Yep another fact laden Ninfan post. I see you ar now adding #literallyhitler to you alt-right repitoire, I expect to see it in at least every 3rd post from now on but don't forget snowflake it was a good one.
Still think he got a "special intellegence briefing" on the Wire Taps? Or did he just wake up with late night TV on?
Still think he got a "special intellegence briefing" on the Wire Taps? Or did he just wake up with late night TV on?
Hmm, we find ourself in an amusing situation don't we?
[list]In the blue box, President Trump is the world’s biggest liar (according to his foes).
And...
In the red box, President Trump now has direct access to more national secrets than any other living human being.[/list]
Of course, once again, which of those scenarios do you have a greater emotional investment in Mike? #cognitivedissonance
Of course, once again, which of those scenarios do you have a greater emotional investment in Mike? #cognitivedissonance
Emotional? Leave them at the door, you seem to be able to defend anything with Trump in it (Trump Dump toilets, Trump Chineese massage parlour etc.) you do seem a bit involved there.
He has access to stuff the FBI don't? his national security advisor doesn't? and more - you also seem to know nothing about secrets and security. He will not have access to it all, he may request access to information but he won't get everything as that is how we got into the whole wikileaks/Manning situation.
So the new scenario is that he woke up, demanded that somebody bring him the documents that prove his offices were tapped under the instructions of Obama? Then leaked them to the right wing nut job who was broardcasting a vague collection of join the dots & 2+2 = 27495 at the same time? Or that he trawled through the docs until he found something?
Then on finding evidence/proof/substance/anything to back up his tweets then immediatly made that available so that it could be verified.
I'm impressed by your levels of imagination on this one.
He has access to stuff the FBI don't? his national security advisor doesn't?
Maybe he does #russia
Personally I think it would be a pretty poor national security service that didn't surveil and investigate [i]all[/i] the presidential candidates. I would imagine that part is standard practise. And probably even more so when there are suggestions of foreign influence.
He has access to stuff the FBI don't?
Of course he bloody does - what do you think they invented the CIA and NSA for?
Of course he bloody does - what do you think they invented the CIA and NSA for?
Investigating Russian collaborators ?
Welcome back Nifan. Time to start following this thread again... 😀
So it's all a leftie anti-democratic conspiracory now, Ninfan?
I see you haven't responded or even listened to my accusation that it is the right, that is the historically undemocratic force in the west.
Well I can't compete with the reasoned arguments put forward by the big hitters above. I just think Trump is a ****.
- his personal investment in that is just too big to admit to himself that he might have been wrong.
Same can be said for yourself ninfan
I see you haven't responded
He doesn't tend to respond to reasoned arguments. You can take it as a point conceded by him if he ignores the bulk of your argument and picks a minor side point to score a cheap point on and put in a laughy face.
See his response to mike's "Lets check though" post.
"Xenophobic" - was Hitler Xenophobic? Part of his hierarchy of races theory gave credit to under-races who had their own countries. He considered Jews all the worse for lack of a State. So that's the opposite of Zenophobia. That's valuing Foreign Nations.
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"Xenophobic" - was Hitler Xenophobic? Part of his hierarchy of races theory gave credit to under-races who had their own countries. He considered Jews all the worse for lack of a State. So that's the opposite of Zenophobia. That's valuing Foreign Nations.
Being a racist isn't a bad defence against Xenophobia. If Trump hates Mexican because they're Hispanic, he can offer that as a defence against the charge of hating Mexicans because they're Mexican.
In Hitler's case his outlook was so utterly based on race, with such elaborate theories of race worth I can't see much room for Xenophobia. Now Stalin was deffo Xenophobic. Simply having been abroad tainted you in his opinion. (Who was the aircraft designer who ended up in the Gulab because he once went to an airshow in Paris?!)
Trump's miserable failures so far:
Resignations from his team.
Still not having a full staff at the WH.
Making claims on Twitter without any evidence to back them up.
Instituting immigration policies that reduce the situation in the ports to complete chaos.
Trying to do this failed action for a second time that already seems to be going the same way due to a Judicial challenge.
Continuing to exhibit only the very slimmest of grasp on issues of the day (ie: International Women's Day) and making himself look ignorant and foolish.
Obsessing over trivia that has absolutely nothing to do with the job he's SUPPOSED to be doing (the arguing with Arnold Shwarzenegger about "You're Fired" or whatever the stupid thing is called).
Making claims for successful outcomes that were initiated BEFORE he became President.
Lauding a "Day of Action" to demonstrate his popularity with national demonstrations, at which three people and a dog turned up.
Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing.
Still not having a clue about what he's going to replace "Obamacare" with, leaving millions of Americans suddenly without health insurance.
I could go on.
Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?
Anybody?
"Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?"
What supporters? He's got the lowest ratings ever. Even the people who voted for him don't rate him.
I was hoping that the In House Trumpettes might respond...
Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?
He's draining the swamp, bigly.
Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing.
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"Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing."
It hadn't struck me 'till now but as a campaign message "It's not possible to bring manufacturing jobs to the USA because Robots do them all" is not going to play well with voters.
I can see why people might vote for the guy who's going to try, over the candidate who thinks it's already a lost cause.
Demanding that American companies relocate back to the USA to "bring back jobs", despite the fact that the majority of these firms use robot manufacturing.
Not all of them use robots - some still use human fleshbags because they cost less than robots. Production line jobs, working long hours for a fraction of the US minimum wage, living on site in factory dormitories, with pretty "relaxed" approaches to H&S and employee rights.
I'm sure those are exactly the kind of jobs that Trump supporters want. 🙄
You will note that this rise in employment is the latest growth figure going back to the 2009 crash.
It therefore has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with Obama's administration and policies.
Trump has been telling everybody that the economy is a disaster and that his insistence on bringing back American firms (who's workforce is mainly robotic) to relocate inside the USA is faulty in two instances. 1: According to your own link, the problem does not exist and 2: is another example of his habit of claiming to fix problems caused by the previous administration where there are none.
I do wish you'd do just a [i]little[/i] deeper research before banging off an irrelevant stat in support of your empty arguments.
"Not all of them use robots - some still use human fleshbags because they cost less than robots. Production line jobs, working long hours for a fraction of the US minimum wage, living on site in factory dormitories, with pretty "relaxed" approaches to H&S and employee rights."
...and yet when you visit these factories everyone is happy, smiling and enthusiastic. There's something cultural they get right and we get wrong.
"It therefore has nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with Obama's administration and policies."
5 minutes ago you were saying manufacturing job growth was impossible because robots. Now you're saying it's already been done.
Manufacturing was responsible for 32,000 of those new jobs.
What do any of these new jobs have to do with Trump?
...and yet when you visit these factories everyone is happy, smiling and enthusiastic.
Maybe they are told to smile and be happy when big white customer man visits to see the happy smiling workforce or they will be sacked. Just maybe. 🙄
"Maybe they are told to smile and be happy when big white customer man visits to see the happy smiling workforce or they will be sacked. Just maybe."
I wish they'd do the same to the miserable ***** I work with in the UK.
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I do wish you'd do just a little deeper research before banging off an irrelevant stat in support of your empty arguments.
Not been here long?
You will note that this rise in emploment is the latest growth figure going back to the 2009 crash.
Yep, the US Unemployment Rate has actually been falling pretty steadily since 2010, from a high of 10% in Oct 2009 down to 4.8% when Obama left office in Jan 2017.
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Of course Trump says:
🙄"Don't believe these phony numbers. The number is probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."
Oddly though he seems happy enough to believe the numbers when he can steal credit for them:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/january-2017-jobs-report-is-obama-not-trump-2017-2
5 minutes ago you were saying manufacturing job growth was impossible because robots. Now you're saying it's already been done.
No, I was saying that TRUMP'S idea of fixing a manufacturing workforce problem by relocating robotics-based companies is nonsensical.
In fact, by focusing exclusively on this kind of employment, he shows again how narrow his understanding actually is. ninfan's own reference demonstrates that Trump is not only ineffectual, but in regard to employment levels, is simply wrong.
...and yet when you visit these factories everyone is happy, smiling and enthusiastic. There's something cultural they get right and we get wrong.
Yeah - really happy..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9006988/Mass-suicide-protest-at-Apple-manufacturer-Foxconn-factory.html
OOB any chance you can get the hang of the quotes button?
Anyway ninfan and the rest what's your highlight of the first 2 months of Trump?
I do wish you'd do just a little deeper research before banging off an irrelevant stat in support of your empty arguments.
I have to admit it was a particularly bizarre attempt by that poster to make Trump look good.
"OOB any chance you can get the hang of the quotes button?
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Sadly no. Opera mini won't let me and I can't be arsed to type the tags in manually.
Exactly WHAT IS IT that his supporters like about all this?
Shaking things up?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39221092 ] US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) chief Scott Pruitt has said he "would not agree" carbon dioxide is a primary contributor to global warming.
He told CNBC that measuring human impact on the climate was "very challenging" and there was "tremendous disagreement" about the issue.[/url]
I imagine the "[i]tremendous disagreement[/i]" comes from carefully selected scientists, how long till the moderate republicans take a stand against the direction their party is heading?
I imagine the "tremendous disagreement" comes from carefully selected scientists, how long till the moderate republicans take a stand against the direction their party is heading?
I bet the moderate Republicans are loving Trump, though, as he is making them look positively enlightened by comparison; preparing the way for when "genuine, good-hearted" Republicans fly in and save the day from the nasty Trump.
till they get spanked by the electorate is my guess
Aaargh, i thought Pruitt had backed down from being such a vehement denier - it seems possible things might get even worse at the EPA than I was expecting.
What say the Trumpettes on here now? ISTR they defended Pruitts appointment at the time
Sore losers
SAD
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What say the Trumpettes on here now?
the trumpettes on here are rabid deniers too so I assume they are quite happy.
I think they are still researching the best of the last 2 months question. Or typing up the alt facts articles that are due
Anyway ninfan and the rest what's your highlight of the first 2 months of Trump?
I am calling for mike to be banned from the forum until he learns to not feed the trolls.
