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I don't hate anyone.
I just feel sorry for them, because they can never be as good as me. 🙁
"I do hate Southerners because I have an inferiority complex, but I'll express my hatred in such a way that is condescending and makes me feel better about myself"
People on a mountain biking forum feeling an inferiority complex about living in the north? Oh the irony.
>I dunno but I really wish the north of England could join with Scotland and go independent.
+1
😀 I feel chuffed and superior every time I ride out of my back door and up a mountain! My move was a good idea!
People on a mountain biking forum feeling an inferiority complex about living in the north? Oh the irony.
If your mini-rant was just about nice places to ride I agree, it would be ironic.
I've come to reckon that how much you shout about your own area is in inverse proportion to how great it is.
I've been going to The Borders every summer for the past few years and have found the Scots nothing but friendly, helpful and welcoming. Also been to London a few times in recent years. Hmmm....
grum - MemberI dunno but I really wish the north of England could join with Scotland and go independent.
that's a brilliant idea! - i live in sheffield, does the proposed cut-off come down that far?
ooOOoo you could be onto something there the best thing about West Oxfordshire today is my hangover!
I've come to reckon that how much you shout about your own area is in inverse proportion to how great it is.
Very true, seems to be that they need to find and tell reasons rather than them being obvious...
I've come to reckon that how much you shout about your own area is in inverse proportion to how great it is.
So presumably Fred's constant shouting about how London is the 'greatest city in the world' means that it's actually rubbish?
I'm quite happy for southerners to think the north/Scotland is crap tbh - keeps the ****ers away. 🙂
that's a brilliant idea! - i live in sheffield, does the proposed cut-off come down that far?
Think you're just about ok yup. 🙂
choose rain, midges and weegies
as a midlander (don't associate me with those shandy drinking sourthern bastewards 😈 ) I defintely don't hate the scottish, but going by the reaction we got in Dornie two years ago (home of that castle that dominated the castle thread not long back), the ONLY people who were pleasant to us were the polish/austrialians/non-scottish people.
It was quite unbelievable how rude the hotels and local pub staff in the village were to us, whether that representative of the whole of scotland is a different matter..
I think there has been an increase in anti-scottish sentiment in the south east over the last few years. From what people say to me it's because people down hear are slowly beginning to realise how hated the English are in certain parts of Scotland and are responding accordingly.
silly really, its all one island
So presumably Fred's constant shouting about how London is the 'greatest city in the world' means that it's actually rubbish?
No, it means that London [i]is[/i] the Greatest City in the World. It's actually scientifically proven fact.
OK I'm proposing this as the new independent state - need a name though
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Now you didn't mention the Irish before
& for that reason, I'm out
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the ONLY people who were pleasant to us were the polish/austrialians/non-scottish people.
Not suggesting anything but I've lived here for a few years now, travelled all over, and I've not yet had an unpleasant reaction from a Scot despite sounding like a southerner. I've walked into local pubs happily, I've cycled through and stopped to buy stuff in the east end of Glasgow and a few of the outlying villages and never yet failed to get a smile and some pleasant chat. Most people are lovely, even if they might think they're walked all over.
grum - what's wrong with scousers, you miserable git.
I'm quite happy for southerners to think the north/Scotland is crap tbh - keeps the ****ers away
scotland isn't crap (well apart from the football), it's a great country. it's just that some of it's indigenous population have some funny ideas about how they are perceived by non-scots. that and their own peculiar brand of nationalism based on historical oppression with no relevance in the modern world.
coffeeking
Not suggesting anything but I've lived here for a few years now, travelled all over, and I've not yet had an unpleasant reaction from a Scot despite sounding like a southerner
I wasn't tarring of the poulation with my post, as per my comment
z1ppy
whether that representative of the whole of scotland is a different matter..
All I know is we were obviously from the midlands (some very very thick black country accents) and were basically forced to drive every night to get a drink where we were welcome.
grum the M4 would make the ideal border, would it not?
From my personal experience, perhaps it's got something to to with the my enduring observation of the anti-English attitude from virtually every Scottish person that I have ever met! Seriously, the negative attitude toward the English is so blatant and highly offensive. I guess it has something to do with history, but move on guys! Why should we personally have to bear the brunt of Scottish anger?
I see that Scotland is a Labour stronghold. What I can't understand is, after 13 years of a Labour administration in Westminster, with a cabinet comprising of many Scottish people, why they have failed to address the problems of a north/south divide. Yet still people vote for them.
All that seems to have changed is that the taxpayer funded handouts have been disproportionally increased in Scotland. This wouldn't be so bad if the administration weren't running up billions of public debt at a rate not seen since WW2 and without any indication of how thay will control this runaway train!
So the English have every right to feel aggrieved by the unfair benefits that the Scots currently enjoy, at the expense of all of the UK population.
z1ppy - I wasn't suggesting you were tarring anyone, I was wondering why you've had so many problems and I've not. I am most definitely more wonderful than you 😆 Or what I actually meant by it was maybe you just came across as a bit of a noisy/brash invasion party and the historic response was brought out. Bit hard to tell from a one-sided description, I was just putting the other side of the coin lol.
From my personal experience, perhaps it's got something to to with the my enduring observation of the anti-English attitude from virtually every Scottish person that I have ever met! Seriously, the negative attitude toward the English is so blatant and highly offensive. I guess it has something to do with history, but move on guys! Why should we personally have to bear the brunt of Scottish anger?
Where the hell have you visited? IME this is just not the case, I've found Scots to be more welcoming than almost anywhere I can think of, and over a sustained period of time and a variety of locations from the chic expensive parts to the grim council estates.
grum - MemberOK I'm proposing this as the new independent state - need a name though
Profligania?
DezB - Member
It does irk that we can have a Scot as PM.
Would Scotland have an Englishman in charge?
How many Scottish Prime Ministers have there been since the Union? I think you'll find that Scotland regularly has an Englishman in charge.
To the OP (and many of the rest) - remember that anything you hear on the radio / read in the Evening Standard is not necessarily representative of widespread opinion. The idea that the English all hate the Scots and vice-versa is only promulgated by the media in order to give them something to write and talk about.
yossarian - Member
I think there has been an increase in anti-scottish sentiment in the south east over the last few years. From what people say to me it's because people down hear are slowly beginning to realise how hated the English are in certain parts of Scotland and are responding accordingly.
Except that, as I say above, that's just not true.
No, it means that London is the Greatest City in the World. It's actually scientifically proven fact.
Just how did London become so great a city Fred ? Empire wasn't so bad a thing for you after all then eh ?
Bet you like stately homes as well don't you. 😉
Spongebob - MemberAll that seems to have changed is that the taxpayer funded handouts have been disproportionally increased in Scotland.
So the English have every right to feel aggrieved by the unfair benefits that the Scots currently enjoy, at the expense of all of the UK population.
Except that none of that is true.
The idea that the English all hate the Scots....is only promulgated by the media in order to give them something to write and talk about.
Yes.
and vice-versa
No.
Grum, itsa very good start.
i'd extend the border to somewhere south of Shrewsbury, and i'd like to invite lincolnshire - not many hills but it's good turnip country...
I don't think the southern English hate the Scots at all. Most of us are mildly put out that some of them hate us so much.
But saying that, I've never experienced any direct hostility on my numerous visits to Scottyland. Wales however...
Anything like this Cha****ng? 😀
Bellamy's People - Welshmen paul whitehouse
grum - MemberOK I'm proposing this as the new independent state - need a name though
Shoutyland?
Just how did London become so great a city Fred ? Empire wasn't so bad a thing for you after all then eh ?Bet you like stately homes as well don't you.
Good point, and well made. Mind, hard to find a city that [i]isn't[/i] built on exploitation really.
However, London's current Greatness is due to it's incredible diversity of people, culture and ideas. It is a truly amazing place. And I'm proud to call it my Home. As should people of all places (except for Warrington). Scotland's great, the North's great (not Warrington though), Britain is great. Pity we all can't stop bloody arguing about silly little things though.
I once asked my mate Scottish Kev (he's from Scotland) why the English are hated so by many Scots./ He said that it's part of Scottish Cultural Heritage to have an inbuilt hatred of the English. He also said that most Scots are 'nae bothered' about the English really, and that it's only the thick boneheaded ill-educated ignorant parochials in a few places that are truly hateful. But then you get idiots like that everywhere.
Bit of friendly rivalry's ok; hatred is just sad.
Coffeeking
Or what I actually meant by it was maybe you just came across as a bit of a noisy/brash invasion party and the historic response was brought out
We were defintely not you classic invasion/stag party crowd, 7 biker's with an average age of 47 (ranging from 36-68), we like love a drink but are none of the guys have a violent bone in them.
The shame was for the hotel and pub, this was a boy's holiday and we like a good drink, and would have spent £100's on food and drinks if given a chance.
We arrive late in the afternoon, had a drink in the pub came back to the hotel at 10.30 for a couple more before bed and were met with so much hostility it was unreal.
It has completely put of off the majority of the guys ever returning again.
Being of Scottish family born in Yorkshire and now living in the South East and can honestly say "the Scots" rarely cross my mind.
I suppose if forced on the subject I find the subdivision of our small island into even smaller countries a little ludicrous especially when advocates of devolution in Britain seem keen to immiediatly reliquish that independance to Europe, strange.
Then again what do I know.
Haha. Yes a bit like that, but with more alcohol involved.
Grum - The problem with your proposed partition is that it includes Manchester, which will immediately declare itself the capital and erect a hugely expensive pariliament building that will bankrupt your entire fledgeling nation.
i don't hate the scots, i envy them 😥
but soon i hope to be amongst them 8)
I see that Scotland is a Labour stronghold. What I can't understand is, after 13 years of a Labour administration in Westminster, with a cabinet comprising of many Scottish people, why they have failed to address the problems of a north/south divide. Yet still people vote for them.
What is the alternative. The tories shut everything they could in Scotland so no-one up here votes for them. Most other people think SNP and Lib Dem a wasted vote
Actually I have once had an experience similar to Zippy's in a pub near Pitlochry, where the landlord was an absolute arsehole.
Ironically he was an Englishman playing up to his crowd of Scottish regulars.
For the purposes of balance, I'm Scottish and I hate everyone equally, including my fellow countrymen.
We were defintely not you classic invasion/stag party crowd, 7 biker's with an average age of 47 (ranging from 36-68), we like love a drink but are none of the guys have a violent bone in them.
2 things. 1 you suggest several times that you like a drink etc and were out to drink a lot etc, in a group. This is generally frowned on (despite the reputation) from what I see - in town here you're rarely allowed into places in groups of more than 2 and definitely not if you're already drunk. And that's scots, not even English.
2, your average age means nothing, if you were loud strangers and had beer in you already you were probably being kept at arms length. I can't speak for them, but I've never seen any problems like this except with people who are already drunk or being loud and coming across as agressive whether they think they are or not.
The Labour campaign up here was on one issue only - vote for Labour if you want to keep the Tories out - and appears to have been very successful. I suspect we're a generation away from their being a significant Tory support in Scotland unless PR comes in.
Despite their low number of SNP MP's I suspect this is looking like a win/win situation for them:
1) A Tory minority government would have little mandate to govern in Scotland putting some stress on the union from north of the border
2) Any Lib/Lab/Others alliance would have to rely on their Scottish MP's voting in the UK parliament on devolved issues, bring the West Lothian question to the front of the debate down south and putting stress on the Union from south of the border
Why is Dumfries Tory, do you Scots think?
Curious as we've been looking up that way.
don't suppose you want cornwall too, do you?
Regarding the English/Scots debate. Being a half caste myself, I find it a bit weird.
South of the Border: The issue doesn't exist. People don't realy see the Scots as anything other than part of the same community
North of the Border: Its a big issue possibly exacerbated by the fact that the English just don't get it.
Do the Southern English really hate the Scots then?
Only on Calcutta Cup day! 😀
Given that where I live France is 85km away and Scotland is 500km away I think most people are more interested in Europe than Scotland. My partner is from NE Scotland though and we go up there regularly to see the outlaws. I've always found the Scots to be friendly and welcoming so I certainly don't hate them.