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Persoanlly I think it is very important to know the depth and penetration (no not that one) of Russian involvement in the election, that is the main thrust of what is going on.
Lol, are you still whining about the election being rigged?
Its a fantasy - even Obama admits it:
“There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even — you could even rig America’s elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved,”
🙂
mmm, that was 2016 and I'm not sure anyone would agree anymore that the tools, skills and data are out there to allow elections to be influenced when they are close run. If interference didn't work then there would have been no point in taking any action
xx https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/us/politics/russia-election-hacking-sanctions.html
(sorry for munging the link but this stupid ****ing site turns it into a picture that can't be clicked on rather than just leaving the URL alone)
Lol, are you still whining about the election being rigged?
Who said it was rigged? Are you warming up for another 3 page semantic tantrum?
There certainly seems to be enough to keep Muller occupied and pressing charges
along with the guilty pleas it seems that a lot of people who were within the inner circle had non disclosed and illegal contact with the Russian government and money changed hands, I think we would all like to see the full extent of the investigation here.
Back before widespread social media, "rigging" an election required a physical act, usually to try to change the votes in the actual ballot box.
Today, it's a lot simpler to beam "suggestions" into peoples homes, especially when you target the people you already know are likely to be suggestible to those suggestions!
ie, you flash up an notice to a single mother with "TRUMP BACKS CHILDCARE"
or, to a guy who works in the steelworks "TRUMP PUTS INDUSTRY FIRST"
etc, etc.
And when you do that on a large scale, which with modern tech is easy (ie you send out literally MILLIONS of those notices) the effect is measureable.
Ninny’s obsession with Trump and ‘lefties’ is bordering on the pathological, it seems to me, his blindness to the clear deficiencies in Trump as a person and his ability to actually govern, becomes clearer with every post.
and meanwhile
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43526413
Hundreds of thousands of people are protesting gun in the US
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/977575434387906561
With opinions shifting it will take some level headed policy and leadership to react to this, there is a big chance if momentum is maintained this will be another huge issue in November,
blindness to the clear deficiencies in Trump as a person
Name me a person without flaws.
You,Ninny.
You are the perfect human paradigm of rigorous intellectual analysis,and rational argument.I feel a little light-headed,I'm just going for a lie-down.
Donald Trump, the man who claims to be Brave and Fearless, who would run, un-armed against a guy with a machine gun.
And yet, runs from a group of school kids who come protesting to his front door.........
If it was in Vermont,those kids could be legally carrying concealed handguns,without their parents permission,no wonder he's scared.
Friday after a head-spinning series of presidential decisions on national security, trade and the budget that left the capital reeling and his advisers nervous about what comes next.
The decisions attested to a president riled up by cable news and unbound. Mr. Trump appeared heedless of his staff, unconcerned about Washington decorum, or the latest stock market dive, and confident of his instincts. He seemed determined to set the agenda himself, even if that agenda looked like a White House in disarray.
Inside the West Wing, aides described an atmosphere of bewildered resignation as they grappled with the all-too-familiar task of predicting and reacting in real time to Mr. Trump’s shifting moods.
Aides said there was no grand strategy to the president’s actions, and that he got up each morning this week not knowing what he would do. Much as he did as a New York businessman at Trump Tower, Mr. Trump watched television, reacted to what he saw on television and then reacted to the reaction.
After Another Week of Chaos, Trump Repairs to Palm Beach. No One Knows What Comes Next. https://nyti.ms/2G7medv
I guess if you ran a business like that it would work really well
Lol, are you still whining about the election being rigged?
Are you still here?
well today's big journalistic topic should interest a lot of you's on here today. I dont think ive ever seen so desperate scraping the bottom of the barrel interviews like this before. As i said a few posts up it's cringey and embarrassing what these democrats are pulling on the american people now.
I dont think ive ever seen so desperate scraping the bottom of the barrel interviews like this before.
Do you not remember in the Obama era there was that utter nutjob who got spent five years getting loads of airtime and coverage by claiming that Obama wasn't really American and demanding that he publish his birth certificate? (and then claiming it was fake when he did publish it).
Wonder what ever happened to that guy?
I dont think ive ever seen so desperate scraping the bottom of the barrel interviews like this before.
Did you miss all the Fox love-ins with the Donald?
The porn star stuff certainly is cringey, bottom of the barrel stuff, but that's where we're at now, it seems. If you potentially have a president who fails to declare election-related expenditure after paying off his flings on the quiet, and perhaps even threatening them to keep quiet, then the American people have to look down into the gutter to see him.
In other news, when even some Media hack lawyer doesn't fancy representing you, you really do have problems.
As i said a few posts up it’s cringey and embarrassing what these democrats are pulling on the american people now.
What this bit?
*disclaimer: i support no political parties whatsoever, i just want normal news and tv back.
Who said this was democrats? This is accusations of illegal campaign finance, threats, pay offs and hypocrisy. For somebody not on any side you seem to think we should all keep very quiet about this?
This adds weight to a narrative of pay offs and silencing people with issues, and complaints.
This adds weight to a narrative of pay offs and silencing people with issues, and complaints
Like this doesn't happen in every department and industry in the whole world?
Like this doesn’t happen in every department and industry in the whole world?
You saying it's OK then? What about the campaign finance details above - thats illegal if proven
So your argument is that we should just accept corruption and law-breaking from world leaders because other people do it too?
You don't think it is important to hold them to account or try to ensure elections are as fair as possible?
Like this doesn’t happen in every department and industry in the whole world?
Perhaps. But you're the one who seems to think that alleged payoffs and threats from the 'Leader of the Free World'* aren't particularly newsworthy. Like many other people, I find potential criminal activity from a presidential candidate quite deserving of coverage. If that doesn't float your boat, then I believe the National Enquirer, run by Trump's pal, is unlikely to be running any of this kind of salacious tittle-tattle, despite paying six-figure sums to secure the rights.
The story is not that he put his bits into a porn star while a private citizen, although that may speak to his character. The story is that he may have financed her silence illegally during an election campaign, and even sent someone to threaten her to keep quiet about it. I'm not that interested in the adultery, that element of his character was readily apparent long before this.
It's the cover-up that gets you, not the initial event. I mean, what's so newsworthy about some two-bit burglary involving a bunch of Cubans at some Washington office block?
*other more suitable titles are available.
Also if the saucy revelations are too much just ignore them.
It's not ok , but what you gonna do. it's been going on since the beginning of time and will continue to. It didn't just start when Trump was elected. I'm sure if you scraped around you would find anything on every US congress person since the modern US was formed.My whole argument is that since he was elected in it's been a plastering match in every media outlet. I don't care about facts and figures, i just want this drivel of every airwave and channel until the next election comes along.
I don’t care about facts and figures
So you are a Trump voter then? 😉
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">My</span> whole argument is that since he was elected in it’s been a plastering match in every media outlet. I don’t care about facts and figures, i just want this drivel of every airwave and channel until the next election comes along.
Given his attacks on former presidents were continuous he is getting what he deserves, this is part of a much bigger story here, you seem to be missing that. The allegations are very serious and the consequences very high - the details are salacious but that isn't the point.
Care to add some facts and figures as to how much this is on every news channel?
Good luck with that then
The allegations are very serious and the consequences very high
and the proof remains very absent
more amusingly Trump cant find a lawyer to replace the one he just fired to defend him against the Meuller probe
I think we know where this is heading
and the proof remains very absent
Does it? We have a signed document between Miss Clifford and Trump's go to layer detailing confidentiality and a payment, she is prepared to go on the record on this - yeah she is willing to admit to sleeping with him, we have proof of the payments so either the lawyer paid from his own pocket because with no prompting he wanted to (bad news for him) or he did it under instruction from Trump (bad news for both) or it was meant to be paid back (bad news for all)
I'm happy for this to be investigated, if it turns out to be false then she should be held to account over that. Don't you think it's fair? Or should all allegations against a sitting president be ignored? (Putin/Silvio etc.)
the proof remains very absent
Michael Cohen (Trump's personal lawyer) admitted paying her off with $130,000
and he negotiated that settlement using a Trump organisation email account.
He claims that he did this on his own, with his own personal funds, without Trump's knowledge or consent, and was not reimbursed in any way.
Do you honestly believe that?
Is that what American lawyers understand by pro bono work Ninny ?
He claims that he did this on his own, with his own personal funds, without Trump’s knowledge or consent, and was not reimbursed in any way.
Now you put it like that I can't see how we all got the wrong impression of it all. We should all just ignore anything Trump does that isn't policy then, right all back to work.
Lets wait to see what lead he takes on gun laws or how his sexual harassment case progress
and a little warning going forward
Is that what American lawyers understand by pro bono work
Pro boning work, I think.
Is that what American lawyers understand by pro bono work Ninny ?
Might explain why apparently he is having difficulty finding a new lawyer.
Lets wait to see what lead he takes on gun laws or how his sexual harassment case progress
Funny to see that you didn't suggest we wait to see what effect him being controlled by the Russians has on whether he does anything about Salisbury
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/26/politics/us-expel-russian-diplomats/index.html
Who said he was being controlled by the Russians?
The more recent evidence shows that the Russians were using influence to spread disruption in the US and EU via interference in the elections, do keep up.
Though if you have any comments on the implication of the pay off's I'm sure it would be insightful
The more recent evidence shows that the Russians were using influence to spread disruption in the US and EU via interference in the elections, do keep up.
ah, reigning back from the 'collusion' accusations then eh?
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/26/politics/us-expel-russian-diplomats/index.html/a >
Presumably the last man in the room with Trump is now John Bolton, who is considerably more hawkish than his predecessor.
I guess if Russia does have any kompromat on Trump we get to find out pretty soon. Unless Putin considers the chaos Trump brings to the table more valuable than Mike Pence's prayerful reflection.
ah, reigning back from the ‘collusion’ accusations then eh?
Nope, parties withing the Trump Campaign have had a significant amount of inappropriate contact with the Russian government and their agents.That needs fully investigating. But head off down your little rabbit hole again if you want.
So what do you reckon to the campaign finance part of the Stormy Daniels case? How about the lack of a legal team to speak with Muller or the implication of trying to invoke Executive Privilege? So many strands to this at the moment.
Has Trump sent his fun campaign team home or is there enough people left in the Russian embassy to help him with the second term?
Ninny,I missed the bit where we all said he was being controlled by the Russians,cite or shut up.
Oh,you couldn't make it up could you? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43439731 Apparently he vehemently denies an affair,but is seeking damages for her breaching a non-disclosure agreement from 2016.What has she agreed to not disclose,if they haven't had an affair?
I thought he was a great negotiator? That seems to have faded away along with his legal team.
I'm sure I've read his lawyer saying "just because it isn't true, doesn't mean it's not harmful" effectively saying they bought silence, not to admit guilt. I can see this working, and believe it would be common practice. It appears that the NDA does exist, no one is denying it, the counter claim for $20m is due to breach<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">. Why it exists is another matter, and how it was paid for and whether that constitutes campaign funds.</span>
I guess the counter claim is pretty normal as well, enough noise and there's no doubt, enough money will silence the Stormy Daniels claims. I wonder if enough damage has been done. I suspect not.
I guess the counter claim is pretty normal as well, enough noise and there’s no doubt, enough money will silence the Stormy Daniels claims. I wonder if enough damage has been done. I suspect not.
Enough money needs to match the amount for telling it all too
If he paid her $130,000 to say nothing about nothing,one has to wonder how many other payments have been made?
Well there are the stories bought by the national enquirier and never published which also fall under that category, a very similar tactic to Harvey Weinstien
Sharky and George, it's complicated. Who knew? I've known George a long time, he's a great guy and he's doing a beautiful job.
Papadopoulos flipped months ago, Meuller been sitting on this for a while, unless he's just learning from Greek media now?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/mitchprothero/how-a-putin-ally-met-key-trump-officials-and-worried
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/monday-march-26-2018/5a908771f1cdb3416a515b11
Yeah, just a regular dad.... 😳😱
So another law suit on the go
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/28/politics/emoluments-lawsuit-trump-hotel/index.html
Meanwhile 5 law firms turned him down this week, ....
Oh, and don't forget possibly offering (via his former lawyer) presidential pardons all round, in case you were thinking of cooperating with Mueller...
Apart from being a slightly naive idea (even pardonees can be subpoena'd to testify, then indicted for any lies they tell), did they not think that this might be taken as interfering in a live FBI investigation?
PS Oh, and the hint, in an indictment of a London lawyer, that Mueller has been told Gates knowingly met a member of the Russian Intelligence Service in 2016. Raising the possibility that Mueller is gathering evidence that Trump's Campaign Chair and his aide had open channels with Russian Intelligence during the campaign.
That just about wraps up today's fun and games.
The more recent evidence shows that the Russians were using influence to spread disruption in the US and EU via interference in the elections, do keep up.
With the connivance of the NRA, and other Right-thinking American groups...
Nice to see such fine, upstanding folk supporting The Donald...
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/31/politics/nra-member-calls-parkland-survivors-liars/
I’m afraid there are no words I can post that won’t get me a stiff warning note.
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"These poor children, I'm afraid to say this and it hurts me to say this, but the evidence is irrefutable, they have no soul," he added.
Classy response from the ageing rockstar- that all kinds of batshit crazy
Classy response from the ageing rockstar- that all kinds of batshit crazy
That's about par for the course for Nugent: The guy is a grade A bell-end and has been spouting his right-wing bull-"""" for decades. I hope his bow and arrow backfires.
It's the other foot now, first victim were all the US blue collar workers making things with steel Now the pork industry, all to divert attention from muller, Daniels and the next smoking gun
Except he's shooting other people in the foot - he couldn't actually care less about those industries.
Eh? How is that shooting himself in the foot?
China can't ever ever win a tariff war with the US, because they have a $375 billion trading surplus.
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/how-americas-largest-local-tv-owner-turned-its-news-anc-1824233490
Eh? How is that shooting himself in the foot?
Step one, the us economy makes more dollars and employs more people using steel than steel making.
Step two, the next level sanctions impact more of trumps so called base over anyone else.
Do you need pictures or a fox news cartoon?
You still haven't explained how China can win a trade war with the US.
It's not about winning,there are no winners. Trump just hurt the us economy for no benefit
You still haven’t explained how China can win a trade war with the US
Because
They
Don't
Have
Elections
It's just about who will blink first
“It’s not about winning,there are no winners. Trump just hurt the us economy for no benefit”
Its all about the mid-terms & getting re-elected. The Trump heartland will lap it up blissfully unaware that historically trade wars have led to economic downturn & job losses. “Trump digs coal” is empty soundbite that sounds good but means nothing..
in short - it’s all about Trump & has SFA to do with US jobs...
. The Trump heartland will lap it up blissfully unaware that historically trade wars have led to economic downturn & job losses.
They lost a 20pt lead in one of those districts at the time he announced tariffs. The replicans historically don't like tariffs and he needs them out in big numbers to get anything from the mid terms.
He wants to pick a fight anx distract from his massive personal problems.
6 months is also long enough to feel some of the pain from these, a climb down before November would really hurt him
Given that trade between the US and China is pretty lucrative, how do you think that the Chinese will react to the US starting what amounts to a trade war?
Do you think that they'll simply say "it's a fair cop, gov", roll over and accept it, or do you think that they will counter it, perhaps in ways that hadn't been considered?
How do you think that this will play out?
Trump is being foolish , as per usual. Tarrifs on steel harms the US more than China and it does not even play well with mainstream republicans
He does not need to shore up his core vote as those loons will stick with him no matter what the facts say but he cannot get a second term, nor stop the GOP getting mullered in the upcoming votes, simply with those core voters. he needs to reach out to moderate voters. This is something he can neither do nor can he do it successfully so we wil be eft with this sort of show action to his core voters as he craves adulation - even if it is from ever decreasing numbers
Its strange times when China are being more moderate, diplomatic and committed to free trade than a US president
Ex-Skadden Lawyer Is Sentenced to 30 Days in Russia Inquiry
First one to prison, still obviously nothing to see here.
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom
Catchy name that sounds like types of Quarks 😉
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom
Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub
Trump is managing to make China look like moderates. Some skill that from the master of the art of the deal. he has to learn that countries, unlike campaniles, have pride and wont just take shit just to make money. He would do anything for money and I suspect he almost never meets anyone who is not of a similar view. This cannot end well for anyone and the longer it heats up the harder it is for Trump "trade wars are easy to win"* to back down
My suspicion is he is ratcheting up a trade war to make shit loads on stocks when he backs down.
* he may well be stupid enough to believe this as are his core voters - then again they thought Mexico would pay for the wall so not the most rational of folks
Cunning to target Soybeans
he has to learn that countries, unlike campaniles, have pride and wont just take shit just to make money
Well, other than a tory UK, May and co seem quite happy to suckle on his moobs.
Vs his biggest election gains, I'd say China are trying regime change by tariff
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There's nothing like a trade war to expose some of the frailties of what you thought was a flourishing economy. Trump and his advisers have seen recent US growth (and stock market gains) and assumed they were in a position to dictate terms to economies like China.
But with large swathes of the country dependent on agricultural exports, it will be interesting to see how much resilience and capacity for outlasting China there is in rural, Trump-supporting America.