Down side is most of the American left are not really socialist
In America Liberal is a dirty word
America isn't the world, nor are they the leaders of the free world or the worlds policeman. Trump is exposing the truth of their ignorant self interest.
DrJ - MemberObviously that's totally nonsense - US military spending is completely independent of what anyone else (including the Germans) is doing. However - the hard-of-thinking will lap it up.
And right on cue:
The cue is
..just in case you didn't get it first time round
I know we have Andrea Leadsome but there are some american congressmen that are barely capable of strigning a coherent sentence together, maybe Trum isnt so unusual!
He just can't help himself
So no wiretapping from anyone and the FBI are investigating Trump's Russia links. I'm waiting for the distraction tweet and press confere....... squirrel!
Spicer saying no evidence of collusion...which is not what's happened.
Trump saying NSA and FBI said Russia didn't influenc election...which isn't what was said.
Ha
Trump is live tweeting thru the hearing
They stop to correct something he tweeted an hour ago.
Hilarious that he's caught out lying in real time
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/843892050424676356
Utterly bizarre
Well a quick morning catch-up reveals it goes exactly as expected. Cornered and under pressure it's time to keep play the innocent victim. Shame most people are not listening, and shame the investigation may take a long time, plenty of time for people to decide of they need to look for another job.
That twitter video is quite interesting. I wonder if we'll see more live bullshit detection aimed at Trumps Tweeting
That twitter video is great! There needs to be more of that. It's outrageous and incredibly damaging how Trump has been able to lie with impunity
Awesome.....
Question is, was that a deliberate, bare-faced lie from the Donald (perhaps his most blatant yet)? Or was he not really paying attention and misunderstood what was being said, before deciding to tweet about it to the whole world?
So either a liar or an idiot - or maybe both?
Just in case you were concerned that nothing made has happened today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39335887
She's got have somewhere suitable to sell her foreign made clothes.
Any other shops opening branches in the Whitehouse?
I think we are witnessing the birth of a dynasty
President Trump will be the first female president, after her dad
followed several terms(the law will be changed) later by Baron Trump....
That's only three, who's the fourth horseman?
Baron Trump...
I did read someplace that Donald phoned the queen to discuss the state visit (remember that?) and mentioned in passing that he quite fancied being King Donald. The queen pointed out you need a kingdom to be a king. So the so-called president said maybe he fancied being Emperor Don the First. Queenie pointed out you need an empire to be an emperor. President Tinyhands was at a bit of a loss then and asked the queen if she had any suggestions
"Well," she said "you've got a country and you seem to be a bit of a .. "
I'm beginning to feel sorry for him.
I'm beginning to feel [s]sorry for him[/s] quiet despair.
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[/img]Well, maybe not so quiet.
Some have gone quiet...
the front on reaction of the NSA man is even better than that twitter video Its worth a look and would make an excellent GIF if anyone has the skills
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/20/fbi-director-comey-confirms-investigation-trump-russia
2min 42 on the video on there - cannot link direct to it but worth a look.
the opening statement in that video is interesting I presume "special circumstances" is code for Hilary Clinton 😉
Some have gone quiet...
IMO, Trump supporters/apologists are to be treated the same as flat-earthers, creationists and (ironically) climate change deniers.... engaging with them is making us all collectively dumber.
Like climate change deniers - his supporters are so absolutely entrenched in their position, it seems like there is no possible piece of evidence, lie, misdeed or scandal that would make them change their mind.
Or to use his own words:
“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters”
Like climate change deniers - his supporters are so absolutely entrenched in their position, it seems like there is no possible piece of evidence, lie, misdeed or scandal that would make them change their mind.
And I would say "back at you" - Trump's opposition are so convinced he is, literally, Hitler, that there is no possible piece of evidence, truth, good deed or act that he could perform which would make them change their mind.
The hypocrisy is palpable: "lack of evidence supporting wiretapping allegations" = Trump is lying, whereas "lack of evidence of collusion with Russia" = Trump is still guilty.
I'm reminded of the words of Margaret Thatcher - [i]"If my critics saw me walking over the Thames, they would say it was because I couldn't swim"[/i]
I'm not a trump fan or supporter. Just firmly in the wait and see camp. But after reading this thread and and other guff especially on social media ninfan hits it straight on the head.
I'm reminded of the words of Margaret Thatcher - "If my critics saw me walking over the Thames, they would say it was because I couldn't swim"
perhaps it's time to let him get on with the job sink or swim, because nothing said on an inconsequential cycling forum will make a blind bit of difference.
[quote=ninfan ]And I would say "back at you" - Trump's opposition are so convinced he is, literally, Hitler, that there is no possible piece of evidence, truth, good deed or act that he could perform which would make them change their mind.
Of course you would, because just like your messiah you don't care much about truth or accuracy.
[quote=taxi25 ]I'm not a trump fan or supporter. Just firmly in the wait and see camp.
So are you still waiting to see whether he will lie at every opportunity, enrich himself, be massively hypocritical and appoint totally unsuitable people to executive positions?
So are you still waiting to see whether he will lie at every opportunity, enrich himself, be massively hypocritical and appoint totally unsuitable people to executive positions?
I guess he's waiting to see whether he starts gassing muslims, instigates a nuclear war or begins grabbing the pussies of passing diplomats.
Trump's opposition are so convinced he is, literally, Hitler, that there is no possible piece of evidence, truth, good deed or act that he could perform which would make them change their mind.
Er.... no.
People are drawing parallels between their populist behaviors (particularly in Hitler's rise to power), which is entirely valid.
But you correct in one respect: the amount of sh*t he's coming out with on an almost daily basis is SO overwhelming, that (ironically) he'd literally have to walk on water to convince anyone with a passing relationship with morality that he's not exactly as awful as he appears.
But ok then..... try to convince me.... go ahead and list his "good deeds" and we'll see how that stacks up against the other side of the equation.
I Should warn you "Bragging to his mates about perpetrating serial sexual assault" is going to require something quite special to ballance.... but it's interesting to see what you think does.
Trump's opposition are so convinced he is, literally, Hitler
Yep. From the alt right school of facts that if you say it 3 times its true.
We can go on his actions and comments.
We can go on the word of the FBI and investigations that there are no facts or evidence of wire tapping and he made it up. On allegations of collusion with Russia they delicately put it that there was no hard evidence yet but an awful lot of coincidences that needed explanations.
In the words of good old Kellyanne that being under 2 FBI investigations was a very bad thing indeed.
ninfan:
Trump's opposition are so convinced he is, literally, Hitler
Almost as impressive as your attempt to attribute rising employment stats to the Orange Blob when they are obviously the current result of the Obama presidency.
"Literally", eh?
Please quote your source that Adolf Hitler didn't die in 1945 and is living in disguise in the White House...
Trump's opposition are so convinced he is, literally, Hitler
Just because we call him 'Wotsit Hitler'! 😆
"lack of evidence of collusion with Russia" = Trump is still guilty.
well, you're fond of pedantry and that statement in't true is it? Go back and read what the FBI actually said.
Meantime, while Trump can't fill his cabinet, [url= https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/22/rex-tillerson-i-didnt-want-this-job ]Tillerson didn't even want the job anyway[/url] Given that he's finding that he's being increasingly sidelined (He wasn't even told that the Mexican Foreign Secetary was visiting the White House, how long before he decides it's not worth it?
I agree I'm unsure why we're conparing trump to Hitler purely because of the similarity in the things they do and say, seems ridiculous.
With the caveat that she's a Democrat, and that she might just be playing the same media games that the administration is...
With the caveat that she's a Democrat, and that she might just be playing the same media games that the administration is...
Exactly this, I would have thought. Besides, the idea that Trump would resign under any circumstances seems improbable.
The Dems are equally capable of exactly the same misdirection and smearing as Trump's team. Perhaps they are just a bit more practiced at it. 🙂
^ I agree that "soon" is a bit of a reach..... but I do think that Trump having the mother of all flounces, and resigning within his first term is not beyond the realms of possibility. I honestly dont think he knew what he was letting himself in for - I think he probably expected emperor-esque absolute authority. Having people scrutinise his every move, expose every flaw and try to block him at every turn is probably getting right on his thrupneys.
Worth a listen - warning to the ALT RIGHT - this includes intelligent women having discussions about things. It's a bit lefty but it's also fairly accurate on it's facts and has some experienced people in there.
One of the recurring themes is if he thinks it's been hard so far give it a month or so until he needs to work with congress.
People often say to me "Trump isn't a politician, don't expect him to speak like one".
The thing is, Trump isn't just a politician, he's the president of the United States and as such has huge responsibilities as demanded by the office. A turn of phrase can have disastrous effect on business' share price or the social fabric. Quite a few people here have confused the role of President with that of a dictator.
Aside from the "make America great again rhetoric", I'm confused as to what Trump apologists actually expect him to improve and or fix based on the evidence so far.
My fave trump tweet so far is the " who knew healthcare was so complicated"
People often say to me "Trump isn't a politician, don't expect him to speak like one".
I would respond "that's why he's totally put of his depth".
[quote=tjagain ]My fave trump tweet so far is the " who knew healthcare was so complicated"
+1 - I presume lots of people replied "everybody but you".
I would respond "that's why he's totally put of his depth".
That's my standard response, but I'm trying to understand why some hitherto respected colleagues and friends have greeted his election with enthusiasm.
Just firmly in the wait and see camp.
I posted this a few pages ago, what are you waiting to see?
Remember when the President said he wasn't going to take a salary? He just accepted his second paycheck.
Remember when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall? He has asked Congress to appropriate the $25 billion of taxpayer money to cover costs.
Remember when he said he wasn't going to go on vacation or play golf like Obama? 5 of the last 7 weekends he went on vacation and played golf, costing taxpayers $11.1 million each time.
Remember when he said he was going to use American steel to build these dangerous pipelines? Russian steel arrived last week for the Keystone Pipeline XL.
Remember when he said he wasn't going to cut social security and Medicare? The Republican bill does just this.
Remember when he said that nobody on his campaign had any communications with the Russian government? 7 of his people have now admitted they spoke and/or met with Russian officials...after they lied and got caught.
Remember when he said he was going to divest from his businesses? Changed his mind.
Remember when he said he was going to release his tax returns? Changed his mind.
Remember when he said he was going to drain the swamp of Washington insiders? His cabinet is filled with lobbyists, billionaires, as well as Big Oil and Wall Street executives, many from Goldman-Sachs. Yes, THAT Goldman-Sachs.
Remember when he said would defeat ISIS in 30 days? He doesn't have a plan.
[quote=BigButSlimmerBloke ]what are you waiting to see?
I can only assume he's waiting for the truth, good deeds and acts which according to ninfan will change the minds of those who aren't biased like us.
That's my standard response, but I'm trying to understand why some hitherto respected colleagues and friends have greeted his election with enthusiasm.
Comedic value I imagine.
The Great Orange Biggly-Wiggly hasn't tweeted about the Westminster incident yet!
Must be having an off day.
Hasn't been reported on Fox and Friends yet.
I'm guessing Fox News haven't reported on it yet.
edit: damn you martinhutch
It is on Fox. So not long to wait.
Appreciate everyone is a bit distracted by yesterday's horrific events and rightly so, but it's worth paying attention to what's happening with Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort.
Won't go into too much detail at the moment, but it connects a hell of a lot of dots.
What you mean this?
https://nyti.ms/2mSSxSW
No need to drip feed say what you have read.
I’m also told (not by a Democrat!) that there’s a persuasive piece of intelligence on ties between Russia and a member of the Trump team that isn’t yet public.The most likely scenario for collusion seems fuzzier and less transactional than many Democrats anticipate. A bit of conjecture:
The Russians for years had influence over Donald Trump because of their investments with him, and he was by nature inclined to admire Vladimir Putin as a strongman ruler. Meanwhile, Trump had in his orbit a number of people with Moscow ties, including Paul Manafort, who practically bleeds borscht.
The Associated Press reports that Manafort had secretly worked for a Russian billionaire close to Putin, signing a $10-million-a-year contract in 2006 to promote the interests of the Putin government. The arrangement lasted at least until 2009.As The A.P. puts it, Manafort offered to “influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government.” (Manafort told The A.P. that his work was being falsely portrayed as nefarious.)
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/manaforts-plan-greatly-benefit-putin-government?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam
Ap story
batfink
I think he probably expected emperor-esque absolute authority.
Consider his background:
He was born into a rich family. The Buisness empire his father managed was hugely successfull, and had vast resources. I'd imagine his upbringing included pretty much getting everything and anything he wanted, when he wanted it. As the son of a multi-billionaire, he would have be surrounded by "yes" people, paid to say yes.
When he inherited his fathers empire, he became No1 and will have been surrounded by yet more 'Yes-men' Surrounded by those people, who did what he said, no matter what, in order to further their own gains (financial or power) Look at his current support team of narcissistic, immoral, and frankly horrible people.
There is no real evidence to suggest he is actually a very good businessman. When you inherit billions of dollars tbh, you don't need to be any good. Unlike self made millonaires, who work every hour they have to build their business, Trump just flys round in his jet, plays golf, and spouts rubbish. he made massive losses in the 90's, only survived because he had so much money in the first place. Those loses also allowed him to write down significant dept generated by poor business decisions.
Fast forward to 2017 and the White House and it's business as usual, except that outside of his flawed support team, most of the people are not influenced by personal gain from his position, and so are much more critical of his actions, and very ethos. After years of "getting his own way" this time he's come across the real world. the world where being a good politician, being a good business man, in fact, just being a good person actually matter. And so far, as expected, he's made a right awful mess of everything he's tried to do.
^ yes exactly..... that's why I think an uberflounce is inevitable at some point: he's just not cut out for it, which is eminently obvious to anyone with half a brain.
which is eminently obvious to anyone with half a brain.
..which kind of rules out old tangerine tanman
I've been chuntering from day 1 that he won't make a full term. I predict his supporters will start to wane in thier ability to overlook mistakes and lies when the promised transformation hasn't happened a couple of years in.
They will turn on him as viciously as he rails against his opposition.
At which point he will either be impeached or flounce.
I predict his supporters will start to wane
Start!? Start!?
He's got the lowest approval ratings ever!
Still good approval ratings among republicans tho, which does not speak highly of them !
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39375123 ]US healthcare bill: Blow for Trump as House vote delayed[/url]
[url= http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obamacare-idUSKBN16U14Q ]Healthcare vote postponed[/url]
Markets not liking it
30 to 40 votes needed apparently...
And
Moments before reports surfaced that the vote would be delayed, Trump told trucking industry executives at the White House that "today, the House is voting to replace the disaster known as Obamacare." Asked about the postponement reports shortly after, Trump shrugged, according to The Associated Press.
😆
Has anyone less fit to govern ever been top dog in a democratic country? Burlusconi? I don't think even he was as bad
Has anyone less fit to govern ever been top dog in a democratic country?
I'd say there has been quite a few- even in very recent times Rodrigo Duterte, Park Geun-hye and maybe even Dilma Rouseff spring to mind. However, it is prob fair to say that Trump is the by far the biggest looney in any of the OECD democracies
Trump very much resembles the populist, obfuscatory type of leader that, unfortunately, you are more likely to find in one of the more politically unstable, corrupt and comparatively economically undeveloped countries. Someone pretty much nailed it when they said that the US has just elected its first banana republic president
I suspect that somewhere in America highly trained members of the security services are already practicing their one shot kills at range.
Rich Hall's 60 Days of Trump may amuse a few on here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04xsbfc
And yes, plenty of comparisons to Hitler to keep ninfan happy 😆
Has anyone less fit to govern ever been top dog in a democratic country? Burlusconi? I don't think even he was as bad
Julius Caesar?
Rome was a democratic republic (albeit with a very limited electorate) in which he was elected quaestor of Spain. Where he happily enriched himself until he was able to cross the Rubicon at the head of his army.
Thanks for posting, meant to watch that when it was on. 🙂 Edit - thought it was a TV thing - radio's even better, ta! 🙂
Friended with some MXing Americans (which means they're about as red neck as red neck can be), and stunned that people can still give Drumpf such vehement support.
Since the news from the opponents about President Trump is so accurate would anyone of you wish to bet? How long do you give President Trump then we bet? Don't have to bet more than £10 if you are unsure. 😛
The best/worst thing about the healthcare bill knockback is that for Republicans it's not shitty enough to poor people. Who voted for Trump.
would anyone of you wish to bet?
I have no idea how long Donald Trump will remain US president but I'm willing to bet that you'll still be talking shite in four years time.
I think he'll go full term, he'll just get slowly muzzled by criticism from his own party, and general global mockery, he'll be unable to do anything too nuts, and be quietly ushered out of the back door by the republicans who'll play the whole thing down and pretend it never happened.
But he'll make a nice chunk of cash out it during the trip, which I suspect was his end game all along.
I'll bet 2 pints of fine ale on that.
😆 C'monnn ...ernie_lynch - Member
would anyone of you wish to bet?
I have no idea how long Donald Trump will remain US president but I'm willing to bet that you'll still be talking shite in four years time.
mattyfez - Member
But he'll make a nice chunk of cash out it during the trip, which I suspect was his end game all along.I'll bet 2 pints of fine ale on that.
Most Presidents will make a nice chunk regardless ...
Ok, a huge chunk, a great chunk, a big chunk. It's gonna be great. (for his bank account).
Ok, a huge chunk, a great chunk, a big chunk. It's gonna be great.
That sounds like Trump-talk to me........needless repetition.
he'll just get slowly muzzled by criticism from his own party, and general global mockery, he'll be unable to do anything too nuts
I agree - but I would imagine Donald's response to this will be indignation/fury/random-pulling-of-levers-and-pressing-of-buttons rather than begrudging acceptance. Hence why I think we could see the world's biggest flounce.
But he'll make a nice chunk of cash out it during the trip, which I suspect was his end game all along.
I certainly agree with that - but I also think that's the Democrat's best opportunity to tie him in knots with hearing-after-hearing about conflicts of interest.... having not divested his businesses, he's left himself very exposed.
maxtorque - Memberhe made massive losses in the 90's, only survived because he had so much money in the first place.
Not even that- the only reason the casino businesses survived in 1990 was an illegal loan from his dad. Corrupt Trump! SAD.
That sounds like Trump-talk to me........needless repetition
That was kinda the point, lol!