[Closed] Does Anyone Actually Care About This Country Anymore

and finished his food and packed it nicely
together and just thrown it out onto the pavement

keeps someone in a job,

if everyone was tidy how many more unemployed would there be 😉

I don't litter and presume you don't - nation saved!
Range rover in London? No excuses.

I care about the country and where it's headed. There's good and bad out there, it's what we do as individuals to contribute to that and our society that changes the balance.

I don't care for the way the country is run or who is or isn't running it though.

People have the capacity to do great things for each other and society, unfortunately I think the place the country is in at the moment isn't conducive to this, and that's what where we need to see change. Just my opinion though.

And as for the littering, yes people drop litter, I used to do it as a kid sweet papers and the like but had it drummed into me that that's unacceptable. The numpty in the big car doing this says more about him than society, maybe they weren't given enough guidance as a child. Did anyone else pick up the litter? Or leave it for someone else to do as it's nothing to do with them? I find that mindset just as wrong.

Be excellent to each other

Does Anyone Actually Care About This Country Anymore

Of course they do. There's a percentage of people who don't get it. Always has been and always will be. The majority of the rest of us do what we can when we can to keep our corner of this island in good nick. London might be a special case but there's a lot more to Britannia than a large city in the south east.

Why didn't you throw it back inside the car? Some chavs dumped their Big Macs onto the pavement while I was walking past and I simply scooped it up and thrust it back through the window into their laps, saying "I think you dropped this".

Then I ran away and hid in a Starbucks, which is probably just as evil... 🙁

Round me lots care. Really good turn out for most key events in my village and most people say good morning.

Then I ran away and hid in a Starbucks

Quality. 😆

I think it's probably more a reflection of the kind of people who drive range rovers really.

I once watched someone scoop out a mountain of fag packets, Macdonalds detritus etc from said over-sized ego-tractor and just dump it all on the pavement, despite there being a bin about six foot away

The thing was, this was in the car park of Chester zoo, right outside the front entrance. He'd obviously fully absorbed the environmental message, and was setting a fine example to his two kids sat in the back

Perhaps its an issue of perspective you say your mainly getting negative vibes out of London OP.

Well lets be honest, it may be the nations capital but London doesn't really strike me as being totally representative of the whole UK.

There are nicer places and nicer people elsewhere in the UK hop on a train have a look about.

We've all got annecdotes involving some selfish **** or another engaged in public oafishness but these people are the exception not the rule.

Don't judge the state of our society based on the idiotic actions of an obnoxious man in a Range Rover. He's only representative of the idiots, and if you look, there aren't actually as many of them as it appears.

Just the other day the driver of the matt black X6 that was tailgating me through a beautiful part of east Lothian countryside finished his bottle of water and casually ejected it through the window. Presumed he was considering the environment and didn't want to carry un-nessisery weight any further.
Or he was a Twunt

jackthedog - Member
Don't judge the state of our society based on the idiotic actions of an obnoxious man in a Range Rover. He's only representative of the idiots, and if you look, there aren't actually as many of them as it appears.

Its not just that !

spend a bit of time in London and you'll see plenty of examples of helpful and courteous behaviour. It's one of the good things about the Tube, we're not all shut away in our own metal boxes being passive aggressive.
And as above, some people never have given a sh*t and never will. I don't believe they're representative.
Anyway, if you focus on them and assume everyone's like that you end up with a jaded view of life. Best to focus on the good people IMO

Challenge them at every opportunity

All that evil requires is for good men to do nothing

There's an old boy near me who walks up the stream in waders picking up the rubbish. Top man.
Littering really gets me. Most of it does seem to be burger boxes and fizzy pop bottles. Put a litter tax on macdonalds.
Having said all that I put all my litter in a bin then a man collects it takes it to a tip then onto an even bigger pile of rubbish in the countryside.

Hardly ever see anyone chucking stuff out of a car these days, it was rife in the 60's and 70's though. Does that mean people care more or less now?

I think it's probably more a reflection of the kind of people who drive range rovers really.

Funny how perceptions differ too- I can only recall seeing young kids in beat up old cars tossing stuff recently, and round our way the there's a lot less litter by the expensive houses than by the council estates.

Whats your thoughts on this.

Well, that's Wapping for you.......all that's emblamatic of the 1980s, Thatcher, Murdoch and the delightful City culture which Cameron has just 'saved'. In a 'Me Me Me' culture, what else can you expect but.....me me me?

And yes, there are plenty of places in the UK where people behave better than that towards each other, and try to care, and try (against the odds of community fragmentation) to evolve living communities.

In my village in rural Suffolk, any serial litter dumper, Range Rover or not, would be named and shamed with photos in the village shop!

But it's the other bit, the 'caring about this country' bit, which gets to me more. Do you honestly believe that the only way that people can manifest concern for each other is through 'caring about Britain'? 'This Country' and 'Our National Interest' and other such slogans are abstractions created by unscrupulous politicians to try to pull the wool over our eyes, and get us to do what they want, wrapping ourselves in the union jack while accepting wars, job cuts, and any other old crap while those with power and money get steadily richer and more powerful. It's all ideology, mate!

So yes, we can care about each other and our communities, and we often have to do this in the face of gung-ho jingoism as it happens. Oscar Wilde's comment on patriotism - the last refuge of the scoundrel seems relevent here. The problem with the RR driver is not that he's insufficiently patriotic (a meaningless concept for ordinary folk) but tht he's an anti-social git who's so caught up in his own wealth, power and status that he fails to see the real but invisible threads of community, treat-others-as-you-would-wish-to-be-treated-yourself syncronicity that really hold us all together, and without which we are both weaker and poorer in reality.

Made a few nationalistic dogs bark? I hope so!

Well lets be honest, it may be the nations capital but London doesn't really strike me as being totally representative of the whole UK.

There are nicer places and nicer people elsewhere in the UK hop on a train have a look about.

Oh here we go.... 🙄

There are ****s everywhere. Loads of times I've bin out in countryside and seen stuff dumped in ditches and stuff. Streams full of foam cos farmers are using nasty chemicals what they're not sposed to let enter the water table, etc. And how many times do we read about farmers/landowners blocking access and ROWs etc? Getting aggressive with folk?

And in the countryside you get cahs just wandering about pooing everywhere. Bang out of order. 🙁

Good and bad everywhere. Just that you get much greater concentrations of people in big cities, obviously, so yer gonna see more bad behaviour.

Personally, I'm struck by the narrow-mindedness and selfishness of some folk when I visit rural areas. Such as the selfish nimbyism of people what don't want a windfarm near them; they'd prefer it if someone else has to suffer fumes from a coal-fired power station or someone else's kids develop Leukaemia from living near a nuclear power station instead. As long as they can have their leccy and live comfortably away from all the oiks.

I live in a very poor area, with myriad social problems, yet still people are friendly towards each other, help each other out and that. A right nice little community is developing in the little bit I live in, and it's great that there's a right mix of characters and cultures and stuff. We might live cheek-by-jowl here, but we actually get to communicate with people from other social and cultural groups, which is great.

Well, that's Wapping for you.......all that's emblamatic of the 1980s, Thatcher, Murdoch and the delightful City culture which Cameron has just 'saved'. In a 'Me Me Me' culture, what else can you expect but.....me me me?

I drink in Wapping a fair bit, and I have to say that the majority of people down there are pretty decent tbh. The behaviour Grantway speaks of does not in any way sound typical of most people who live there, I have to say. It's a fairly quiet, peaceful sort of place, and those that pay silly money to live there don't tend to poo on their own doorstep really.

a guy bought his Fish & chips etc in a brand new Range Rover

That's London for you. Here in the provinces, we buy them in paper.

am i right in thinking that the consensus is that people throw litter because they're one of or a combination of the following:

unpatriotists
urbanists
ruralists
range roverists
chavists
evilists

isn't it cos they're just ****ists ?

I was once pausing by the side of a country back-road during a sunny biking afternoon. When I finished eating my banana, I chucked the skin over the hedge into a field, where it would of course, have eventually rottted back into the ground and/or blown away.

A range-rover driver who had just pulled off the M25 screeched to a halt and had a fuming, shouty red-faced go at me for littering the countryside, then drove off.

One of those occasions when you think of all the clever replies after the event...

The other day I was in Wapping and a guy bought his Fish & chips etc
in a brand new Range Rover and finished his food and packed it nicely
together and just thrown it out onto the pavement.

As an ex range rover driver and owner will know, the newver models are not fittied with any holder for used fish and chip wrapers, also i feel so sorry for the chap having to eat a takeaway in his vehicle, obviously times are harder for some .

Oh ansd bannana skins dont rot down, they just go brown and slippery, and are not eaten by an animal due to the tastes and stringyness.

Just gone to the shop near me and an Asian guy came out the shop before me
and just Pissed up a tree 🙄

why does it matter that he was asian ?

Maybe because he was Asian he actually lived in the tree.

Is that what you mean grantway?

It's European integration. He went to Spain on holiday and noted everyone chucked their rubbish out of the train/bus/car window and thought it would be cool to do like the latins.

Edukator - Member
It's European integration. He went to Spain on holiday and noted everyone chucked their rubbish out of the train/bus/car window and thought it would be cool to do like the latins.

Na I have a place in Spain and the law don't take kindly to people doing such things
and you see young guys pull up in there cars to put there tin cans etc in the bins

mainly find its the English disposing there rubbish in such a way.

trailmonkey - Member
why does it matter that he was asian ?

But he was ! If it was a piece of White shit i'll would have said White OK !
Or would he have been Pinkish with a bit of Anglo Saxon and Viking in him
would you have been happy
Sorry i did not ask for ones DNA or bothered to take an urine sample.

Na I have a place in Spain and the law don't take kindly to people doing such things
and you see young guys pull up in there cars to put there tin cans etc in the bins

I care a lot, but litter isn't a indication that nobody cares anymore. The lack of freedom of speech and the fact this country is not our own anymore indicates nobody cares.

Patriotism and our identity is fading

Woow Don Simon that is mad
Well Lucky for me i am in the District of Alicante
You can't even walk down the road with a beer in your hand
the Police will take it off of you

the fact this country is not our own anymore indicates nobody cares.

When was it 'ours'?

Or are you Viscount Eddie1971?

I commuted on the RENFE between Sitges and Barcelona for a year and I can assure you everything that didn't get dropped on the floor went out of the window to join the continuous pile of trash along the track.

People used to go out of the windows too as people afraid of not being able to get off at their stop hogged the doors. Getting on could be problematic unless you grabbed someone and tried to haul them off. One station master was quite happy to blow his whistle while a handicapped person sat in a wheelchair on the platform unable to get on despite abundant free places in the middle of the wagon.

no spin just English, a tax payer

The lack of freedom of speech and the fact this country is not our own anymore indicates nobody cares.

Such as the selfish nimbyism of people what don't want a windfarm near them; they'd prefer it if someone else has to suffer fumes from a coal-fired power station or someone else's kids develop Leukaemia from living near a nuclear power station instead. As long as they can have their leccy and live comfortably away from all the oiks.

windfarms don't replace conventional or nuclear power stations, none, zero, the need for conventional generating capacity for the grid remains and is not offset by 1MW by all the wind generation we build. They are a sop to the "we must do something" brigade as they are the most visual form of what is proports to be "green" energy

no spin just English, a tax payer

My post wasn't a dig (sorry if it sounded like one) but a real question.

Why do you think we have less ownership of the nation than in the past?

Because EDF owns your electricity network and Suez much of your water, Foreigners own major share holdings in your other national champions and rich arabs own anything worth owning in London. Hospitals you used to own are leased back to you and if it can be privatised it has been. Blair sold your country and now you pay rent to those that bought it.

I'm sorry I asked now.

Is your real name Alf Garnett?

Does this country care about its people any more?

not our own maybe wasn't the right way of making my point. My point is that we the English are becoming the minority, and my point of freedom speech is when the Anglian Guards came home after a tour of Afghanistan they were greeted with baby killers painted on protest boards and being abused by men in beards and wearing bed sheets. And what did the police do arrest the people who was trying stop them doing so.

would that have happened in America, no way

And what did the police do arrest the people who was trying stop them doing so.

Well obviously it's everyone else's fault not yours, or is it? Where were your shoes made and where are your favourite shoot 'em up video games from. And which paper do you buy?

Freedom of speech is a double edged sword as people use it to say things you both agree and disagree with. Like the man said: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I agree that people protesting like that against soldiers are idiots for the simple reason that it's the government they should be targeting for taking us into the war in the first place.

The English are not a minority in England. A glance at the census will verify this and begs the question what qualifies you as English?

abusing war heroes should be denied, and freedom of speech works when it suits. The time when it doesn't suit is when its coming from a white guy talking about this country's ethos and beliefs.

would that have happened in America, no way

America is weird. Whatever ills and differences of opinion there are in the USofA they all (well mostly) rally to that flag.

There is a strong glue holding that place together. Perhaps that is what you are referring to when you suggest this country is not what it was?

Best speech ever wrote

This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most English believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

But he was ! If it was a piece of White shit i'll would have said White OK !

sure ok.

it's just that you didn't seem to deem it necessary to mention anyone's heritage in the o.p

The other day I was in Wapping and a guy bought his Fish & chips etc

so maybe you wouldn't have. ok ?

Best speech ever [s]wrote[/s] written

I have no right to comment further as I'm Welsh, see you.

Best speech ever wrote

It's written.

if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language

Good night.

I'll email the webpage it was copied from to correct the error didn't realise it was a English test.

trailmonkey - Member
But he was ! If it was a piece of White shit i'll would have said White OK !
sure ok.

it's just that you didn't seem to deem it necessary to mention anyone's heritage in the o.p

The other day I was in Wapping and a guy bought his Fish & chips etc
so maybe you wouldn't have. ok ?
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No I wouldn't Thats one of the reasons I started the thread

That's 4x4 drivers for you.

If you don't live at the end of a long, unmade farm track, and you drive
a 4x4, you're not right in the head. You've already given the environment a grandiose two-fingered gesture, and any casual littering you do is merely the cherry on the cake.

An English text. I'm a foreigner and immigrant so I assume I'm allowed to mkae typos.

im going to lead a revolution and it will be a utopia then, i dont however live in england so you freaks are all screwed

you will be allowed i should imagine

didn't realise it was a English test

Oh the irony...

Just a thought that keeps on running through ones mind
for what i am seeing day to day and talking to people
mainly within London.
The other day I was in Wapping and a guy bought his Fish & chips etc
in a brand new Range Rover and finished his food and packed it nicely
together and just thrown it out onto the pavement.
Whats your thoughts on this.
Just what is the mannerism of people where you are.

Being in London they probably were not even from the uk.

Last time I went, like any capital, there was more tourists and foreign workers than natives.

I give a crap though, that's why I want to move to a rural village, once of the last boltholes of britishness.

Oh the irony...

My point is that we the English are becoming the minority, and my point of freedom speech is when the Anglian Guards came home after a tour of Afghanistan they were greeted with baby killers painted on protest boards and being abused by men in beards and wearing bed sheets

You'll probably like this, eddie:

I'll email the webpage it was copied from to correct the error

Their error? The thing is, google only has 2 hits for that phrase, one this thread, the other totally unrelated (though the "[url= http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml ]speech[/url]" itself pops up all over the place). Are you sure you didn't add that bit yourself?

sorry copied from email, I assumed the lot was copied from the web. Can't believe nobody mentions the point the speech is making. Lets close our eyes and hope it all goes away.

sorry if I offended anyone, I'm just a proud English man scared of what the future holds for my children and the country we call home.

that's not the anthem

Jeeze I've missed all this fun! 😆

Send the buggers back, I say....

Can't believe nobody mentions the point the speech is making.

That whoever wrote it is a bit thick?

I'm just a proud English man scared of what the future holds for my children and the country we call home.

Why not follow that advice and take advantage of the freedom afforded you by this great country and just **** off somewhere else.

As a scot how do i fit into your fears and hope Englander?

Can't believe nobody mentions the point the speech is making

[That whoever wrote it is a bit thick?]]

what a comment, then we wonder why the country is like it is, put your head in the sand iDave

why is it lonely there on your won?

sorry junkyard Britain then, are you not also a proud Scotsman didn't mean to offend.

what a comment, then we wonder why the country is like it is

You might wonder and worry, I don't. I like lots of countries, don't limit myself to one. I don't fear for my kids future, I try and equip them for it.

This isn't going to end well. I'm Welsh but my parents might not be off these shores. Can I stay?
I fear for the future in a world of xenophobia and intolerance. Fortunately the Empire got so great by not learning local languages and teaching the natives English and imposing English values on them.

I'm off then. Bye all. You comin' iDave?

It's been emotional.

I fear for this country when nasty xenophobes and bigots flourish. I am a proud briton and one of the things that makes Britain great is the tolerance and friendliness that seems to be disappearing under the relentless barrage of right wing propaganda

It's European integration. He went to Spain on holiday and noted everyone chucked their rubbish out of the train/bus/car window and thought it would be cool to do like the latins.

white Australians think they are English