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PS - massive LOLZ at the reporters all piling on to point fingers at Trump about Finland not being a NATO member after he commented about the Finnish President being there.
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1018751734460637185
Then, a few minutes later:
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1018754656330309632
Yeah, #Awkward 🙂
ninfan, are you delighting in someone's failure to accurately report the truth? At least he's correcting himself.
Hypocrite's hypocrite.
Trump told the Finnish President Just now he enjoyed spending time with him at the NATO summit. Finland is not part of NATO
And there's nothing incorrect in that statement. something you'd have been quick to point out yourself if it was Trump who'd said it.
just seen your previous missive. You're a perceptive chap, you know that's pathetically narrow and insufficient attempt to counter the accusations.
Objecting to and fighting ILLEGAL immigration, defending your countries borders and being selective about who you let into your country isn’t racist.
No - so is the following not a racist statement?
"I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.... Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that's guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks."
Much more here - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
On the wider question, being skeptical of computer modelling that has got everything wrong so far isn’t a bad thing, and there is a strong chain of thought that concentrating resources on developing and strengthening resilience is a better solution than investing in fractional cuts in emissions in the first world while they continue to climb in second and third world nations.
Yes - that's a good point regarding resilience, but... it wasn't what I asked. He's not exactly doing anything, regarding cuts or resilience. So... the original question remains.
And I think I know where the real sexism lies in fact here is a list.
Again, you're avoiding the question, I wasn't asking about the Canadian PM, Harvey or anyone else. We can discuss them in their own threads along with the merits - this thread is about Donald Trump.
a joke about grabbing girls by the pussy
Yeah. Hilarious.
I've noticed that you tend to avoid answering questions and criticisms that don't fit in with your own 'alternative narrative'. When you're not hurriedly backtracking on previous posts and editing them to make them fit with whatever little tricks and tropes that are occurring to you from second to second, that is.
I quite see why you suffer from 'Bully Worship' of the giant vomiting orange nightmare.
You're very similar personalities, suffering (I would guess) from much the same personality problems.
How frustrating it must be for you that your own tendency to bully doesn't gain any traction around here. ..
I suppose the question will be what Trump does to repair the damage
Putin was able to embarass & belittle him, without even trying- Putins giggle when asked about Kompromat on Trump summed it up.
Trump the strongman now looks like Trump the fool & puppet of Putin, even his allies on Fox news dont know how to play it
so some deflection is coming, wonder where he will lash out next?
So still no hint of a motive for the Putin love other than in the pocket or in awe/ego problems about not winning all on his own?
Heard some well established journalists being amazed by how he went about his answers, the lack of coherent thought and inability to deal with any of the issues.
There was a simple answer to the questions about the charges against the Russians but he decided not to go there.
It certainly won't help if Muller has enough to need a vote on it.
And a selection of comments from Left, Right and Centre
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/trump-putin-meeting-reactions.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/trump-putin-meeting-reactions.html
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Wouldnt not would...well thats sorted then!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44864739
Proper LOL's
is this time to check the auto replace works I struggle with long sentences
it's a trollmagnet
fify
Not cowardly at all then
wont dare say it to Putins face, but only once hes safely back in the whitehouse he claims he misspoke
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1019296968730923009
looking desperate, prepare for distraction factor 50!
For sincerity though, make eye contact, sound like you mean it even if you don't and try not to look like your reading from a prepared statement....
surely, SURELY you can depose a president for being such a monumental idiot?!?
Would or wouldn’t. Which is it?
So Trump is rapidly back tracking on what he said to Putin, no surprises there I suppose, but...... whats worse? Lying to Putin, to the people of the USA? Or is it part of the script Putin gave him? Whatever! Just how long can this fool carry on? Surely there is a limit on bare faced lies? When are the good folk of the USA ( an there are some) going to stand as one and say no more?
So basically he's a coward and a liar. Think the video evidence pretty much proves that now. Also I think be might be afraid of the dark.
Who would have thunk inglish was hard four im
https://twitter.com/MAXWASABI_/status/1015009571784364032
It really does look like Diane Abbott levels of ineptitude (now there's a dream ticket). I've actually got to the stage where I'm almost finding it funny*. It's like a cross between Yes Minister and a Carry On film. Do you think he'll say he mis-spoke when taking the Oath, if he needs to?
Maybe that's where some of the more articulate/intelligent Trump supporters have been at all along. They've been thinking "the guy's pure parody - I can't believe no-one else gets it". Hence mocking - or being contrary with - everyone who's late to the party.
Yeah, it's a shame about the whole ****ing the planet bit, but he's only got another 6 years in office, tops, and based on what he's achieved so far, how many changes will he get through in that time? Of course he may not get re-elected (but you know, I fear he might) and more to the point he could try to change the system so presidents aren't limited to 2 terms - but I have a weird faith that even GOP law makers might see the folly in that.
On the up-side, it turns out he never had bone-spurs at all.... his doctor mis-spoke.
*...or very,very scary. There's this weird, untested equilibrium: on one side there's DT's ability to appear monumentally inept and un-voteable-for, and on the other side there's the unswerving devotion of the American right.
and on the other side there’s the unswerving devotion of the American right.
The important change is being able to stuff the supreme court full of hard right ideologues. Choose some youngish people and the court will be an ideological haven for years to come.
So what exactly is his correction/reversal supposed to say?
That he now believes his intelligence agencies? Because he seemed to say that:
“Let me be totally clear in saying that … I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,”
But then he said that he didn't necessarily believe that:
“It could be other people also. There’s a lot of people out there.”
He just can't help himself.
Haha what a hilariously bad BS excuse. I would piss on him if he was on fire.
Sorry, I meant I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
How long was Trump in his private meeting with Putin ?
Putin sort of always has a notebook and writes stuff down as he's a bit switched on and always very helpful offering to send some of his people to help with the investigation 🙂
Between trump and putin I think i'd rather have a beer with Putin as he's probably the more interesting.
I suspect peak ninfanny-ness is due shortly
I suspect peak ninfanny-ness is due shortly
He has been quiet recently. I'm worried.
I'm disappointed, I was really looking forward to it.
How long was Trump in his private meeting with Putin ?
Long enough for Putin to show him all the dirt he has on Trump and what he can do to bring him down if he doesn't do as he is told.
being skeptical of computer modelling that has got everything wrong so far isn’t a bad thing
Which modelling would that be?
Which modelling would that be?
I guess it's one of these things where if you cherry pick some data to fit your conclusions you can claim the models are wrong.
Would or wouldn’t. Which is it?
Both - Schrodinger's Trump.
see also - massive crowds both at and not at inauguration
being skeptical of computer modelling that has got everything wrong so far isn’t a bad thing
burn down all the computers
The issue I have with Trump is that his actions are not only undoing all the diplomacy done by Obama and Bush to control/stabilise certain issues is being undone to such an extent that it is leaving a vacuum in some very dangerous places that the likes of Russia and North Korea are filling. Getting them back out to the previous point is going to be very difficult and take a very long time. He is genuinely a danger to America and the rest of the world. US politics is going to take a very long time to undo the damage he is doing, partly due to the way their processes are set up and partly because the voting public as a whole may keep him in for a second term. I'm not going to get into whether it's right or wrong for the US, that's their decision to make, but it is creating a very unbalanced political narrative in the rest of the world.
The next person who follows him as president is going to have a very, very tough job to do. The trouble is that will put off a lot of the best candidates as it will be seen as a poisoned chalice meaning the clever candidates will wait a term for someone else to take the flak then come in afterwards. Sadly Trump's influence and legacy is going to be felt for the next decade at a minimum, that's the scary bit for me.
Would or wouldn’t. Which is it?
Has not the President not been unclear that Russia wouldn't not have no reason to not tamper with the US election? Or not?
Or if other people would or would not have had any or no reason to do that or not.
If i ever get to meet Trump, i'm gonna knee him in the balls and then say "oh sorry, my mistake, i meant to shake your hand and i just did the wrong action"....... 😉
I also find it funny that Trumps "spokespeople" are actually starting to sound like our dear old Ninny themselves!
They are now looking, pedantically, for minor spelling, pronunciation or delivery nuances in what the Orange Buffoon has said in order to be able to frantically backpedal towards a less contentious, less embarrassing version......
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/us/politics/trump-putin-higher-intelligence.html
Oh I thought you asked if I like Orange!!
{QUOTE}The issue I have with Trump is that his actions are not only undoing all the diplomacy done by Obama and Bush to control/stabilise certain issue{QUOTE}
He hasnt done an Iraq/Libya/Syria yet, not as bad as Obama nor Bush yet. He's only done 2 years as opposed to 2 terms so he has time.
Gets better this wouldn’t would thing.
He crayoned out the good bit yep and added a no collusion reminder.
The only bloke whose seen his tax stuff, interestingly as part of a court settlement, is making noises that people should look into them and they would probably find out why he’s acting the way he is.
One for the GoT fans
Is Trump actually a Sacha baron Cohen character?
He hasnt done an Iraq/Libya/Syria yet, not as bad as Obama nor Bush yet. He’s only done 2 years as opposed to 2 terms so he has time.
Nahh man, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were rock n roll - they started an illegal war, whilst Bush visited Mosques in New York to show support for American Muslims.
On the other hand, small dick Trump - stirs up a lot of hatred at home and doesn't even start a war that's worth watching on tv.
I would totes take Bush and Blair back, at least the public would think that the enemy was somewhere overseas - we wouldn't see the hatred we are seeing now and be fighting amongst ourselves.
Vietnam - Nixon - to the tune of The Stones etc > Iraq - Bush/Blair - to the tune of Eminem > 2017 - Syria - Trump/May - to the tune of Ed Sheeran. It's all gone DOWNHILL bro.
And while we get into the fun and games of it all there is a tragic side here
We still don't have a resolution to MH17 and the murder of those innocent people. That is the start of a very long list of things that need sorted before arse kissing can begin.
I am currently re-watching The Wire, and came across this chat between Barack Obama and The Wires creator David Simon. It is an interesting watch. (Link below). My wife also yesterday commented that I had zoned out of my phone and turned up the TV volume in an instant when highlights of Obama's speech in South Africa came on C4 news. I did not notice I had done this as it felt like an automatic reaction. With hindsight I realise it must have been a yearning to hear some sort of intelligent comment from across the pond, and made me think how I miss him as president. I don't doubt he has flaws, and have read of Obama's arrogance, but he has wished to do something about the high rate of Americas gun deaths which is laudable.
Is Trump actually a Sacha baron Cohen character?
I quite like the theory that Andy Kaufman faked his death in 1984 and this has all been a very long and elaborate set up for gag - but we're going to have to wait til 2024 to get the punchline.
v Spolier alert. v
my money is on "the Aristocrats"
I know Andy Kaufman personally and he is a very, very nice guy. A really top guy. He has been living happily on the moon since 1995. His advisor Tony assures me that Andy is being attended to by the most beautiful girls with some fine ass. I trust them as if they were my own daughters. Believe me, the moon is wonderful, I have some seafront condominiums for sale there at Tranquility Base. The Earth sets are the best you will see anywhere on Earth without doubt. My advisors tell me that the cheese is to die for. Thank you and god bless merica.
I see his Press Secretary is having to reinterpret his words for him now as he just can't help himself. Must be a burden having such a giant ego that gets regularly massaged and inflated by all the sycophants around him...
Bit late for Obama to do something about gun laws. @raybanwomble don't blame May/Trump for Syria it was Saint Obama arming the rebels, Obama ****ed up Libya- the man caused so much damage. Trump is small fry compared.
Care to elaborate ctk?
Bush ****ed up in Iraq
Obama ****ed up in Syria & Libya
Trump has done nothing of this magnitude (yet)
Do you need details?
Trump has done nothing of this magnitude (yet)
Do you need details?
Always helps to make your point really.
once again - the fact that other people did 'worse' things* in the past does not make it OK to do bad stuff now.
On that basis everyone has carte blanche to do anything, because once there was this bloke called Hitler..... and nothing's that magnitude.
* your opinion.
Trump is small fry compared.
There is a similarity, but he's clearly Zapp Brannigan, not Fry.
On that basis everyone has carte blanche to do anything, because once there was this bloke called Hitler….. and nothing’s that magnitude.
Don't forget Donald Trump is good because he's no Hilter or Pol Pot...
Surely everyone knows about the Iraq War? Libya is not in a good state at the moment, Obama has called Libya "his worst mistake" and Obama/the CIA sent thousands of tonnes of arms to the rebels in Syria.
I think Trump has done nothing of this magnitude yet- who thinks he has?
I think Trump has done nothing of this magnitude yet- who thinks he has?
What good things has he done? Start your argument from that point and see how you go.
Obama admitted his mistakes with respect to Syria, Trump is currently telling everyone they just misunderstood his.
Hitler, Pol Pot LOLZ !
I'm comparing him to the previous 2 presidents FFS
Well Ninfan is hear obviously to tell us how masterful and coherent the last few days have been?
I’m comparing him to the previous 2 presidents FFS
Very selectively though, what are his top 10 (or 5, or even 3 if you want) achievements there
Well Ninfan is hear obviously to tell us how masterful and coherent the last few days have been?
& presumably answer the questions that were posed to them a page or so ago.
In terms of ****ing up other countries then no, Trump is currently behind Bush & Obama but the damage he's done already to US intelligence agencies, US credibility worldwide, NATO etc. is difficult to quantity and the real effects will only be known in years to come.
If you're saying if Trump was president at the time the Iraq war or Libya/Syria/Afghanistan interventions wouldn't have happened then I think you're deluded. He might be a good negotiator on business deals where the party he's negotiating with really doesn't have a choice (or falls for his lies) but he's not a diplomat or political negotiator and given he's surrounded himself with hawks I'm pretty confident he would have gotten his hands just as dirty in those conflicts as the Presidents in office at the time.
Go for it- you compare the good things- feel free. Do a top 10 of both. Remember when Obama sang Al Green? Swoon- it was awesome! & the joke about Drone striking any boys who chat up his daughters? He's so cool!
I'm going to stick to my original point of Trump hasn't ****ed up any whole countries yet. What has Trump done worse than Iraq, Syria or Libya?
I’m going to stick to my original point of Trump hasn’t **** up any whole countries yet. What has Trump done worse than Iraq, Syria or Libya?
So yeah nothing good then....
Obama, started down the road of healthcare for all though massive resistance (Trump/GOP want rid)
Stimulus and GFC rescue packages
Wall St Reform and Banking Regulations (Trump/GOP want rid)
Got rid of Daon't Ask Don't tell from the Military
Stopped Bush era torture
Environmental reforms (Trump/GOP want rid)
Avoided Scandal for 8 years in office
that is a start there, I'm sure you will pick one thing that lets you claim it's all irrelevant though.
the damage he’s done already to US intelligence agencies, US credibility worldwide, NATO etc. is difficult to quantity
You’re joking, right?
Can I politely suggest that the real damage to the global reputation of US intelligence agencies and US credibility worldwide somewhat predates Donald Trump’s election
With leaving the Paris Agreement you could argue he is ******** up every country (just slowly while his friends make lots of money).
Can I politely suggest that the real damage to the global reputation of US intelligence agencies and US credibility worldwide somewhat predates Donald Trump’s election
you can but I don't think, you would be on to much there.
So how does it look to say you believe Putin over them, then say you made a mistake, then say it was Russia, but maybe it wasn't like the people you said you have faith in told you, then miss some lines out and then mess it up again?
The world is laughing at the US.
Can I politely suggest that the real damage to the global reputation of US intelligence agencies and US credibility worldwide somewhat predates Donald Trump’s election
Well I was talking more about inter-agency/inter-country cooperation and the behind-the-scenes stuff, not the media headlines with Prism etc. For sure the US had credibility issues long before Trump but he seems to the the only President actually deliberately trying to **** things up rather than accidentally :p
Obama inherited Iraq, and he openly admits that failure to plan following Gadaffi in Libya washis worst mistake.
As mentioned, Trump backing out of the Paris Accord is potentially more damaging globally than anything Obama did, it's just that the damage is less immediately visible.
Mike appears to have come across the same list of good legislation passed under Obama that I saw. The effect may be short lived, however he also enfranchised millions of black Americans that have lived under some of the worst excesses of racism in recent history.
Obama did steer the economy fairly successfully through the financial crisis.
The Republican party and others prevented him from introducing even modest gun legislation which could have saved hundreds or thousands of lives each year.
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I’m going to stick to my original point of Trump hasn’t **** up any whole countries yet. What has Trump done worse than Iraq, Syria or Libya?
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So Trump hasnt done anything as bad as Obama or Bush then?
to be clear I dont like Trump, I dont want to big him up. Obama & Bush did some serious damage in the middle east- damage which will last generations- longer than Trump pulling out of the Paris Agreement.
OK, if that is your point then well done. Yep mistakes were made, Bush made a lot of them WRT Iraq and Afgan conflicts. The legacy was left to others to try and clean up and was part of a sequence of events that has resulted in a lot on instability in the Region. Yes Obama could have done better in the Lybia situation but there were no good answers in there.
If you want to see where Trump has started to screw things up it's jumping in bed with Israel over Jerusalem - and before ninfan starts every other president deferred the decision as a method to appease Israel and not inflame tensions. He has undone good work and firmly set them out as on one side.That decision has already cost lives and will cost more while his son in law stood back and watched.
As mentioned, Trump backing out of the Paris Accord is potentially more damaging globally than anything Obama did, it’s just that the damage is less immediately visible.
Funny, the Paris accord was supposedly far too weak to prevent climate change
The effect may be short lived, however he also enfranchised millions of black Americans that have lived under some of the worst excesses of racism in recent history.
Over 6 years into his presidency:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxjH4zlmIg
The Republican party and others prevented him from introducing even modest gun legislation which could have saved hundreds or thousands of lives each year.
And tell me, what do you say when Trump can’t get something he wants through Congress?
Funny, the Paris accord was supposedly far too weak to prevent climate change
It was however a starting point, trump wanted to go back 10 paces.
And what do you say when Trump can’t get something he wants through Congress?
Given he is meant to be part of the party that controls congress and the senate then we call him lots of stuff like stupid, incompetent, inconsistent, unable to negotiate or listen for starters.
Failing to get a bill through on healthcare which they had nearly 8 years to think about was a spectacular failure - everyone wanted to kill it but nobody managed to make it happen.
On racism then yeah he got it all wrong because he didn't fix everything, or could it be there are more institutional racists in America than one man can fix in 8 years, at lest Trump is helping, sorry was that not helping, or helping but not helping but other people might be the problem. I would or wouldn't want to say
And tell me, what do you say when Trump can’t get something he wants through Congress?
If it's something I disagree with then I say **** him! My point was not broad but specifically related to modest gun control which I agree with.
On racism in the police, are you honestly pinning on going race issues in police departments at Obama's door? Be serious. Remember that black people were treated as second class citizens by law until very recent history. The election of Obama to try to break down race issues can only be a small but positive step. Eradicating institutional racism in America is a big tanker to try to turn around. I don't think Trump is the man to even attempt it.
How many people that voted for Trump thought that "making America great" meant telling the leader of Russia that you think your own intelligence agencies are not much use, and saying I believe you Mr Putin.
What positive steps is Trump making on climate change in response then?
ninfan, you do appear to miss point with monotonous regularity and then retort with a half baked whataboutery unrelated to the real issues.
@ninfan - did you miss this post?
Objecting to and fighting ILLEGAL immigration, defending your countries borders and being selective about who you let into your country isn’t racist.
No – so is the following not a racist statement?
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes…. Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else… Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
Much more here – https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
On the wider question, being skeptical of computer modelling that has got everything wrong so far isn’t a bad thing, and there is a strong chain of thought that concentrating resources on developing and strengthening resilience is a better solution than investing in fractional cuts in emissions in the first world while they continue to climb in second and third world nations.
Yes – that’s a good point regarding resilience, but… it wasn’t what I asked. He’s not exactly doing anything, regarding cuts or resilience. So… the original question remains.
And I think I know where the real sexism lies in fact here is a list.
Again, you’re avoiding the question, I wasn’t asking about the Canadian PM, Harvey or anyone else. We can discuss them in their own threads along with their merits – this thread is about Donald Trump.
On racism in the police, are you honestly pinning on going race issues in police departments at Obama’s door? Be serious. Remember that black people were treated as second class citizens by law until very recent history. The election of Obama to try to break down race issues can only be a small but positive step. Eradicating institutional racism in America is a big tanker to try to turn around.
Ah, so there you go, when Obama can’t change it, it’s because it’s a huge issue with deep roots that has been perpetuated by bothe sides of the political sphere (what was it LBJ said? “I'll have them n****rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years”)
I don’t think Trump is the man to even attempt it.
sounds good to me, better he concentrates on the things that will really improve it - eg. delivering the lowest black unemployment levels on record
@princejohn - the conversation has moved on, get over it, the fact that you didn’t like my answers doesn’t mean I haven’t answered you.... however, since you want to keep banging the drum, your quote is, in the words of Snopes,
it is, at best, a secondhand quote from a private conversation, written down years after the fact, and should be viewed “with some skepticism.”
lets see what someone else (who isn’t a disgruntled employee) reckons about Trump’s relationship with the black community:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J5lcART6TTE
Still no mention of Trump's inability to say the right thing or remember what he is meant to say, telling that isn't it....
I love it, ninfan now bigging up jesse jackson!
even ninfan doesnt seriously believe that Trump is somehow less racist than Obama, or that hes somehow better for the poorest
with income inequality now at its heghest ever levels & the tax cuts he cooked up with the republicans a bonanza for Americas wealthiest
whilst americans without healthcare at up by several million thanks to Trumpcare https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/16/americans-without-health-insurance-up-more-than-3-million-under-trump.html
Still no mention of Trump’s inability to say the right thing or remember what he is meant to say
Heard it all before
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tegb6WbK94g