So what will be the subject of the distraction tweet? J[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42793236 ]eff Sessions questioned in Mueller inquiry[/url].
Draining the swamp
and now he has no problem talking to Muller under oath, with the obvious "if my legal guys are happy" get out clause
Troll of the month award goes to...
Currently watching his Davos speech. Unfeasible levels of narcissism and self grandiosity.
The world's "least racist person" retweets racist material and when it's pointed out to him then he claims ignorance (the most believable part) and merely considers apologising.
Can’t wait for Trump an Mueller to get it on.
BTW The under oath stuffs just Trump bs it’s a criminal offence to lie to the FBI, no need to be under oath.
Hes not really grasped the difference between a civil and a criminal case and has not done his homework.
In December 2001, Enron filed what was then the largest corporate bankruptcy in American history. Just weeks later, Mr. Mueller, then the F.B.I. director; Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson; and the assistant attorney general for the criminal division, Michael Chertoff, formed the Enron Task Force, an elite team of F.B.I. agents and federal prosecutors assigned to investigate and prosecute crimes related to the Houston-based energy trader. Andrew Weissmann, who recently joined Mr. Mueller’s Russia team, later led the task force.
I Wouldn’t want this lot going thru my business affairs.
Currently watching his Davos speech. Unfeasible levels of narcissism and self grandiosity.
Sounds just like Blair.
Anyone watching this?
Whats the point? Anything he does badly on he will just deny saying, the lovers will still live him and he gets one step closer to lying to the FBI.
Horrific, toadying, sycophantic shite...
Any second now I can see piers going down on his knees, and sucking Donald off...
He reckons he gets Fanmail from people in the UK.
Aye fanmail.
Dear Donald..
Even Blair didn't blow his own trumpet the way Trump does !
Are people watching the piers Morgan thing?
He makes my skin crawl, im not sure I could watch him with the orange ****nugget
There is only one event I'd like to see live with piers and trump in a room together, maybe it could be set on a boat, titanic 2 watching them both try and push the other one off at the end would be fantastic
Watching the whole Jay Z/Trump thing really does nicely sum up the level of the debate.
Black unemployment rate looks like this:
Trump supporters blame Obama for the peak in 09/10, which clearly started in 2007 under Bush. Trump claims credit for the current record low level, the result of a steady fall which started in <2011>. Nobody seems to be able to a) look at or comprehend the numbers, b) understand cause comes before effect, c) remember there was a wee bit of a recession and maybe most importantly d) see that white unemployment is still 54% of white employment. It's supposed to be a triump that black unemployment has fallen below 7%- when white unemployment rises above 7% it means the economy's on its arse, it's only happened for about 7 years out of the last 45 years.
And this all about the president having a scrap with a rapper.
I am the least racist person that anybodys going to meet.
Well I never knew Piers Morgan had won the US Apprentice and worked for Trump. Interesting interview tonight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._season_7)
Celebrity Apprentice - based on the one the UK did for Comic Relief, strange how different some things sound with a key word missing 😉
A good interview. 🙂
Did they wear matching ties? Did they hug, who hugged longer, did he ask any difficult questions on policy or international relations or was it just a nicely scripted soundbite friendly love in?
Hard to see Piers doing anything to upset his special relationship.
It was hardly Frost Nixon but it was still a bit of a coup for Morgan. For years to come he'll be able look back at the day he interviewed the President of the United States and say 'For 15 minutes I wasn't the most odious man in the room.'
Golden. Love the cloud of green smoke blowing away from Snoop Dogg. 😀
Cassetteboy vs Morgan vs Trump
“For years to come he’ll be able look back at the day he interviewed the President of the United States and say ‘For 15 minutes I wasn’t the most odious man in the room.’”
😆
So the memo is going to be released...
Should be an interesting few years.
Under the cover of his soothing rhetoric about unity and bipartisanship, Trump called on Congress to give him unprecedented and unquestionably antidemocratic powers: “Tonight,” he said, “I call on the congress to empower every Cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers—and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people.”
By design, it is easy to overlook the true significance of the second half of that phrase. But dwell on it for a moment, and imagine what this would actually look like in practice. Under Trump’s proposal, any Cabinet secretary could decide that, say, a law enforcement official investigating the president had “undermined the public trust” or “failed the American people”—and fire him on the spot. In other words, Trump is calling for an end to any semblance of independence for the IRS, the FBI, the Department of Justice, or any other federal agency.
Boom!
"California congresswoman Maxine Waters, told MSNBC: "Why would I take my time to go and sit and listen to a liar"
Plus, of course, claiming that economic improvement that began under Obama is the result of his policies.
And of course it won't take long for his new-found conciliation to drown in the spite of his childish vindictive tweeting as he continues to change his mind every five minutes.
Not quite sure what "Boom" is supposed to mean, other than some random word attached to a video of a liar saying things that were written for him.
Boom!
Not standing for the National Anthem is not a protest about Patriotism
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<p style="padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline; background: #eeeeee; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444; margin: 1rem 0px !important;">Is that actually true? I haven’t seen it reported anywhere mainstream yet which would be surprising.</p>
and it was reported on Young TYTN
I don't think its mainstream enough news - no -one really cares about libor or policing banks.
Don't bother reading(572 pages but page 1 sets the scene) but Its a real thing
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-27563.pdf
and the first waivers were done under Obama a while back.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">“Plus, of course, claiming that economic improvement that began under Obama is the result of his policies.”</span>
http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy
Trump should at least get some credit! That's like the the kid at school in your group who doesn't help with the report but you let him colour in the front page.
Utterly humiliating for Melania, no wonder she wouldn't enter the state of the union or go to davos with him.
The porn star he shagged just after the birth of Baron joking on chat show about the size of trump's junk & denying the denial of it.
Also exposes the hypocrisy of his Christian right wing fanbase.
Wonder if Melanias pre-nup prohibits #MeToo tweets!?
<span style="font-family: 'PT Serif', serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: justify;">"Ultimately, the ethos of Obama’s economic outlook during his term seems to have been one of instilling a calm—if unspectacular—steadiness, one upon which new President Donald Trump can build. Indeed, it seems that the economy is the biggest gift that Obama has given Trump on leaving the Oval Office; despite his weak record on growth, Obama’s remarkable repair job on the economy means that Trump begins his tenure ideally positioned to bolster growth rates to historic average levels of around 3.3 percent"</span>
https://internationalbanker.com/brokerage/economic-impact-obama-presidency-2009-2017/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/politics/fact-check-sotu.html
Love a good fact check, as usual a mix of exaggeration, taking credit for others work, vagueness and lies. Some of the words that will be used to describe the "Disgraced Former President" is years to come 🙂
Boom!
and in other news...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/technology/amazon-berkshire-hathaway-jpmorgan-health-care.html
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Corporations are stepping up when government fails, could it be the time that the old corporate world is aligning itself with the right wing but it's actual power is failing, the big new CEO's don't share the values of the Republican party
Go on then, can somebody please explain to me what’s racist about this?
<span style="font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 14px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.</span>
Trunp in a wider context racist , his policies are. His portions of the speach don't reflect actual facts on borders too. He is demonising foreigners for his own political means. If you want to get into your usual derailment on technical meaning of racism just give up.
Some 'Very Decent People' expressing their definitely non-racist opinions....
I anyone surprised that Trumps policies may be* positively affecting the economy? He's giving huge tax breaks to corporations and to rich American's, he's eroding workers rights, commercial pollution and environmental controls etc etc - of course the nasdaq/dow is going to go up.
Unfortunately it seems like your average American doesn't understand that they themselves may not benefit from this (to the extent that the'll need to) in order to offset what it does to their healthcare, schools etc. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
In other news, the whole peesex thing is going to be in the headlines again soon I think..... if there's one thing the word needs right now - its a good peesex scandal
"<span style="background-color: #eeeeee; color: #444444; font-size: 16px;">Go on then, can somebody please explain to me what’s racist about this?"</span>
What makes you think there's anything racist about being against illegal immigration?
It's a pretty classic popularist move, no? Blame one group for all of society's ills.... unite the people in their hate of that minority?
If only there was an example of this being done before successfully? Can't think of one.....
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">If only there was an example of this being done before successfully? Can’t think of one…..
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<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; background-color: #eeeeee;">Some ‘Very Decent People’ expressing their definitely non-racist opinions….</span>
Does Obama's black panther support make him a a black separatist too?
Imagine if you have to try so hard to defend Trump you will say anything, see
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/charlottesville-timeline/
Some fine people on both sides, that's right Trump defended the White Supremacists who murdered innocent people
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: #eeeeee;">that’s right Trump defended the White Supremacists who murdered innocent people</span>
No, he quite literally did the opposite, go back and check, there isn’t a single statement that could in any way construed as “defending the white supremacists who murdered innocent people”
Its clear that, unlike you, he had the analytical and logical processing powers to understand that there were a variety of different people there with different aims and different beliefs, you know, like how not all Muslims are extremists and/or terrorists responsible for murdering innocent people.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
There you go ninnypillock.
Knock yourself out.
Love it, you link to a New York Times <u>opinion</u> piece says that Trump is a racist and has been one for years
The most prominent US civil rights campaigner seems to have viewed things differently
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wRvwkt31I
Glad you love it. Now try reading it.
So fun to watch the defenders squirming around, I'm sure they would all love to have him around for tea - well a maccas and coke.
Maybe 2018 will be his lucky year and he manages to get some legislation through if they don't get sick before the midterms....
For a guy who's not racist he's sure done and said a lot of racist things, maybe he thinks it means he doesn't enter races. Cos he's also stoopid.
People STILL defending Turnip? Sad!
One thing that I don't understand...
...if Trump isn't a racist and is the least racist person you'll ever meet, then why has he not condemned alt-right protestors in Charlottesville, including the self-proclaimed alt-right activist who killed an antifa protestor by driving over them with a car?
And whether or not you might judge the New York Times as "fake news" or not - certainly not all of the cited events are quoted in full context and it is an opinion piece (other points of view are available)- it would seem to me that racial prejudice is not exactly absent from Trump's campaign speeches https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
So if we have a hypothetical situation whereby a sitting president is dismissive of a judge's perceived bias because they may be of Mexican heritage ( http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/jun/08/donald-trumps-racial-comments-about-judge-trump-un/) does that then indicate that said president has tacitly acknowledged that they have indeed made comments that could be construed as racist?
ninfanMember
Go on then, can somebody please explain to me what’s racist about this?
Well, if it has to be explained to you, you clearly don’t understand.
"<span style="background-color: #eeeeee; color: #444444; font-size: 16px;">Trump defended the White Supremacists who murdered innocent people"</span>
No he didn't.
Are you six? Is that really the best response you can muster?
"why has he not condemned alt-right protestors in Charlottesville, including the self-proclaimed alt-right activist who killed an antifa protestor by driving over them with a car?"
Yes, why hasn't he?
oh....
"<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">Well, if it has to be explained to you, you clearly don’t understand."</span>
No, please, go on Counter, please tell me. why the quote above is racist - I'd genuinely appreciate it
Ah, hello Ninfan! Good to see you taking part old sport and playing along too.
What is your reaction to the suggestion that maybe Trump spoke out about the KKK after other foreign heads of state has expressed alarm at a domestic US situation? How would you analyse Trump’s speech in this context?
"the suggestion that maybe Trump spoke out about the KKK after other foreign heads of state has expressed alarm at a domestic US situation?"
An hour ago you claimed that he hadn't condemned them at all, now you're claiming he only condemned them because other people made him... Your chronology seems to be a little muddled - which is it?
It’s very impolite not to my question first.
I’ll happily respond once you’ve given us the benefit of your own view on the timing of Trump’s statement.
I admire your pedantry, if that helps?
Apologies, the timing and sincerity of Trump’s speech. I should’ve made myself clearer.
Felt to me like he was just clearing up the blatant misreporting of his earlier comments (which when you read them properly were unequivocal in drawing a distinction between the peaceful protesters exercising their right to free speech and the violent, intolerant extremists from both sides.
You’ll notice a clear pattern there PJM, the hysterical media reaction is almost always to what Trump is ‘perceived’ to have said or meant, with very little analysis of what his actual words were. It’s all very similar to the channel 4 Jordan b Peterson interview when you sit down and analyse it
Both sides, that’s an interesting point. If you’d allow me the indulgence, would you not agree that the protests in Charlottesville were one sided in that so far as I’m aware, none of the Charlottesville antifa protestors deliberately murdered anyone?
It’s a genuine question. Also, you haven’t commented on the passage of time between the Charlottesville protests and Trump’s statement? Would it seem to be half hearted given that Angela Merkel for example had already expressed unease?
Also, thanks for the clarity Ninfan. I’m aware of your presence in the Trump and Brexit thread, you do often make a very valid point (perception vs analysis), but is extremely hard to pin down your own view. I don’t know if it’s black and white, or nuanced or if you too secretly hold Trump’s conduct in disdain but you enjoy winding up a group of people whom you may or may not collectively identify as “lefties”?
There’s no right or wrong response to this, I just seek clarity.
My comment on the timing is as above, that he was clearing up the misreporting of the comments that were made on the day.
Regards one sided, no, they weren’t, there was violence on both sides (and peaceful protest on both sides too). The fact that (subject to what comes out at trial) one person did something either reckless, ridiculous or deliberate doesn’t weigh particularly heavy as representing murderous intent no others any more than, say, castigating all Muslims based on the actions of a few. (And remembering that ‘all muslims’ doesn’t just mean the ones coming from anarchic/violent countries (you know, shitholes))
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">“I don’t know if it’s black and white, or nuanced or if you too secretly hold Trump’s conduct in disdain but you enjoy winding up a group of people whom you may or may not collectively identify as “lefties”?”</span>
nothing in in life is black and white is it? (Even the Nazis did some good stuff) everything is nuanced and complex, the simplification hysteria and polarisation, particularly (IMO) coming from the left has destroyed rational debate over recent years - More often I’m genuinely opposed to the actual standpoint being taken here, but would admit to sometimes holding up a mirror to the ridiculousness of the STW echo chamber, because it’s sometimes so ridiculous that someone needs to.
you have to remember ninfan was originally arguing the car driver was attacked so expecting honesty from him in general, never mind his actual views, is not going to happen.
He will pretend a little so he can get his clarkson level joke in at the end mind...it was not worth the wait and felt laboured and forced.
That’s probably the most considered response I’ve read from you in any political thread. Honestly, I thank you for that.
My own perception of Trump, based on the evidence that I’ve tried to ascertain from a diverse group of sources (Art of the Deal, media on both sides of centre, Trump’s own speeches and the reactions of GOP senators alike) I’m not convinced that his statement was genuine. I could be wrong, but given his then Chief Whitehouse Strategist’s affiliation with the alt-right movement as head of Breitbart, I was concerned that Trump’s own sources were biased. I felt that he’d taken far too long to respond to a domestic protest, until he was forced into a corner by other heads of state seeking reassurance - I’m no expert in geopolitics, but it looks bad on the world stage if the US president had to be prodded into making a statement.
This is why I stated that Trump failed to condemn the actions of alt-right protesters.
I’ll give you an example of where I’m at: earlier today I replied in social media to a friend who lives in Baltimore about Trump’s state of the union address. I made a point that we’re living in very partisan times, that labelling people according to their political viewpoint dehumanises them and perpetuates tribal politics. I lamented that the warmth between Ted Kennedy and John McCain has become a relic of the past and that we all need to find common ground.
I kid you not, the response (from a gentlemen I’m not acquainted with) began with “But you libtards...”
So with the above in mind, would you allow me the indulgence (again - I apologise) of giving your point of view as to how Trump and the GOP are doing? How does Trumpisk fit with your worldview?
Dammit - am
prevented from a ninja exit - Trumpism.
You know what though, people like Nin will be the first up against the wall when Trump changes his mind about something. The poorer, less connected person can't offer Trump anything, he only cares about money, so if you haven't got money you are effectively worthless to him, so guess what, you get crushed under his (racist) foot when it suits him.
So don't be surprised to wake up one morning (delete as appropriate) behind a wall, in Guantanamo bay, choked by coal dust, underwater (global warming), or just persona non grata in Trumps swamp......
And don't come running to me complaining, i'm rich enough to just buy my favours from him if needs be! 😉
If Trump came out and said the most racist thing in the world and then shot someone of ethnic origin ninfan would be arguing about a spelling mistake in the press when they quoted Trump or the fact that they got the victims age wrong. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then it's better qualified to be president than Trump.
The forum snippiness helps no one and I genuinely would like to see us all being a little nicer to one another. It’s easy to dehumanise the person you’re debating with, outside of political threads we’re all much better behaved.
Jeez, nazi apologists^4
I) Charlottesville, if anything I would argue the opposite and say that his original statement was too early (facts are often unclear, see de menezes as an example) and that the earlier statement was ‘on the bounce’ due to press interest (and likely why it was even handed) but the facts don’t change, there were lots of fine people on both sides.
2) identity politics is toxic, both sides, however I think there’s far more hysteria, hatred and bile from the centre left mass than the centre right mass.
3) trumpism. A good look at trumps history told you from the start how it would go, peg a high watermark and bargain a compromise. Easy to forget that trumps critics on the right generally want him to be more extreme, whereas I think the crutica on the left are incapable of making a deal as they have resorted to “loss without limit” mindset (one for the miners strike geeks there). Essentially their real goal on, eg, DACA is a complete amnesty and unlimited chain migration (they need it to win future elections) (hey, they had an amnesty before, right) so they can’t compromise. Trumps deal on the table, DACA for the wall is eminently reasonable, they can’t pick it up