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A mate of mine said that it was a bad idea to carry a photo id. He said the police would be less likely to pursue an offence if you had no id.
I reckon that's rubbish.
What do you reckon?
What kind of offence are you thinking of committing?
Don't offend. 'tis easy.
"Oy! We just saw you kill a bloke with your bare hands. Show us some photo ID!"
"Not got none"
"Oh. OK, sonny. On yer way."
😐
ah a mate who said that he knew someone who......
I carry photo ID as I legally have to when driving here and it's in my wallet. Mostly if it's serious the police will take you somewhere to prove who you are.
I'm guessing if they get you for the Nat West job you might be done for with or without id
Yes I do, you're mate is a fool.
Carry my Australian driving license as its the law!
No I don't, your mate is a fool.
Yes I do.
No, but I keep being asked for one in more and more hotels in London, maybe I just look shift!
It will be made compulsory at some point, just a matter of time. Prob as part of your driving license.
I carry my driving licence. If I get taken to hospital unconscious I'd quite like the doctors to know who I am.
for example a minor motoring offence
I carry my photo driving licence, just because it comes in handy every so often, so it may as well be in my wallet.
The police have never asked for me to prove who I am. Seems a bit odd that someone wouldn't carry it for that reason.
for example a minor motoring offence
If you can prove who you are, the police will take a note of your details and let you go. If you can't, you'll be accompanied to a police station until they can determine your identity.
Though photo ID isn't required in my experience, just sufficient proof that you are who you say you are.
I carry my driving license, it comes in useful pretty often. Also, despite being 26 I get ID'd quite a lot for booze...
Some of us are so old we don't have photos on our driving licenses 😉
I sometimes do ,your mate is a fool( now and again )
Some of us are so old we don't have photos on our driving licenses
I never used to, but I think as soon as you change address they swap it for a new one.
[i]It will be made compulsory at some point, just a matter of time.[/i]
I think they tried that, I think it caused a bit of a furore...
tbh it probably causes me more inconvienance not to carry id that it is just to carry the damned card
i get round the issue of being asked to produce it during an offence by not commiting and offence....
[i]If you can prove who you are, the police will take a note of your details and let you go. If you can't, you'll be accompanied to a police station until they can determine your identity.
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Incorrect, unless its a serious offence - have you never watched the various Cop shows?
As long as the vehicle is in your name which they can check, you'll be fine.
For most of my adult life I lived in Hong Kong where you had to carry an ID card - and I had no problem with it.
The way I looked at it if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you carry ID?
I think you'll find the government has basically implemented ID cards in the UK by stealth, with the change to the photo-card driving licences - its an ID card in everything but name 😆
The way I looked at it if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you carry ID?
If you're not doing anything wrong, then why should you be obliged to do anything?
OP - the main justification for not carrying photo ID is just so you can get away with an offence (minor or otherwise)...Interesting set of sensibilites there mate!
I've never once been asked for Photo ID whilst committing armed robbery, so I stopped carrying it.
Some of us are so old we don't have photos on our driving licenses
Me too but ermmm! Committed an offensive and had to have it renewed.
Incorrect, unless its a serious offence - have you never watched the various Cop shows?
I got stopped years ago 2 days after buying a car, the car was registered to the garage still, they asked if I had any ID or they'd need to take me until I provided some. Luckily after a few seconds they recognised me from work. 😀
Yes, do, because in my jurisdiction I'm required to carry my driving license when I drive, and because my profession requires photo ID for some of its functions.
The way I looked at it if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you carry ID?
The problem is that a) it places a requirement on people to do something when that requirement achieves sod all and b) the right of a police officer to check whether someone has ID allows the police/state to interfere with people without them having a reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. In other words ifI'm not doing anything wrong, piss off.
The way I looked at it if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you carry ID?
I'll just set up this video camera in your bedroom then. You're not doing anything wrong, so no bother, eh?
I carry a mirror. If challenged I can look into it and say yep, that's me.
The problem is that a) it places a requirement on people to do something when that requirement achieves sod all and b) the right of a police officer to check whether someone has ID allows the police/state to interfere with people without them having a reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed. In other words ifI'm not doing anything wrong, piss off.
You forgot c) it criminalises people who have caused no harm or loss to anyone (eg forget your ID nipping to the shop for milk, you're now a criminal).
The way I looked at it if you're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't you carry ID?If you're not doing anything wrong, then why should you be obliged to do anything?
Not trying to trample your rights here, just giving my experiences of living in a country that required people to carry ID. I found there was no downside to it, and occasional upsides - that being on the few occasions when I needed to prove who I was, it was achieved simply, quickly, and without any embarrassment, and I was on my way again.
There is another argument for carring ID of course, and that is that the law abiding majority has their 'rights' marginally infringed by having to carry identification, in order that the police and other officials we employ to enforce our rules and keep us safe can do their job more effectively. We make these compromises of personal freedom in the general interests of society more readily in other aspects of life - having number plates on our cars for example, but carrying personal ID seems to generate much more emotion!
that being on the few occasions when I needed to prove who I was, it was achieved simply, quickly, and without any embarrassment, and I was on my way again.
Unless I'm actually a suspected of something, why would I need to prove who I am? Additionally why would anyone assume that I am not who I say I am?
this thread remind me - my license ran out 2 years ago, need to get it updated !
I found there was no downside to it
There's already a massive and not particularly subtle inequality in the use of existing police powers between different groups (in Australia and the UK). If you changed the law so that anyone could be approached and interfered with for an ID check without any reason, that injustice would only increase.
If it were so convenient and downside-free, everyone would be doing it already. Why get the armed wing of the state involved in something the market can fix?
My driving licence is in my wallet mainly because I'm less likely to lose it there than if I put it in a safe place. I usually carry my wallet. Sometimes I don't (when I'm running, on short bike rides). Sometimes I'll carry a bit of cash and pick up my driving licence while I'm at it. Sometimes I won't.
My intention to commit a criminal offence has nothing to do with this decision, it tends to be about carrying something that will allow me to be identified in the event of an emergency.
Hmm. All I can think of now, is the words "fascist police state"
The thought of being arrested for forgeting a little plastic card with my photo on fills me with joy.
b r - Member
If you can prove who you are, the police will take a note of your details and let you go. If you can't, you'll be accompanied to a police station until they can determine your identity.Incorrect, unless its a serious offence - have you never watched the various Cop shows?
Police can arrest for any offence, under s24 PACE, if the necesity tests is met and one of the reasons necesary for arrest is to establish the identity of the person commiting the offence;
for believing that their arrest is necessary and which the officer considers
satisfy one or more of the statutory criteria in sub-paragraphs (a) to (f),
namely:
(a) to enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the
case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain,
the person’s name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a
name given by the person as his name is his real name
So the OP's mate is wrong and also fails to recognise that a constable may be satisfied by proof of i.d without a photo on it.
My intention to commit a criminal offence has nothing to do with this decision, it tends to be about carrying something that will allow me to be identified in the event of an emergency.
however, whether I carry my own id or my fake TJ id depends on the offense I intend causing
Why get the armed wing of the state involved in something the market can fix?
Ouch!! Libertard alert !! 🙂
I have various passes and permit to work etc that have photos on but I don't make an effort to carry photo ID. Stupidly some of my clients that require photos for their passes make me take my glasses off for the photo. I then spend the next 20 minutes making their lives as miserable as possible by looking the wrong way, asking help with moving, asking why they need me take my glasses off as there's only 2 people ago ever see me without them on (my optician and my partner).
I don't have any photo ID, so don't carry it.
I keep my drivers license with me, needed it the time I was stopped by bicycle based police for an offensive type moment.
Don't drive so no new style photo license, certainly don't carry passport around with me, work ID is photo but all the details are electronic so just my face on a plain white card.
So no, couldn't easily prove I was me if I had to
on the subject of ID, a Bill Bryson story that I like:
[i]A year or so ago, as a way of dealing with the increased threat of terrorism, America's airlines began requiring passengers to present photographic identification when checking in for a flight. The first I heard of this was when I showed up to catch a plane at an airport 120 miles from my home.
"I need to see some picture ID," said the clerk, who had the charm and boundless motivation you would expect to find in someone whose primary employment perk is a nylon tie.
"Really? I don't think I have any," I said and began patting my pockets, as if that would make a difference, and then pulling cards from my wallet. I had all kinds of identification-library card, credit cards, social security card, health insurance card, airline ticket-all with my name on them, but nothing with a picture.
Finally, at the back of the wallet I found an old Iowa driver's license that I had forgotten I even had.
"This is expired," he sniffed.
"Then I won't ask to drive the plane," I replied.
"Anyway, it's fifteen years old. I need something more up to date."
I sighed and rooted through my belongings. Finally it occurred to me that I was carrying one of my books with my picture on the jacket. I handed it to him proudly and with some relief.
He looked at the book and then hard at me and then at a printed list. "That's not on our list of Permissible Visual Cognitive Imagings," he said, or something similarly vacuous.
"I'm sure it isn't, but it's still me. It couldn't be more me."
I lowered my voice and leaned closer to him.
"Are you seriously suggesting that I had this book specially printed so I could sneak on to a flight to Buffalo?"[/i]
Without photo id I wouldn't be able to buy WD-40.
Legend (aged 31)
Some of us are so old we don't have photos on our driving licenses
Ha! I was born in 1954, and I've got one! My old paper license needed updating, had torn in two, and the option to take advantage of the initial introduction of photo licences seemed to be all advantage, no disadvantage.
Having been asked for ID to buy alcohol in the US, in my thirties (!), and being faced with a bemused check-out girl who couldn't grasp how a driving license without a photo was of any use for ID, and having been asked for ID in building societies and banks at various times, it was a no-brainer.
The fact that it's a nice, credit card sized bit of plastic that sits inside my Jimi wallet, along with my debit card, Oyster card, building society card and work security door pass just makes like so much easier, on the odd occasion that someone asks for ID or address details, I can just flip my wallet open and there's the info they require.
I'm not obliged to carry it, but so far I've never found a single disadvantage to carrying it with me, and I can't quite understand why anybody would.