I was hoping he would actually produce some hard evidence rather than just words.
He's been asked several times to follow up with evidence, although he pushed back at handing over his mobile. He also said he'd requested access to his govt emails to support this, but that was rejected (although I assume the committee would be allowed to access those?)
He's already committed to providing all the evidence to back up everything he's said. has the counter-spin started yet?
He seems to be suggesting that he fears some kind of cover up regarding the public inquiry and thats why its been delayed
It is tricky when dealing with a bunch of liars who will happily claim whatever is needed tohelp their cause to decide which one of them is telling the truth at any specific time so just be a case of balance of probabilities and using other evidence.
I was hoping he would actually produce some hard evidence rather than just words.
Hmm yep, but what do you think the chances are of seeing Boris sat down for 6 hours discussing his role in the handling.
He seems to be suggesting that he fears some kind of cover up regarding the public inquiry and thats why its been delayed
Well duh thats the entire point of a public inquiry. It gives some time to people to forget and you also write the rules so you dont get blamed to badly.
Hmm yep, but what do you think the chances are of seeing Boris sat down for 6 hours discussing his role in the handling.
I think he could manage 6 hours without saying a single thing of substance, or answering a single question, pretty easily... "wiffle waffle, stop looking back, be more positive, in extremis, tried my best, what the people really want us to focus on, waff wiff".
Well duh thats the entire point of a public inquiry. It gives some time to people to forget and you also write the rules so you dont get blamed to badly.
Well tbh no-one knew what was happening and Boris did his best 🙂
Boris did his best
I think you've spotted the problem 🙁
Well tbh no-one knew what was happening and Boris did his best
Except loads of people did have a better handle on it than Johnson - not including the classroom of 13 year olds (we’ll stick to the scientists, statisticians and other experts - not to cast aspersions on those highly capable 13 year olds)
I think he could manage 6 hours without saying a single thing of substance, or answering a single question, pretty easily… “wiffle waffle, stop looking back, be more positive, in extremis, tried my best, what the people really want us to focus on, waff wiff”.
He has done this all of his life. 6 Hours will be no problem.
And yet, because its Cummings, even though he’s confirming all the suspicions we’ve voiced about the governments handling of this, i can’t bring myself to believe him.
Exactly - you know there's probably a lot of substance behind what he says, but the impression that he's mostly smarter than then and they just wouldn't listen but he hung around anyway just doesn't make sense.
Apparently the last session promises to be the 'most damning' according to the guardian. Think I'll grab a beer. Although short of producing a video of Johnson and Hancock tag-teaming a dying covid victim I'm not sure what more he can say. 😳
50p says the papers lead with Cummings apology for trip to Durham, and not that Johnson didn't (and still doesn't ) want to close the borders, or that Hancock should be sacked for lying, or that pensioners were sent to care homes without a COVID test, or that there wasn't a plan...
I had to pop out and missed his Barnard Castle explanation. What did he say?
I had to pop out and missed his Barnard Castle explanation
he was getting death threats, so he moved his family to leave London (although he was ill) the drive to Bernard Castle did "seem like the right thing to do at the time" with hindsight he agrees that it did appear a bit stupid. He says in his defence that he could have made up something that didn't sound quite so stupid, but didn't, as it was the truth... says the lying mendacious shitehawk
he was getting death threats, so he moved his family to leave London (although he was ill)
and then moved them back a few days later :-s
Well, if he was getting death threats, then I am sure that there will be a record of these with the Met that could back up his story and I am sure that these would lend weight to his decision.
Still sounds like a sack of shit though.
binners
Full MemberSurely Hancock can’t survive this?
In the good timeline, he wouldn't have survived this far. He's the health secretary that couldn't even be bothered to follow his own advice about not sneezing on your hands ffs, and he's totally failed on both basic competence and by being caught with his hand in the till. Why will this be any different?
binners
Full Member“The government rhetoric was we put a shield around people in career homes – that was complete nonsense. Quite the opposite of putting a shield around them, we sent people with Covid back to care homes with Covid.”
And of course Johnston has constantly repeated that lie in attacks on the SNP in the commons. TBH the numbers have always disproved the "shield around people" thing but that hasn't mattered up til now. Will it matter now?
Genius!
Thanks 🙂
Listening to him today, he really is a lying little shitbag.
Listening to him today, he really is a lying little shitbag.
You mean the government is populated by lying shitbags?,
Still sounds like a sack of shit though.
I remember him saying as much in his Rose garden speech. (that he was getting death threats)
and to quote said shitbag "The truth is that senior ministers, senior officials, senior advisers like me fell disastrously short of the standards that the public has a right to expect of its government in a crisis like this".
Does that mean he will be handing back his vastly inflated salary for that period?
If he wasn't a rabid manipulating Brexiteering lying lockdown-breaking Tory manipulative bastard, I get the impression he's actually giving a very competent and honest testimony.
I still trust what he says much more than anything said by Boris
Where is Gove in all this, sitting in the shadows planning, plotting laughing his socks off.
he really is a lying little shitbag.
In a who would you believe between Cummings on one side and Boris/Hancock on the other question, I definitely wouldn't be choosing Boris and Hancock. Especially when all the evidence of events matches his description of what was happening behind closed doors. Without wanting to be hyperbolic, this is/should be the biggest scandal in government since Blair took us to war on the basis of fabricated intelligence.
Now, I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that he won't be getting a Christmas card from Matt Hancock this year
Just when you think it can't get any better he just drops gem after gem after gem.
What's that bloody bell that keeps going off?
Edit: Never mind 🙂
Without wanting to be hyperbolic, this is/should be the biggest scandal in government since Blair took us to war on the basis of fabricated intelligence.
It's clearly bigger than that. That was a, pretty much, single, albeit catastrophic, decision. This is, pretty much, a complete breakdown of government.
He asked for Hancock to be sacked most days, but Boris is keeping him in place for when the public inquiry comes along.
Well, who'd have thunk it?
Just when you think it can’t get any better he just drops gem after gem after gem.
I know, day off work today, been glued to this all day. First time ever heard the words shit and ****er on daytime television.
It’s clearly bigger than that. That was a, pretty much, single, albeit catastrophic, decision. This is, pretty much, a complete breakdown of government.
I can hear the public now "Yeah but when can I go on holiday, I am not interested in politics."
This is, pretty much, a complete breakdown of government.
If you think back to the period we're talking about here, Boris completely disappeared for weeks at a time
There's really not much that anyone who was paying attention didn't already know. A few alleged conversations, which sound quite plausible, all with a Dum-friendly spin.
And bearing in mind that this is his own best version of how he can present his role, he's obviously a stupid venal dishonest piece of shit.
So the PM did say the bodies pile high thing, and then lied about in parliament when asked directly at the dispatch box? even if the great electorate that put him there aren't fazed by this, parliament should be. Isn't lying at the dispatch box, in parliamentary terms, a heinous crime?
God I hate these 2019 cohort Tory MPs, pathetic no marks, Chrstopher clarkson? and that Workington POS MP who was going on about alpacas at PMQs. The 'red wall' MPs really are terrible terrible voids of anything redeemable
anyway, back to Dom...
Johnson was popular partly because he was prepare to stick two fingers up to parliament (and truth as well, in my opinion).
It interesting to me that Cummings said he should have resigned in September when Johnson was doing his "mayor of Amity" impression. And putting so much of the pain we have suffered since then down to the decision Johnson was making then. As the opposition front bench have been pointing out for nine months now.
I do find it very ironic that Cummings is now calling on MPs (parliament) to force the government to do something (look to learn lessons from its response to the pandemic).
Gove's name finally coming into play now....
So the PM did say the bodies pile high thing
oh. Starmer, the ex DDP got him to deny it at the dispatch box a few weeks back. That's going to come back at Johnson.
Am i hearing this right, Did Dom basically say Boris was unfit to govern? He called him unfit for the job as PM due to a series of distractions. I just don't get how the tories come back from this... I mean well I do no one actually cares.
Looks like Lady Macbeth (Carrie) is getting a bit off a hammering too and the dog.
I'm not sure how Jeremy Hunt managed to sit and dispassionately chair that meeting today. I didn't rate him much as HS, but it is increasingly clear that had he been in post in January 2020, he would have avoided many of the mistakes that Hancock blundered into, and thereafter lied and bullshitted about non-stop.
The completely non-existent 'ring of steel' around care homes cost tens of thousands of lives. I wonder how many NHS and care staff died because PPE was scarce or missing entirely?
Did Dom basically say Boris was unfit to govern? He called him unfit for the job as PM due to a series of distractions. I just don’t get how the tories come back from this… I mean well I do no one actually cares.
Yes, you answered your own question. His 'unfit to govern' statement was some time ago, and had little impact.
I can hear the public now “Yeah but when can I go on holiday, I am not interested in politics.”
This.
Wait for a sudden announcement of new Green list countries tomorrow.
