paid $38m in taxes in 2005 and at a much higher rate than say someone like Mitt Romney. Avg American pays roughly 10% in Federal Taxes.

Source Jamby? Trump paid under the minimum payment rules and as suggested could well have leaked his own client copy. Maybe if he released all the rest people might believe him. Kind of easy isn't it.

That it proves that either Donald paid more than he legally had to or the story that Donald wrote off losses big enough that he could avoid taxes for eighteen years was untrue.

First case: what I said.

Second case: er, what I said...

I'm happy that Wilders obtained such a low result because he's a poisonous little squit. Nice to see that the voting public of his own country agree with me.