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It's all our fault now [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39300191 ]naughty GCHQ[/url]
It's GCHQ what done it - ahahahaha! Someone on fake, sorry Fox News said so 😉
Hang on, if it's a random pundit on Fox and Friends saying it, we need to launch an immediate Senate investigation. That's the kind of source you just can't ignore...
If they trawl back through the last six months of the Alex Jones show, that's enough to keep investigators [s]distracted[/s] busy for years!
But Theresa the Appeaser held his hand there's no way she'd spy on him 😆
What goes through Spicer's head as he announces this stuff ?!!
One thing that has occured to me about Trump is that while on the one hand he criticises the media for being 'fake news', on the other he also seems to take the things that are reported in the media as the gospel truth. Is he not smart enough to know that the news is not primary evidence?!?!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39300191
its very odd he denigrates his own spy agencies then he does the same to his countries "closest ally".
If he really does have a master plan - beyond ****ing it all up with lies- then its becoming increasingly hard to see it
Its like ninfans online persona has been made President and truth integrity, credibility and facts have left the building
Is he not smart enough to know that the news is not primary evidence?!?!
It's not about how smart or otherwise he is. The result is a very sharp strategy of distraction and disinformation which ties up resources in the liberal media, presents alt-right news sources to his supporters as presidentially-endorsed, and means that many of the headlines the last week have been about wiretapping by Obama, spooking by GCHQ, instead of the continuing investigation into Russian electoral interference or the carcrash GOP health reforms.
Its all about his mental state. Everything he says is true, anyone who disagrees with him is wrong, what he wants is right and true and will happen, anything getting in his way is a conspiracy.
See his second muslim ban being blocked by the courts.
Oh come on ninfan is not that bad TJ 😉
My only real interest here is in deciding if the small handed one knows what he says is BS and he does it for the reaction as the jury is out on that one.
He's either mental or an evil liar. Neither option is good.
IMO he is incapable of understanding what he says is wrong. He has a personality disorder and one of the parts of this condition is being unable to understand he can be wrong, he is incapable of understanding others point of view
Trumps boss is loving GCHQ being dragged into this, just as he instructed
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An intellectual colossus, without doubt.
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How about Putin for the next Bond? I reckon he looks the part.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39301842 ]thats odd I thought trump was a surprise attack kind of guy[/url]!
The Deflector in Chief lol
[quote=Stoner ]An intellectual colossus, without doubt.
Nobody is more of an intellectual colossus than him, nobody.
random pundit on Fox and Friends saying it,
Dont you mean "so called judge"?
Nobody is more of an intellectual colossus than him, nobody.
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tjagain
See his second muslim ban being blocked by the courts.
I'm surprised to see Nin hasn't mentioned this?
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Ah no i'm not surprised at all actually, i'm sure he came blame someone else for it getting blocked AGAIN...... 😉
Immigration controls will be written into law by the Senate. It's only a matter of time.
Who does Donald's mid-year PD one-to-one? Hopefully it's ninfan or he's not going to get his bonus.
What do you expect me to say? Haters going to hate? Reactionary mate of Obama tries to stand in the way of law he doesn't like?
however, equally I notice you haven't mentioned that the Judge who blocked the first ban has refused to do it with this one.
Guffaw
My only real interest here is in deciding if the small handed one knows what he says is BS and he does it for the reaction as the jury is out on that one.
Of course he knows it's bullshit, the point is that other people believe it's true. And that's what matters, not whether it's true or not.
Does anybody really think that Adolf Hitler thought Jews were responsible for World War 2 when this poster came out in 1943?
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("The war is his fault!")
Hitler knew that it was bullshit but I'm sure plenty of Germans believed it.
Lies and conspiracy theories played a prominent role in Hitler's strategy for public support, (as did attacking the media) today they a play a prominent role in Trump's strategy for public support. Along with racism and bigotry of course. Although racism and bigotry against Jews and homosexuals has been replaced with racism and bigotry against Mexicans and Muslims.
however, equally I notice you haven't mentioned that the Judge who blocked the first ban has refused to do it with this one.
no he didn't what he said was that his original ruling could not be applied to to this new order as there were significant differences between. He has been asked by several states to block the revised ban, he said he would rule on it later.
Does anybody really think that Adolf Hitler thought Jews were responsible for World War 2 when this poster came out in 1943?
I'm pretty certain Hitler *did* think the Jews were responsible for pretty much everything. He was pretty messed up in the head and his views on race were sincerely held and unchanged since around 1919.
Otherwise how do you explain the fact they kept using the rail network to exterminate Jews when they desperately needed it to supply the fronts.
The Nazi lied and distorted pretty much randomly and would shamelessly say anything to make a case, but on anti-semitism they were sincere and really believed it. Even after it was clear they'd lost Hitler still maintained an order of race heirarchy in his head - he just moved Slavs above Aryans because he thought Slavs had proved to be the better race on the Eastern Front!
So yeah, Hitler was quite capable of getting cause and effect mixed up and I think the evidence is overwhelming that Hitler really did blame the Jews for pretty much everything including WW2 and he was sincere in that belief.
ninfan - Memberhowever, equally I notice you haven't mentioned that the Judge who blocked the first ban has refused to do it with this one.
A brilliant example of ninfanonsense !
[i]"The judge who halted the Muslim Ban last month has refused to issue another order stopping the new executive order from President Donald Trump.
U.S. District Judge James Robart blamed procedural reasons as to whether his restraining order applies to the new travel ban.
He said in an order that motions or a complaint over the revised ban need to be filed before he can make a decision."[/i]
[url= http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/11/donald-trumps-new-travel-ban-wont-be-stopped-by-judges-6502726/ ]Donald Trump’s new travel ban won’t be stopped by judges[/url]
So he couldn't make a decision because he hadn't received a complaint! But Ninfan wants to use "procedural reasons" to claim that Judge James Robart is "refusing" to block the second ban! 😆
I reckon you and Trump went to the same bullshit school ninfan.
[url= http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/16/mcdonalds-tweets-donald-trump-telling-him-he-has-tiny-hands-6513461/ ]Trump accuses Obama of hacking Mcdonalds twitter account[/url] well not yet anyway 😉
Trump and Merkel meeting at the moment, press conference in a few minutes.
They can probably compare notes about how Obama went about tapping their phones 😀
Oh my God Trump really does say "biggly" I thought it was just a piss take. What a dumbass 😆
Trump opens the Merkel press conference referencing NATO underspend. It was notable there was no handshake at the earlier photo call
Yeah this is an awkward conference,
the contrast between the 2 is huge,
trump is still campaigning ?!?
at least Merkel isnt foolish enough to hold hands!
He did shake her hand earlier but apparently declined an invitation for a second handshake at the Oval Office.
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[url= http://www.itv.com/news/2017-03-17/trump-welcomes-german-chancellor-angela-merkel-to-the-white-house/ ]President Trump appears to ignore Chancellor Merkel's offer of a handshake in the Oval Office[/url]
[i]"Chancellor Merkel appears to ask for a handshake and looks taken aback when the president seems to ignore her."[/i]
I suspect that Trump found Merkel's firm handshake a bit too intimidating for him to risk a second one.
I reckon Merkel has nothing to fear from the self-professed pussy-grabber.
ooohh tough question on GCHQ wiretapping?
and he ignores it,weak..
he stole ninfans joke, but merkel, nicht amused
EDIT: I see Kimbers spotted this too.
Ha ha. Trump makes a joke about Merkel knowing what it's like to have her phone bugged.
He stole ninfans joke
So proud 😀
Great reaction in the room too:
Good to see the KGB and Stasi back working together again 😉
[quote=ninfan ]Great reaction in the room too:
You do realise they're laughing at him, not with him? (like us and you 😉 )
Is he going to tell her his favourite German proverb?
Ninfan on fire tonight!
The joke was delivered quite well, , especially when the rest of the interview was so awkward, he's obviously happiest when campaigning against Obamacare, what's he going to do when Trumpcare shuts 1000s(millions?) Out of healthcare ?
what's he going to do when Trumpcare shuts 1000s(millions?) Out of healthcare ?
You think he gives a shit if losers don't have medical care?
The joke only really works if theres some element of truth, there's nothing in common between them, trying to bluff your way out of a lie with a such a weak joke is pretty lame.
To be fair whilst Obamacare reduced the number without health insurance it still left somewhere in the region of 27 million without healthcare cover.
[url= https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-obamacare/ ]Why 27 Million Are Still Uninsured Under Obamacare[/url]
You think he gives a shit if losers don't have medical care?
It will be such a shame for his voters when they eventually realise they've been had.
There was a lovely comment on PM tonight.
Most politician when they find them selves in a hole they stop digging, but in the trump administration they bring in a digger and keep going.
I'm sure he will be blaming Obama for a bad smell in one room of the white house and maybe some stains on the carpet. Then maybe he didn't read the meter right when he moved out so he isn't paying the electricity bill. One blunder to the next...
jambalaya - Member
Immigration controls will be written into law by the Senate. It's only a matter of time.
Then the issue can be debated, scrutinised and legally checked I'm a public forum. First he will need to find people to back it and present it to the 2 houses.
Trump refusing to recant his claims that GCHQ tapped him , surely puts May in a questionable position.
Corbyn will [s]use it to eviscerate her[/s] probably mention it briefly at PMQs 😉
If Trump genuinely believes it, then hes not gonna be happy about a post-brexit trade deal?
The joke only really works if theres some element of truth, there's nothing in common between them,
Nope, nothing at all in common about them, apart from Obama issuing a carefully worded denial 😆
Trump refusing to recant his claims that GCHQ tapped him
YOu appear to be making that all too common mistake of responding to what the news report, rather than what was actually said - Trump didn't claim that GCHQ did, nor did spicer - Spicer commented quite clearly that Fox News had reported it rather than asserting it as a Claim from Trump or the administration
YOu appear to be making that all too common mistake of responding to what the news report, rather than what was actually said - Trump didn't claim that GCHQ did, nor did spicer - Spicer commented quite clearly that Fox News had reported it rather than asserting it as a Claim from Trump or the administration
which amounts to the president endorsing Fox News' report
otherwise GCHQ wouldnt have to be deny it
playing silly games with the truth erodes trust regardless
either way May is now in an uncomfortable position
either way May is now in an uncomfortable position
hoofed in the slats for being an insufferable cow?
[quote=somafunk ][s]hoofed[/s] grabbed in the slats
which amounts to the president endorsing Fox News' report
Or Trump/Spicer using "their" media to get out the misinformation they want to spread, which they can then comment further on.
somafunk - Member
either way May is now in an uncomfortable position
hoofed in the slats for being an insufferable cow?
Uncomfortable position? 😆
The meeting between President Trump and Chancellor Merkel actually makes PM May position many times stronger. EU bureaucrats ... you are next. 😆
Ah, "amounts to"...
I suggest that this fits into the same bracket as "suggests" and "potentially" in the lexicon of #fakenews indicator phrases
otherwise GCHQ wouldnt have to be deny it
Read what GCHQ said:
"Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wire tapping' against the then President Elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."
No mention of Trump, Spicer or the Whitehouse.
May will be seriously hoping that Merkel outstays Trump
Merkel will be keen to get a decent post brexit deal, she knows trade is important to both countries
Trump on the other hand has just humiliated May [b]again[/b] and wants trade on his terms that benefits his ego and screws over the rest of the world, Donny knows trade its why hes there 😉
Yup
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/gchq-trump-wiretap-denial/index.html
Oh come off it ninfan. Why would Trump or Spicer comment on something Fox had suggested if it wasn't to spread the impression that there was something in it?
[quote=ninfan ]Ah, "amounts to"...
I suggest that this fits into the same bracket as "suggests" and "potentially" in the lexicon of #fakenews indicator phrases
Ah, semantics.
Personally I prefer "said President Trump", "allegations made by White House press secretary Sean Spicer" or indeed:
[quote=ninfan ]
as my #fakenews indicator phrases, makes it so much simpler.
Well, in the #fakenews stakes, let's just remember that GCHQ [b]was[/b] actually performing illegal spying operations for the Americans...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/07/uk-gathering-secret-intelligence-nsa-prism
ninfan - Member
Well, in the #fakenews stakes, let's just remember that GCHQ was actually performing illegal spring operations for the Americans...
which changes nothing
Trump's hung May out to dry rather than back down
Putin's poodle is earning his doggy treat
In a statement confirming the existence of Prism, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence in the US, said: “Information collected under this programme is among the most important and valuable intelligence information we collect, and is used to protect our nation from a wide variety of threats.”
So maybe you are on to something there, if Trump was being seen by the US as a potential threat.
Donald J. Trump
(@realDonaldTrump)
Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!
The spin is as disingenuous as the lies he first uttered and whilst dicks like spicer[ as I cannot say this of trolling posters on here] can say this no one is finding it even remotely credible not even those uttering it
The spin is as disingenuous as the lies he first uttered
If we want to talk about spin, point your finger at all the people who don't understand what quotation marks mean.
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[quote=ninfan ]If we want to talk about spin, point your finger at all the people who don't understand what quotation marks mean.
They mean whatever Donny wants them to mean obviously. Though he keeps forgetting to put them in around things which quite obviously aren't literally true.
I don't think even trump knows what he's going on about these days, whatever random TV he's watching at night will turn into policy the next day. I can see him watching indepedence day and running out the white house screaming.
“We said nothing,” Mr. Trump told a German reporter who asked about the matter at a news conference with Ms. Merkel. “All we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. I didn’t make an opinion on it.” He added: “You shouldn’t be talking to me. You should be talking to Fox.”The president tried making a joke about it, turning to Ms. Merkel, who was angered during Mr. Obama’s administration by reports that the National Security Agency had tapped her cellphone and those of other leaders. “At least we have something in common, perhaps,” Mr. Trump said. She made a face that suggested she had no interest in getting involved.
After the news conference, Mr. Spicer echoed Mr. Trump’s unapologetic tone. “I don’t think we regret anything,” he told reporters. “As the president said, I was just reading off media reports.”
The old rule of if you can't think of something sensible to say, say nothing.
I hope he has planning permission for this hole under construction, if you look down the twitter feed there is constant links to fox and nowhere else.
Maybe new batteries in the remote?
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/world/europe/trump-britain-obama-wiretap-gchq.html
In other news I read somewhere that ninfan stole other people's pudding.
Edited, beaten to it
No quotations marks in this tweet about the tappDonald J. Trump?Verified account
@realDonaldTrumpHow low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
Perhaps he was basing this on a Fox news report he was yet to hear
very talented legal mind
but not authoritative then ?
Isn't this a bit infantile? Pretending you didn't say something because you used inverted commas (even when you didn't) or were "just quoting someone else". Is that what we've come to - the President of the United States is playing Simon Says??
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DrJ - Member
Isn't this a bit infantile?
Yes. It is. Completely.
Welcome to the new politics where lies and pretend are key, like primary school.
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Ooh (4hrs) too slow
Remember when the President said he wasn't going to take a salary? He just accepted his second paycheck.
Remember when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall? He has asked Congress to appropriate the $25 billion of taxpayer money to cover costs.
Remember when he said he wasn't going to go on vacation or play golf like Obama? 5 of the last 7 weekends he went on vacation and played golf, costing taxpayers $11.1 million each time.
Remember when he said he was going to use American steel to build these dangerous pipelines? Russian steel arrived last week for the Keystone Pipeline XL.
Remember when he said he wasn't going to cut social security and Medicare? The Republican bill does just this.
Remember when he said that nobody on his campaign had any communications with the Russian government? 7 of his people have now admitted they spoke and/or met with Russian officials...after they lied and got caught.
Remember when he said he was going to divest from his businesses? Changed his mind.
Remember when he said he was going to release his tax returns? Changed his mind.
Remember when he said he was going to drain the swamp of Washington insiders? His cabinet is filled with lobbyists, billionaires, as well as Big Oil and Wall Street executives, many from Goldman-Sachs. Yes, THAT Goldman-Sachs.
Remember when he said would defeat ISIS in 30 days? He doesn't have a plan.
mmmmm
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And the amusing thing is that all of them pale into insignificance when compared with Obama promising to close Guantanamo. Just imagine how hard the lefties would be nailing Trump, or any other republican presidents, reputation for that one 😉
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oh **** it.
The President's 'well oiled machine' in cahoots with the Russians 'pales into insignificance' with failure to close Guantanamo?
And anyway, it's no longer about Obama, it's what Trump is / isn't doing now.
cahoots with the Russians
Got any evidence of that?
You know, we wouldn't want to accuse you of double standards, demanding evidence on Trumps "wire-tapping" claims but perfectly happy to accept unproven allegations on Trump-Russia connections, would we?
Oops, there's that pesky cognitive dissonance bell being rung again 😆