This is sickening stuff, I find myself both agreeing with, and liking, Cummings.
I need to go outside and have a strong word with myself.
He’s a shit but not a stupid shit,people forget that.
mini side question; what is the Jeff Goldblum reference?
Or listen to “stop looking backwards” when asked about any event that’s ever happened under this PM…
In the same line as saying he'd set up an independent inquiry to errr...look backwards at Covid handling. Boris is really not as clever as he thinks he is.
mini side question; what is the Jeff Goldblum reference?
It's a reference to the fact that in the film Independence Day, the Jeff Goldblum character was a specialist scientist working outside govt who explained the situation to overcome the cabinet's groupthink. In this scenario, Cummings = Goldblum
You could argue that he’s tranformed the party from what it was into an English nationalist party that bears little resemblance to what it was before him
Given the history he has had with many of the Tory's transformational and influential MPs; Duncan Smith, Gove, Johnson, I think that's a pretty spot on assessment.
Don't underrate the additional reference to the "Spiderman double standoff". Ministers standing around pointing at each other only able to say its your fault..you take charge...
I've realised whats so shocking about this...
When was the last time you saw any member of our political establishment actually answer any questions, candidly and directly?
Decades ago?
And actually apologising (not the usual sorry/not sorry) and admitting to his own mistakes, and it would appear that he's being entirely honest as well. Something we've definitely not seen for a long time
Matt Hancock is getting absolutely savaged here
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1397516380480606210?s=20
Matt Hancock is getting absolutely savaged here
Absolutely. Almost feel sorry for little Matty.
Only kidding. FINISH HIM!
And actually apologising (not the usual sorry/not sorry) and admitting to his own mistakes
Refreshing. Still a shit, mind you. But I'm a lot more impressed with him than I thought I would be.
Quote from the cabinet secretary according to Cummings, "The british state is not set up to deal with a secretary of state who routinely lies in cabinet". Ouch!
Hunt and Cummings having a big agree-off now. And I agree with them both (despite being as far from politically aligned from either/both of them as possible). I mean, how can you not agree with them if you take off your political spectacles (whether they are pro-Johnson or anti-Tory specs)?
When was the last time you saw any member of our political establishment actually answer any questions, candidly and directly?
Decades ago?
If ever ?,I think your right you never get this.
One tory tosser who was swanning off to Barnard Castle at the height of the pandemic trying to disgrace another tory tosser for not doing things “right” and inbetween, Kier Starmer trying to have a crack at Boris when he should be concentrating on sorting his own shambolic house out first. I’m totally bored of each side… they can all fk right off.
The political system in this country is completely broken, it has been for at least 30 years. FPTP, gerrymandered constituencies, the two-party system, an awful lot of the traditions and pomp behind it all...
And that's before you get onto things like expenses, lobbying, personal interests, peerages, favours, "jobs for the boys", "advisory positions" on multiple Executive Boards...
Surely Hancock can't survive this?
Cummings appears to speak with integrity and honesty, which is not something you'd expect from any of the mouthpieces in this government - and I say that as an ardent remainer and tory opposer. Having read through his blog posts his character is surprisingly not in alignment with his perceived media represented image.
"You are more frightened of giving me the power to stop the chaos than you are of the chaos"
The "chaos is fine, because then everyone looks to me as the person in charge" Johnson line defines his approach to being PM so damn well.
"...we sent people with Covid back to care homes"
Bloody hell, this just gets more brutal. 😳 Oh to be a fly on the wall of Matt Hancocks office.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1397524086012747776?s=20
PM not coming out well either.
Leaders need to be able to lead, to take counsel and make reasoned decisions.
Boris is coming out as an inept ditherer.
Possibly unsurprisingly.
One tory tosser who was swanning off to Barnard Castle at the height of the pandemic
He's not a Tory. He represents the Dominic Cummings Ego Party. The Tories, as he has said directly about the Brexiteers, were his 'useful idiots'. I guess their usefulness has now dropped off a bit...
The 'tosser' bit is true enough. Sitting there chatting about his arguments about the importance of test/trace/isolate while behaving like that in parallel.
Surely Hancock can’t survive this?
You'd hope not under normal circumstances, but Boris sacking him for this acknowledges that Dom is telling the truth about everything else. Hancock must survive to keep Boris going. I guess they'll ditch them both at a convenient moment.
"There was no border policy because the Prime Minister didn't want a border policy"
'After April he (the PM) was prioritising the economy'
Ooof
Goan yersef lass.
13 year old wains. 👍
Johnson saying that, even in hindsight, that we shouldn't have had the first lockdown, and resisting them in the autumn and winter on the back of that... scary stuff. He's a dangerous man.
She’s good
"The government rhetoric was we put a shield around people in career homes - that was complete nonsense. Quite the opposite of putting a shield around them, we sent people with Covid back to care homes with Covid."
Little Matty must be writing his resignation letter by now
Then again, nobody resigns any more, do they?
If Matty resigns now they can promote him in a month.
Then again, nobody resigns any more, do they?
Forget resigning he should be prosecuted for criminal negligence and corporate manslaughter.
If the health service buck stops with him, then yes, that should be the end case. Even if he resigns, the decision makers of that policy should be prosecuted. At the very least, this should provide people that have lost loved ones with a civil case against the government.
Forget resigning he should be prosecuted for criminal negligence and corporate manslaughter.
You could get half the Cabinet on that!
It's just highlighting the gross incompetence of this bunch of chancers but more importantly, DC was part of that bunch.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/25/dominic-cummings-held-to-account-secrets
PM not coming out well either.
Who knew.
PM not coming out
TBF, there's good evidence he likes the ladies.
Nothing's going to happen is it? Complete cascading CF at the heart of government exposed - what tragedy it is being lead by these abysmal incompetents - and its going to be written off as 'classic Dom'.
Tories +2 points gain in the polls by the end of the week.
Well, he’s said that his Rose Garden ‘explanation’ about all the Barnard Castle stuff was a terrible damaging mistake, and caused real trouble as regards the pandemic response. And, yes, said sorry. That word.
Surely Hancock can’t survive this?
At any other time, in any other Government heads would be rolling in every direction. Leaders have resigned for less, a lot less. The Last Labour government was dead on it's feet after the Credit Crunch, just because it was in charge when the US Sub-Prime market collapsed, something it's yet to recover from 14 years later.
130k British People died during a pandemic, we'll probably never know how many died needlessly because the Government, time and time again we unable or unwilling to accept inconvenient truths until it was too late, which only lead to even bigger, more stark problems they were even less able to accept.
The handling of this Pandemic, even by trying to set aside hindsight was terrible, Boris was too busy fighting the EU over Brexit and writing books to care about something that was too scary for him to accept.
Really, this should be the end for Boris and the rest of his cabinet, really the Party should wash their hands of him and even consider calling an early GE next years just to be free of the shame of it.
But it won't happen, because for some reason millions of people love him, I don't know why, but they're as incapable of criticism as Boris is of shame.
Even now, as Cummings spills his guts and sticks the knife into them all, it's the 5th most read story on the BBC, it seems more people care that Nick Knowles is going to be on DIY SOS.
I suspect in a few Boris, Boris will make some of his 'I'm the cool parent' announcements, they're probably put France and Spain on the green list and no one will care, they'll be too busy cheering about their summer hols.
Carrie Antionette isn't looking the best either
https://twitter.com/nohandsup/status/1397490692293898241?s=20
Having read through his blog posts his character is surprisingly not in alignment with his perceived media represented image.
Perhaps he retrospectively edited them so he could point to them later as proof of how he predicted that you’d think he was actually an ok kind of guy
Tories +2 points gain in the polls by the end of the week.
Don't think so, he's displaying a lot of candour...and said the Sorry word.
This is hilarious. Especially the independence day reference 😂
LOL that Durham trip nonsense completely undermines everything else he's said. What a risible heap of nonsense. He must think we are all complete idiots.
dudeofdoom
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Don’t think so, he’s displaying a lot of candour…and said the Sorry word.
True..... +5 points then 🙁
He must think we are all complete idiots.
If that is the 'angle' he is well qualified to make an assessment given his greatest political success (the 52% - I'm looking at you here).
Cummings appears to speak with integrity and honesty, which is not something you’d expect from any of the mouthpieces in this government – and I say that as an ardent remainer and tory opposer. Having read through his blog posts his character is surprisingly not in alignment with his perceived media represented image.
And yet, because its Cummings, even though he's confirming all the suspicions we've voiced about the governments handling of this, i can't bring myself to believe him.
i can’t bring myself to believe him.
It is tricky when dealing with a bunch of liars who will happily claim whatever is needed tohelp their cause to decide which one of them is telling the truth at any specific time so just be a case of balance of probabilities and using other evidence.
I was hoping he would actually produce some hard evidence rather than just words.
I was hoping he would actually produce some hard evidence rather than just words.
If I were a betting man I'd put money on the aforementioned hard evidence being produced by him about 15 seconds after the government says "it's all hearsay, you can't prove it"
He's got a bet on with someone to see how many times he can slip in fundamentally.
