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jambalaya - MemberLifer read it on a mainstream media webpage somewhere a few days ago
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Will try and find it again, it must be somewhere on my history
Or, the Mail (boo, hiss etc)
It's nice to know that some small amount of good night come from 2 egomaniacal sociopaths
Especially when the stated aims of the charity are fighting against the kind of divisive hate fueled rhetoric they both use to further their own ends
the Royal Commonwealth Society seeks to encourage young people to develop their skills and, with an increased understanding of their role as global citizens, to engage with challenges facing the international community. It aims to bring alive the fundamental principles of the modern Commonwealth-–tolerance, diversity, freedom, justice, democracy, human rights and sustainable development-–to a generation living in an increasingly interconnected world.
Proceeds are going to charity but are split between the agency and the photographer (also Farage's aide) so is it Wigmore's cut that's being donated or both?
Plus Wigmore himself is the only source for the amount raised. Fair enough if true but is this not a case of the 'virtue signalling' that has so been decried by the right wingers on here in the past?
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Still denying the Russian involvement in the hacking
Saw the news footage of him being doorstepped on this issue and his response rang a few alarms...
To paraphrase, "I know a lot about hacking, and hacking is really difficult to prove". Sounds an awful lot like someone who may have used such methods in the past...
Sounds an awful lot like someone who may have used such methods in the past...
For me it seemed more like he has no idea what he was talking about but was attempting to muddy the waters in case the reports all say it was Russian organised support for his campaign SAD FACE
To paraphrase, "I know a lot about hacking, and hacking is really difficult to prove". Sounds an awful lot like someone who may have used such methods in the past...
Sounds like someone who's repeating an overheard conversation and regurgitating it in order to sound knowledgeable, when, in fact, they're not.
Trumps huge, but delicate ego could never publicly admit that he might have been helped to victory by Russian hackers.
His normal recourse would be to sue the crap out of anyone who in any way slighted him as he has done 100s (1000s?) Of times in the past.
He can't sue the FBI, CIA and NSA though
He's just assuming he can bury it once he's inaugurated
Given his whole cyber security spiel during the election cycle was that his son had a computer and was really smart...
I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that's true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester, and certainly cyber is one of them.
I wouldn't read much into the above statements. I think as said, he's probably just trying to muddy the water a bit.
Jambalaya you said the picture had raised £200,000 for charity, your source says £4000. Did you maybe Trumpify the details a bit?
Wigmore said £4k in November, £200k end of December.
[quote=akira said]Jambalaya you said the picture had raised £200,000 for charity, your source says £4000. Did you maybe Trumpify the details a bit?
It wasn't jamba's source. And the Mail link (boo, hiss etc) has the 200K claim.
If it happens then good but previous Trump charity dealings don't inspire me with confidence. Coming shortly after the 350 million for the nhs if past form is anything go by.
Hacking. Quite a lot of interesting articles. One says the Chinese have been far more agressive over past 12 months but no diplomatic action ? Amusing piece here on Obama / expulsions
Slightly more serious, Why did Trump win and more importantly why did Clinton lose (she got 6m fewer votes than Obama in 2008 and 10m fewer than in 2004, Democrats did not turn out for her)
Has Trump being sued for $300m by Deutsche Bank been done yet?
Interesting since his goverment will have to hold them to account for being a right bunch of bankers.
Slightly more serious, Why did Trump win and more importantly why did Clinton lose (she got 6m fewer votes than Obama in 2008 and 10m fewer than in 2004, Democrats did not turn out for her)
She got more votes than Trump
Wilburt have not heard that - will search it out. Deutsche did just agree an eye watering $7bn fine for sub-prime related shenanigans. EDIT: he was neber being sued, it was a potential "conflict of interest" (never was in my mind) but thats all mute now as Deutsche has agreed fine.
Hacking. Seems to remind a lot of commentators of the "intelligence" behind Iraq's-WMD
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439
Probably the most comprehensive list so far of the level of involvemnt he has around the world with business deals tied to banks, politicians and governments.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/tracking-trumps-web-of-conflicts/
It's a lot of unpicking really and leaves him very open to having any of his decisions challenged and questioned as to it's motives or when a foreign government suddenly makes something happen for a Trump Company.
Re hacking - Trumps shafted himself
After a statement as stupid as that even if the democrats are just cynically using the to deligitimise him, the story is not going to go away.
Add to mike's list of his labrynthine business interests, he's going to have to devote plenty of tweets to putting out these fires.
If the Apprentice n-word out takes ever get past his legal threats,there will be riots and real fires to put out too.
He's already the most expensive president elect the US taxpayers ever known, it's gonna be a shitshow !
He'll fill up the swamp with his puppets, make a few changes that suit him and his family then get bored and stand down possibly using pressure over his conflict of interests as an excuse.
Somewhere here there's a warning about democracy and the sort of people who can get into power by manipulating modern media.
If the Apprentice n-word out takes ever get past his legal threats,there will be riots and real fires to put out.
I assume the legal cost implication was to start the bidding war and give prople an idea of the price, of course we could just ask Russia to hack them and release them for us...
Kimbers, how has shafted himself with that ? The Russians didn't really hack the Democrats they sent a basic "Nigerian" phishing email and the guy clocked on the link. Bingo ! Stupid is as stupid does as they say in the US.
@wilburt that's taking the wishful thinking into fantasy land. The one thing we can all agree on is Trump has a massive ego. He is going to milk the Presidency for all he can profile and powerwise. He's going to run for a second term in 2020
That [i]is[/i] hacking! What did you expect?
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Any good hacker knows that the weakest part of any decent security is the meatbag sat at the keyboard. That's often the first line of attack.
Stupid is as stupid does as they say in the US.
There is a world of difference from a generic Nigerian phishing mail ("Greetings I am Prinse Azeem of Cambridge") and a proper individually-targeted "professional" spear-phishing email.
Also don't forget that the Republicans were also (apparently) hacked.
He is going to milk the Presidency for all he can profile and powerwise.
As we all thought it's got nothing to do with the people of the USA and making their lives better. It's about stroking the ego and filling the pockets of Trump and his Trumpettes.
a generic Nigerian phishing mail ("Greetings I am Prinse Azeem of Cambridge")
Someone told me (hearsay alert) that the obvious nature of these mails is a useful first line filter - anyone dumb enough to not spot the scam immediately is also dumb enough to pay over money without wising up half way through and wasting the scammer's time.
Following up with a very interesting opinion piece from today around this question of a lie and intent.
I’d be careful about using the word, “lie.” “Lie” implies much more than just saying something that’s false. It implies a deliberate intent to mislead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/02/yes-donald-trump-lies-a-lot-and-news-organizations-should-say-so
Of course there are varying levels of this around from dodging the question to out and out calling the sky yellow and grass being made of metal but for me it goes to a few levels, if you didn't bother to check what you claim is fact then it's either naive or lazy. Both maybe are not as bad as deliberately being misleading but in the circles of power etc. you are either not taking the time to be informed or the people informing you are not up to their jobs - both a fairly bad thing for a leader.
To continue to repeat a lie in the face of overwhelming evidence comes next, to just try and shout down the evidence and pretend it doesn't exist - the climate denyer strategy of picking the sub sample of data, quoting the outlier and out right manipulation are becoming more common.
Then the Brexit one where we are urged to address peoples fears regardless of how baseless they are regarding things like immigration, why bother educating when you can scare people.
Yes we probably did this to death in the days of post truth threads but this ain't going away unless the press are strong and independant, have the conviction and hold people to account.
The question would be, if not Russia, then who hacked the DNC, releasing info just before the election, to the detriment of Clinton and benefit of Trump.
(Where the Reps really hacked too?)
Obvs its a big claim to say it was Russia, beyond the odd Russian domain name and bits of script in Cyrillic, and DCleaks Russian ties, and snowden and assange's own Russian state involvements...
Still that is all circumstancial. There is no hard link of Russian gov to the hacks,
that'd have to be intercepted communications between someone in power and the hackers.
If that's what the CIA is sitting on then fair enough, I believe Trump was being briefed on the specifics today, I wonder how he will respond?
It might not have been Russia, plenty of other countries might benefit from having such an easily manipulated, inexperienced, destabilising narcissist in the White House.
Clearly it was the Chinese who wanted Trump to win because ...
oh ...
hang on a mo ...
This why Trump doesn't do press conferences or interviews- they couldn't/wouldn't publish the lies he comes out with.
By using twitter and is own productions he can say what he likes unmediated.
If he was elected the leader of a smaller nation, the US would be calling him a Tin Pot Dictator, telling lies, putting his family in office, creating division, spreading fear etc
If he was elected the leader of a smaller nation, the US would be calling him a Tin Pot Dictator, telling lies, putting his family in office, creating division, spreading fear etc
Not necessarily, the US has supported corrupt lying politicians who have seized power the world over.
They would only denounce him if he wasn't serving US interests.
(Where the Reps really hacked too?)
Seems so yes.
Here are reports in the mainstream liberal media:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-illinois-republican-party-email-hack-met-1212-20161211-story.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38325364
Here are the complaints that the mainstream liberal media didn't report it:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/liberal-media-refuses-report-republican-party-hacked-just-like-democrats/
And here's the Republicans denying that it happened:
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/gop-chair-rnc-emails-were-not-hacked-731731523520
Now the only way to know that you were not hacked is to know the people doing the hacking....
You know no smoke without fire and all that
I see the Reps are preparing the way for the trump presidency.
Hahaha, drain the swamp, my arse!
Sadly I suspect that for a good number of GOP voters [i]"ethics"[/i] falls under the same woolly-liberalism as [i]"militant pc culture"[/i].
See also "human rights" (and watch the same thing happening in the UK)
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On the leaks thing, [url= https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ ]Craig Murray[/url] claims it was an inside job - someone in the Democrat party cheesed off with all their crooked ways.
The Russians might well be busily hacking the DNC (and anyone else they can hack), but they're not the source of the leaks.
On the leaks thing, Craig Murray claims it was an inside job - someone in the Democrat party cheesed off with all their crooked ways.The Russians might well be busily hacking the DNC (and anyone else they can hack), but they're not the source of the leaks.
shirley they would be able to trace this person pretty easily? if they are constantly monitoring wikileaks traffic they must know who the source is
"Hacks" just show the Democrats to have poor security / stupid staff. Democrats ran out of excuses as they had the most money (double), they had the most experienced candidate (lifetime in politics vs none), they had almost all the mainstream media (even Fox was pretty hosttile to Trump) ... so last staw clutching excuse was "it was the Ruskies what did it"
Trump's win demonstrates quite clearly that the political establishment is in big trouble, more money/experience and media where not enough.
Trump's win demonstrates quite clearly that the political establishment is in big trouble, more money/experience and media where not enough.
Yes but not for the reasons you think, the problem is him.
Loving the in depth analysis of the exact way the hacks went down and the absolute certainty that nothing else was hacked. I would suggest to know all that your either in the CIA/FBI or a hacking group. Otherwise it's just making stuff up and claiming it's fact really.
"Hacks" just show the Democrats to have poor security / stupid staff.
As above, the Republicans were hacked too.
(Also have The Deplorables not learnt that name-calling your opponents doesn't really achieve anything 😉 )
so last staw clutching excuse was "it was the Ruskies what did it"
So do you reckon the CIA, the FBI and the Department for Homeland Security are all Democrat stooges then?
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312132-fbi-dhs-release-report-on-russia-hacking
Perhaps the hacking of the Republican Party was less successful, maybe they didn't use silly things like unsecured private servers to handle state secrets?
Or perhaps the hacking of the republicans just didn't reveal anything embarrassing?
Either way, the 'we only lost the election because the Russians hacked our emails' is just the latest in a series of excuses, see also 'the Russians hacked the vote machines' and 'republican vote fraud' which were going to be revealed by Jill Stein forcing a recount (anyone remember how that worked out BTW?)
It's understandable, it's a way of rationalising their loss, and is vital to them because they just can't believe/understand/conceptualise that so many people have different (and, therefore incorrect) beliefs and opinions from them, there has to be a nefarious explanation to their loss, as to admit their own understanding and analysis of what people wanted was so very, very wrong shakes their very foundations to the core
See Brexit for the same psychology at play, people only voted to leave in such numbers because they were tricked by leave campaign lies, not because they simp,y don't share the same priorities and belief as the remainders.
ninfan, same question as jamba: are you claiming that the CIA, the FBI and the Department for Homeland Security are all Democrat stooges?
Ninfan this isn't about who won and lost, if a foreign power such as Russia was actively attempting to influence the course of a US election through deliberate cyber attacks its news.
It's actually quite a big thing, as you can see by Trump's complete fingers in ears denials he knows its massive it means that people should really be questioning why his best mate in the world seems to be Vladimir Putin, invader of he neighbours, quasher of free speech, oppressor and manipulator along with having blood on his hands from the shooting down of mh17. Can't be a coincidence that Trump wants to smooth things over for his pall at ExxonMobil to get some more oil flowing can it?
On the Hillary emails supposedly two different legal challenges are saying Kerry did not fulfil his legal duty to do all he could to investigate / preserve Hillary emails wrt government servers. Whilst she may have deleted/scrubbed them at her end there will be many many thousands of people she has emailed at their official government address which should have retained copies.
There is zero evidence Russians affected the election by for example tampering with voting machines. What they are accused of is Wiki-leaking the contents of emails sent between Democrats. Are people really trying to claim that was significant ? Really ? Hillary dug her own holes with the private server and all the lies and deleting everything, plus anything Democrats where emailing each other should be regarded as "out in the open" anyway.