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Did your workmates test positive for Covid19, then you and your family get symptoms, and then did you travel 250 miles from your home to be somewhere nicer, then you and your wife pretend that you stayed at home the whole time? All while everyone else with symptoms isolated themselves at home on you and your workmates’ instruction?
Yep, six degrees of Boris Johnson.
What would DC’s instincts tell him to do, should there be protesters outside his house(s) for the next few til he resigns weeks.
That's what we need - Captain Tom to come out and condemn Cummings, The gammons will turn round so fast they'll screw themselves knee deep into the ground.
Or to distract from his hiding places he resorts too. Did you notice he bounded into the room, but shuffled out round shouldered?
Do you reckon Gove chopped him a line of the old Peruvian Marching Powder?
Disgruntled employee
Imagine how many of those there are now.
No more then there were before, because pretty much 100% of civil servants hate the **** anyway.
What would DC’s instincts tell him to do,
Stick his middle finger up and sneer whilst he recounts the arrogance of power he holds over the mere public of this country?
Do you reckon Gove chopped him a line of the old Peruvian Marching Powder?
This occurred to me during the Broadcast!
You can’t have Johnson without Cummings, so given Johnson won’t go therefore neither can Cummings.
We can rant and shout all we like but the 2 are stuck together.
So our best chance is some kind of Tory coupe to get rid of the blond buffoon. How you instigate that is a different question.
On the rogue CS tweet.
A government spokesman said: “An unauthorised tweet was posted on a government channel this evening. The post has been removed and we are investigating the matter.”
Oh I bet you ****ing are.
Absolutely top priority that one.
****s.
Humm, if I've got a 260 mile radius to play with, where should I drive to for the 8pm boo tomorrow.
So our best chance is some kind of Tory coupe to get rid of the blond buffoon.
Not going to happen. They used their coup to change the make up of the parliamentary party. They have a complete hold on it. A few rebels might state the obvious about Cummings’ behaviour, but they will not be disloyal to the PM… and he can not be disloyal to Cummings. They both stay until it’s time for Cummings to “step away” from number 10 to research and plan for the next general election… which Johnson will contest… he’ll want that second win as a notch on his life ambitions bedpost.
What can we the people actually do though Crikey, right now to change this?
Wikipedia has a list of Conservative Party donors, as does the Electoral Commission (albeit a lot try very hard to obscure their donations). You could start by boycotting them.
Kelvin, no, I didn't have to make that decision.
Dom wasn't going on his hollibobs, the media circus has ramped this right up but as of yet I can't see this is as dramatic as people want it to be.
Jacinda Ardern in NZ was praised for her common sense approach for dealing with the health minister and his story was basically 'i was off for a jolly (twice)'
Jacinda Ardern in NZ was praised for her common sense approach for dealing with the health minister and his story was basically ‘i was off for a jolly (twice)’
Did he have symptoms, and had his closest workmates tested positive?
And didn’t he apologise? And didn’t he lose his job?
I suspect that a referendum on this matter would suggest DC needs to get in the sea.
exsee
MemberDom wasn’t going on his hollibobs
Assuming you believe that the first trip was the only one, and you don't believe in the second trip after he was recovered, and you don't believe in the visit to castle barnard. But in the real world, yes, he went on his hollibobs.
tomhoward
SubscriberWhat would DC’s instincts tell him to do, should there be protesters outside his house(s) for the next few til he resigns weeks.
Well we know the answer to that don't we, he'd pop round his mum's.
No. He was going out for a play👍
He wasn't concerned that he might get hospitalised so took his 4 year old to be close to trusted family (a slightly more difficult decision than going to play on the beach I reckon)
exsee, just what does Dom have a photo of you doing?
Humm, if I’ve got a 260 mile radius to play with, where should I drive to for the 8pm boo tomorrow.
I've had a similar thought. Even since the relaxation of the rules I haven't been driving to ride. My conscience doesn't make me think it is essential enough.
But now my eyes have been opened. My lack of away day rides has made me a bit tetchy and I am afraid for my mental wellbeing and that of my family.
With this in mind, at the first opportunity my bike is going on the roof of my car and I'm off for a day's riding. All in the interests of the health of me and my family.
Should stricter lockdown rules come back in (which I think they will) then I will be putting the same interpretation on them. Police and irate locals will be given this same reasoning. I am just preempting a potential issue with my mental health that may or may not happen, but better safe than sorry, I say.
exsee, just what does Dom have a photo of you doing?
I've noticed a bit of this of late.
I think some of these people are hoping to be talent-spotted in some way by Cummings and his ilk.
"Me sir, look at me sir...."
The cliché is that there's a photo of someone ****ing a goat. However, didn't Cameron already prove it was possible to weather that storm?
No. He was going out for a play👍
He wasn’t concerned that he might get hospitalised so took his 4 year old to be close to trusted family (a slightly more difficult decision than going to play on the beach I reckon)
Wow. So despite other family members living a stone's throw away, driving that distance was acceptable?
He must have been in a bad way, given neither childcare nor hospital was required. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't fancy driving that distance when I was so ill. I also wouldn't fancy sharing the enclosed space of a car with my kids either, spreading that all that viral load. I'm pretty impressed at the Disco Sport though, the fuel economy must be pretty good when it doesn't need a top up.
😁 yes yes the implied insults roll in if you have a different opinion.
You can't defend someone without being a supporter type of thing, that's just not logical for me and certainly won't lead to a better type of politics imo.
Binbins - don't be tasting that lovely pastry based goodness yet. Still 6 days to go!
What odds on Johnson not lasting the month? The 1922 committee could easily give him the tories equivalent of a bottle of whiskey and a revolver. Remember they can have a vote of no confidence in Johnson as leader of the party without causing the fall of the government. Enter backstabbing Gove
yes yes the implied insults roll in if you have a different opinion.
You can’t defend someone without being a supporter type of thing, that’s just not logical for me and certainly won’t lead to a better type of politics imo.
Nowhere near good enough.
If you really want to get noticed you have to be more aggressive.
That's only going to get you a casual contract reposting other people's stuff.
Enter backstabbing Gove
who's even more of a Cummings fan boi than Johnson
Enter backstabbing Gove
Not even he is avaricious enough to risk it now.
nickc - indeed - but Gove would do anything for the top job.
Cummings and Johnson are both here to stay.
Aye, the job now is to make sure every bit of shit sticks to them.
You can’t defend someone without being a supporter type of thing
Please, keep defending away… your first example of someone else “getting away with it” was someone who apologised for their rule breaking, lost their job, and wasn’t infected anyway.
If Cummings apologised, I suspect the public response would have been quite different.
Those trying to defend DC quite frankly fing astound me.
Do you really think it was beyond the wit & the ken of No 10 to have found a solution for Dom so he didn’t have to make the journey?
Hmm?
Honestly?
I mean.....come on..
Futureboy77, I don't think Dom was ill at the time, just covering the bases in case things took a turn for the worse. I would be worried about our youngster being left on their Tod so can empathise with the concern. I haven't locked myself in my room though so guess others feel cheated even though our lockdown has been vague.
Dannyh. Shhh.
He wasn’t concerned that he might get hospitalised so took his 4 year old to be close to trusted family (
So he doesn't trust the London based family then?
He and his wife didn't write hard accounts of their Covid quarantine in the Spectator, but just forget to mention the heart wrenching "if we die what happens to our young son" aspect that caused them to make a desperate dash to protect him?
He was happy to stand by while two senior advisors were hounded out of office for breaking the rules, but doesn't think he should go for breaking those same rules?
Cummings broke the rules - plain and simple. He had no valid excuse for one trip to Durham let alone 2 or more
The rules were simple - he should have been in isolation in london.
About nails it for me...
An organised, mass disobeying the rules protest? Some kind of convoy driving between London and Durham?
Kelvin. The NZ health minister had a demotion but still kept on and he was just going for a play on the beach not worried about his children, every example is slightly different, not sure what calderwoods reasons were, did it ever get reported. I wanted sturgeon to do a jacinda on that one too but if she had no story then no way out
The problem is that the vague rules here allowed people some common sense application which is good for progressive politics but bad if people don't apply it on your terms.
‘disgruntled employee’ ……
That will be the entire civil service then.
"I'm Spartacus....."
says the whole civil service on Tuesday
In light of this episode, does this govt retain sufficient authority to carry off an effective second lockdown if there is a second wave of infections?
“I’m Spartacus…..”
says the whole civil service on Tuesday
I couldn't possibly comment...
More cash.
I would be choosy about which family members I left our young'un with and I would personally drive from one end of country to the other to make sure she was happy while believing that was essential and within the guidelines regarding childcare.
I would be choosy about which family members I left our young’un with and I would personally drive from one end of country to the other to make sure she was happy while believing that was essential and within the guidelines regarding childcare
I would put mine to the closest, knowing that they would have the best interests of the little ones at heart. Even if that meant the outlaws. Given a choice, I would put them to my Mum, but she is 60 miles away and I wouldn't consider that essential. Essential is making sure the kids are safe from harm and getting fed with a roof over their head. I would think DC had plenty options which met that criteria. He might have missed his mother's birthday though, just as I did.
Futureboy77. That's for you to decide, that isn't how I would interpret the guidelines at all.
Potentially giving my 4 year old to the nearest family member regardless of their suitability to be a stand in parent sounds absolutely bonkers to me.
The guidelines allow us to make different choices without one being right and the other being wrong. Trusting people to apply their version of common sense
you never seen anything quite like it in the daily fail comments, they are absolutely spitting feathers over this, even the accusations of liberal lefty hand wringers have vanished. It's wall to wall disgusted of Tunbridge Wells. As in the guardian article above for a populist PM to get the public mood so so wrong.
There should be a mass drive from wherever you are in the country to Durham for tomorrows bank holiday
Dannyh, Shhh matey, just stop it.
Hypothetically.. It would be very interesting to chat to the 4 year child. If he’s like my ‘just turned’ 5 year old they’re very smart, observant and they have an amazing memory of things.
I would be worried about our youngster being left on their Tod so can empathise with the concern.
Presumably you don't believe the multiple witness accounts of him wandering around various beauty spots on different occasions during this period when he was supposedly ill.
But even then, given that his wife documented their illness and claimed that she never suffered badly, and was well on the mend at this point, why on earth would the child be left alone?
And more to the point, if it wasn't such a big deal, why, given that it was well documented, was their trip not mentioned at the time?
More than anything else though, if you knew you had the virus, why would you travel across the country to potentially infect your family with it?
We can ask questions like this all day, because not one bit of it makes sense, and it's certainly not common sense, or instinctual.
Its not complicated.
1. He is an arrogant t**t
2. The rest of us have no value
I don't believe everything in the papers, no. I guess there will be more to come so interested to see the next episode.
Nobody really knows how the virus will effect them, many have been well on the mend then ended up at deaths door or dead, so makes sense to see the bigger picture regardless of how your feeling especially with a young child relying on you.
My trusted family would support my decision regarding childcare, it would be a difficult choice but with the option to be close just in case makes some sense.
The cult of contrarianism trumps empathy or logic.
I knew Johnson wouldn't have the balls to sack him!
How funny would it be now if the Mirror released some pics of Dom sitting at KFC on the way up to Durham
After they've given Johnson just enough rope to hang himself with
The cult of contrarianism trumps empathy or logic.
It does if you are Dominic Cummings, it would seem.
The guidelines allow us to make different choices without one being right and the other being wrong. Trusting people to apply their version of common sense
Absolute bollox !
Whatever part of paragraph C, subsection 2 of the supplementary, details, was interpreted by Dom to mean he could flout quarantine & drive himself & his infected wife the length of the country
Was not the guidance &fk all to do with common sense
The guidance was this
If you or Johnson wants to pretend it was something else they'll be rightly laughed out the room
No harm done by Dom and BoJo show?
What percentage of the track and trace app uptake do you reckon there will be now?
Dannyh. You seem to be trying to insult me and if I return the favour then where does it end. Take a break and chill
The guidelines allow us to make different choices without one being right and the other being wrong. Trusting people to apply their version of common sense
No they don't - they clearly and unambiguously state that people showing symptoms should self-isolate along with everyone else in the house. Nowhere does it state you should embark on a 500 mile round trip to celebrate your mum's birthday and not use any available childcare options.
I normally don't react to trolls but I can't get that story about 13 year old Ismail Mohamed Abdulwahab and his parents being unable to attend his funeral out of my head. I have a 15 year old son and finding myself in their situation is unimaginable.
That harrowing story was all over the media. We are told today by the PM that we seem to have been interpreting the rules too strictly and following the instincts of a father by ignoring the letter of the rules was laudible. If that was the case when these stories were all over the media, why didn't the govt clarify the guidance so everyone could avail of the interpretation Cummings took?
What about the father of Ismail Mohamed Abdulwahab? Was being at his son's funeral less of a laudible paternal instinct than Cummings having eaxcatly the childcare he wanted with days out at local beauty spots?
I am finding the level of cynical contempt from the govt breathtaking and the crass commentary from some on here difficult to swallow. As someone else on here said on another thread, I sometimes wonder if we are the same species.
Goddammit, it's Trump all over again.
There was no childcare issue, his wife was fine, said so herself in the article she wrote.
They drove 250 miles for a couple of family celebrations. And then again, at least twice more.
On the first occasion at least, they knew they were spreading a lethal disease.
They simply don't care about anyone other than themselves.
Childcare allows flexibility on the part you’ve chosen
The guidance is clear and unequivocal.
@exsee I rather think you're trying to defend the indefensible. Cummings was reportedly seen exercising around Barnards Castle whilst supposedly in isolation. If that's true, then no amount of applying common sense or interpretation of the guidance can justify it.
How many people might he have infected?
(Edit due to terrible spelling)
I wish that was me.
Thing is, now BJ has so inextricably linked his future with that of Cummings; if he has to sack him in the coming days, how is he going to do it without losing what sliver of authority he has left?
Shouldn’t have pledged his allegiance quite so firmly...
I wish there are lots of folk around Durham checking their phones to see if they still have that pic of Dominic Cummings they took a few weeks ago.
It took them around 12 hrs to come up with the childcare explanation.
Cummings then appears in the morning armed with a handful of his child's toys and puts them in the car to underscore the point.
Cynical and arrogant people.
Exsee
There is no room for interpretation
DO NOT LEAVE YOUR HOUSE
Quite clear and no room to fudge
Like to quote something that says that there is? Put up or shut up
I wish that was me.
One of the people in that picture is a piss taking ****er...
Even Kuensbergs piece in the BBC news site is critical....
The gov claiming that Cummings did self-isolate as per the rules is a bit like me claiming to be a vegan when I don't eat meat; he broke the rules by driving across half the country first. That much we know anyway, and there are accusations he further flouted the rules.
It's unedifying to see the gov playing with words like a sophist here.
A thoughtful piece from a QC on the law, guidelines and context of the situation.
https://insights.doughtystreet.co.uk/post/102g80l/did-dominic-cummings-act-responsibly-and-legally
TL;DR? Cummings is a very naughty boy.
As a West Ham fan I am more than happy to criticise the owners, manager or players when they are shit.
I don't see why Gammon F.C fans feel that they can't criticise the shit players in their team. Cummings is a **** and has bought team gammon into disrepute, why can they not see it?
I like dannyh anagram game:
Cimungms si a ttoal tunc
I would personally drive from one end of country to the other to make sure she was happy while believing that was essential and within the guidelines regarding childcare.
One of the reasons for having a clear and simple "Stay at Home" rule, is to help people like you who have difficulty understanding how to keep themselves and other people safe.
Pondo, it has been argued by half the world for months that UK guidance isn't clear at all. Now when it suits it's clear and unequivocal.
Gov guidance
It is clear to me that it allows an element of common sense and interpretation which is what I have been doing and what I would encourage those who can to do. If you cannot see past staying at home for safety then do that but I won't be and neither of us are in the wrong.
excsee nothing personal with the bollox comment
simply that the childcare excuse is obviously bollox
even the Mail think its laughable
