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Yep but Obama once farted so that invalidates it all....
the conversation has moved on, get over it, the fact that you didn’t like my answers doesn’t mean I haven’t answered you
Yes it does -
I thought this was a coherent thread. But as soon as you don't like something you disappear for a few days before coming back with the ramblings that make very little sense.
As great as that video of Jesse Jackson is - I don't see anything there that changes my mind with all the evidence.
Trump sees cheap labour, nothing more.
As you like Snopes, here's some reading about Trump & racism..
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-racist-meme/
So are you going to admit you're happy to turn a blind eye to the racism, sexism etc..?
ninfan
Ah, so there you go, when Obama can’t change it, it’s because it’s a huge issue with deep roots that has been perpetuated by bothe sides of the political sphere (what was it LBJ said? “I’ll have them n****rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”)
I said on the last page that as a black president, what Obama did was enfranchise black voters many of whom had suffered excesses of racism until recent times. Many up to then never voted or felt involved in politics. Many may have previously found even registering to vote a difficult process. I made no comment regarding one side being more or less racist than another. Read it back of you can be bothered.
I take some issue with this:
Ah, so there you go, when Obama can’t change it, it’s because it’s a huge issue with deep roots that has been perpetuated by bothe sides of the political sphere (what was it LBJ said? “I’ll have them n****rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”)
Agreed that race politics are deeply ingrained in the non-metropolitan US as race seems to influence social class far more than it does here. But I think that the example of LBJ is subjective to some degree. In private, he said some awful things and didn't bother to hide his prejudice. He's also forever associated with the war in Vietnam, on his watch it turned from a local conflict into an event that threatened the very social fabric of 1960s America itself.
That said, the legislation that attempted to redress the inequalities of poverty and racial injustice was a landmark moment. Civil rights, clean(er) air, education and social security bills were passed that helped reduce the 55% of African Americans living in poverty in 1960 to 27% by 1968.
The truth is more nuanced than for me to condemn LBJ outright, as he did at least bring some positive change.
But I'm struggling to see how Trump is capable doing positive things beyond the limits of his own character. Also, at best his vacillations about Russia and Putin in the last 120 hours are at best pure theatre and at worst something extremely sinister.
https://twitter.com/annabelcrabb/status/1020040885260685316
Well at least history is going to be fun in 50 years
But I’m struggling to see how Trump is capable doing positive things beyond the limits of his own character.
His character is limited to 240...
But I’m struggling to see how Trump is capable doing positive things beyond the limits of his own character.
Just look at the long list of other things it was unlikely/impossible for Trump to achieve despite/because of the limits of his own character...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G87UXIH8Lzo
you struggled to envisage that too, right?
So in summary ninfan giving it up to Russia is not really a thing, being clueless isn't a problem and he hasn't actually achieved anything worth writing about as president. As we know the north Korea (not a) deal was less than any other president had got into a deal while conceding more. Next up we have his ex staff in court while his midterms are coming up.
giving it up to Russia is not really a thing,
Oh, sorry, I thought that the US had reset their relationship with Russia a while ago?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4PfhogtdQ
Well I suppose it's an improvement of sorts.
Ninpoop is now reduced to defending the odious creature on his bedroom altar-piece by saying that yes, The Orange Buffoon is a useless racist halfwit but look, other American politicians have been also.
So he agrees. Dump is a waste of oxygen.
Progress!
You have to admit, he's raised whataboutery (amongst other things) to an art form.
Soo......anyway. Back on script. November mid terms? He loses the Senate ( or Congress, I don't know anymore), the Democrats impeach him and he's gone. Yes or no? Discuss.
Senate is stacked in his favour it's mostly blues in red states and safe reds up for grabs (the other half to last time) Congress is wide open.
Some interesting stat
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/
How trumpy people have been, could be good or toxic fornthem
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/
There is a Senate version though they don't reckon its worth reading too much till after August, their politics podcast is worth a listen too.
It also helps if you understand stats, they had Clinton at 75% to win which is favourite but trump with a 1 in 4 chance.
The upshot is you need 2/3 of the Senate for impeachment sony would need republicans turned. I guess it's over to Mueller for that bit.
Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump Discussing Payment to Playboy Model https://nyti.ms/2myEPqA
At least somebody can turn on the tape recorder
Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump Discussing Payment to Playboy Model https://nyti.ms/2myEPqA
/a>At least somebody can turn on the tape recorder
Careful there Mike, someone (I don't know who), may well be on shortly to remind us of Democrat sex scandals, I.e. Clinton-Lewinski, and JFK-Norma Jean.
How about the Clinton Lolita Express scandal? That's a good one.
He will be won't he, meanwhile this is fun
At the Aspen Security Forum, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell breaks the news to Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats that the White House has invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to Washington in the fall. Coats also expresses concern about Trump’s solo meeting with Putin in Helsinki.
That's Robert Duvall in that clip.
So a private meeting in Helsinki and now staying at the White House. Does the White House have a honeymoon suite with a secret door?
Guess what happens if you google for images of "idiot"
Wonder how long it will be before
Exxon Mobil is abandoning its joint exploration ventures with the Russian oil company Rosneft, retreating from what was one of its most promising investments until Western sanctions got in the way.
Is rebooted 🙂
I like the fact that his name comes up when you type idiot into google. Despite anything he says that would **** him off.
Nice Twitter post from Stephen King quoting Orwell in 1945:
George Orwell on Trump and Putin, in 1945: “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
Not the only person he quoted on that subject:
https://twitter.com/linwood_barclay/status/1019141587023138816
So Cohen made a recording, will that have any impact on Teflon trump
Exxon Mobil is abandoning its joint exploration ventures with the Russian oil company Rosneft, retreating from what was one of its most promising investments until Western sanctions got in the way.
Slightly OT but I'd say the biggest thing in the way of joint ventures with Russian oil companies is the habit of expropriating assets on dodgy grounds, such as the phony environmental charges leading to a big part of Shell's Sakhalin project being grabbed.
"I like the fact that his name comes up when you type idiot into google. Despite anything he says that would **** him off."
The first 3 pages of images are 90% him, that's going to take a lot of data manipulation and 'fake news' baiting to get that changed in the next few years.
If I came anywhere near the idiot in real life I would happily punch him and do the jail time. Pity he's so well protected and our paths will never cross.
I see despite cutting funding for vets Trunp has insisted on a twelve million dollar military parade that 90% of the armed forces disagree with. Not that he has an ego problem, or that any of his family have actually served. That money could do a lot of good somewhere else.
So Cohen made a recording, will that have any impact on Teflon trump
Its interesting that your takeway from that sitiation is that the existence of a tape, and it’s potential contents is the scandal.
rather than the fact that the FBI have had access to what would clearly, and in anyone’s eyes, be legally privileged documents/records of communication between a lawyer and his client.
rather than the fact that the FBI have had access to what would clearly, and in anyone’s eyes, be legally privileged documents/records of communication between a lawyer and his client
The information was reviewed by a judge and sorted to be released. Got a problem with what he might have recorded?
More interesting than Nin's instant, contrary posturing.
The information was reviewed by a judge and sorted to be released. Got a problem with what he might have recorded?
Got a (reliable) source for that claim? The NYT, who broke the whole story, stated:
The recording is potential evidence in the campaign finance investigation, but became tied up in a legal fight over what materials are protected by attorney-client privilege and thus off limits to prosecutors. It is not clear whether a federal judge has ruled on whether prosecutors can listen to the recording.
My apologies thought that process was over. But you k ow what I don't really care as my joke still works that somebody managed to turn on the tape recorder.
In the end there is so much going on that something will stick
"legal privilege" is only relevant in the discussion of past events, not in the facilitation of future events. The tape is a conversation about a future pay off and therefore not legally protected.
My apologies thought that process was over.
So, you were talking bollocks then? #fakenews
So, you were talking bollocks then? #fakenews
Not at all I merely used words incorrectly and you chose to misunderstand what I meant to say which is because I knew way I was saying, you should also look squirrel!
Oh and I will take bit from the last post about legal privilege being about past events not planning or actioning illegal things.
Herees a thought for you... what if it was Trumps team who leaked this?
Honestly when we are considering the debacle in Finland, the stuff ups at Nato and in the UK, the new invite to put in that has the adults in the room rolling their eyes, the ongoing indictments and the fact Cohen might have flipped to save his skin this could be a Trump distraction but we will see. Desperate people do desperate things.
So apart from the playboy stuff, the Putin stuff, the UK visit, the idiotic parade and the Brexit stuff he's had a good week?
He has had the best week of any president, yes really he has, there is no doubt about it, the best week of any president.
I know this as he tweeted it.
Yeah...
Anyway Carter Page.
Interesting stuff although heavily redacted.
IMHO without sounding like a conspiracy theorist I’m starting to think that the idea of trump being a Russian asset(bought/compromised in the 90’s) in light with his current behaviour doesn’t seem now to be that far fetched.
The last week with Russia and the even giving consideration of giving the former ambassador over to the Russians was just truely crazy bonkers.
No wonder they’re wondering just what he talked about for 2 hours alone with Putin, probably which account to use to pay P’s green fees.
So apart from the playboy stuff, the Putin stuff, the UK visit, the idiotic parade and the Brexit stuff he’s had a good week?
well it had all the bits to make a good film, Sexy girls,Russians,spies,money,a white supremist could be a new franchise for the Bourne people.
Seems like Assange might be leaving his cupboard:
[Mods: Should this go in the Trump thread or the Brexit thread?]
Should this go in the Trump thread or the Brexit thread?
Neither.
Seems that former White House aide Steve Bannon is starting up a new Far Right European organisation to work for the likes of Marine LePen, etc. There ought to be a job opportunity for Ninny there, he could rant about ‘Lefties’, and how great Trumpet is, and get paid for it!
Should this go in the Trump thread or the Brexit thread?
Neither.
Really?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/when-nigel-farage-met-julian-assange
Seems that former White House aide Steve Bannon is starting up a new Far Right European organisation to work for the likes of Marine LePen, etc. There ought to be a job opportunity for Ninny there, he could rant about ‘Lefties’, and how great Trumpet is, and get paid for it!
Hopefully, the EU's legislative response to foreign state and non-state intelligence operations will be robust enough to break these circles up. Because that is essentially what that is.
Just reading an article in boing boing about the increasing decent towards fascism in Nicaragua, and there was a quote from a handy guide from the American Holocaust Museum that caught my eye:
In his book, On Tyranny: 20 Lessons from the 20th Century, author Timothy Snyder warns:
Watch out for the paramilitaries. When the men with guns who have always claimed to be against the system start wearing uniforms and marching around with torches and pictures of a Leader, the end is nigh. When the pro-Leader paramilitary and the official police and military intermingle, the game is over.
One of your close circle of friends, Ninny?
https://boingboing.net/2018/07/19/former-senior-cia-official-say.html
I see the D has now laid the foundations for a summit with the Iranian president...
Jesus, CZ - despite that man being a raving anti-Semite, he's married to this piece of work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfreda_Frances_Bikowsky
She was the direct supervisor of Michael Anne Casey, a CIA staff operations officer who was assigned to track future 9/11 hijacker Khalid al-Mihdhar at an al-Qaeda operatives' meeting in Malaysia in early January 2000.[9] Casey blocked a draft cable written by Doug Miller, a FBI agent detailed to the Bin Laden Issue Station, to the FBI warning that al-Mihdhar had a multiple-entry visa for travel to the U.S.[17][18](p240) Mark Rossini, another FBI agent first assigned to the Bin Laden Issue Station in 1999,[18](p233) testified that Casey also verbally ordered him to not share information with FBI headquarters about al-Mihdhar or Nawaf al-Hazmi, who was traveling with al-Mihdhar.[1][19
I see the D has now laid the foundations for a summit with the Iranian president…
I hear we're at CAPSLOCK1.
^ Lol
If only!
Looks like all that lovely Iranian oil is about to be "liberated", except I guess they can't use that word now as it's too like liberal.
The capslock thing is now a meme:
Anyone would think that he was invested in oil and military companies perhaps in the US and Russia as he really seems to be pushing for decades of increased prices and revenue by starting a new war in the ME
The Iranian statement that prompted that hissy fit was pretty balanced too;
"America should know that peace with Iran is the mother of all peace, and war with Iran is the mother of all wars"
I know their English is fairly good there in comparison 😉 Maybe they used a spell checker
I watched that Hypernormalisation (Adam Curtis) documentary again at the weekend. I think he has a point with regards to what he has to say about Russia under Putin and now the USA under The Donald. When everything is in a state of constant flux and nothing ever remains stable enough to get a grip on it. It makes it far easier for those behind the scenes to get up to all kinds of dodgy shit. It's all smoke and mirrors, Putin had to employ someone to manufacture chaos. With Trump, they can just sit back and watch him get on with it, feed him his cheeseburgers, hand him his phone and know that he'll be able to stir something up with a batshit tweet or two.
He is trying to get into ANWR, FFS he is an idiot.
Dear God his latest tweet 😱
Not sure what Putin is thinking letting him tweet that.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1021784726217142273
Wow doubling down on something there, MDMA? maybe a little weed when he gets up?
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1021602405308411904
OK explained here
That tweet is a belter!
That must be a hack tweet. He didn't write that did he? Surely not.
I know, very few capitals, spelling looks OK too
That must be a hack tweet. He didn’t write that did he? Surely not.
What better way to keep their man in a position of power, than to accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.
The Russians are old hands at this, like whataboutery, which is an old Soviet game, used by ninny oddly enough, the Russians also fund their opponents, not enough to be a serious threat, but enough to muddy the waters.
Worth a read, Wired article about toxic fandom and dTrump:
https://www.wired.com/story/trump-fandom/?mbid=social_tw_cul
I noticed this bit:
Aside from out-and-out white supremacists, Trump supporters include internet trolls who use white supremacist language and dog whistles to whip up a slice of his base.
Sound like anyone we know?
Don't know if this has been posted, but if not then great insight from Jonathon Pie
Flump is shelling out $12 billion to U.S farmers who are seeing their livelihood go down the drain because of Chinese blocking of soy bean imports.
"Trade wars are good and easy to win". 😂
State hand outs that's bloody socialism!
The tweet about Democrats being helped by Russia is genius. If he loses in the mid-terms or in the reelection, he can blame election interference. If he wins, he gets to say he was so popular even interference cannot cause him to lose.
Yep 100% all part of taking credit for everyone else doing stuff, from the same play book as inventing a problem then claiming to have fixed the non existent problem
Tapes a cracker.
Cant wait for the others to surface.
The tweet about Democrats being helped by Russia is genius.
Its his normal pattern. Accuse his opponents of his own failings/flaws.