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I've always been an extremely healthy eater.. (possibly to counterbalance the other very unhealthy aspects of my lifestyle)..
since settling down with my SO.. (who will only eat stuff she fancies regardless of health benefits) I have had to adapt to an UNHEALTHY diet and I'm becoming a fat, spotty, sugar and caffeine addicted, heart disease nurturing ****wit..
hates
can anyone help me out...
idave has sent me an attachemnt via hotmail and i cant open it!!
it is saying its an unknown file type ??
any ideas??
cheers
steve
edit cancel that i ve managed to get it opened!!
They work because you end up eating less calories. You do that for 3 main reasons:-
1- a large group of calorie dense and easy to eat foods are removed from your diet
2- the high protein content leads to more satiation after meals
3- the low level of carbohydrates and sugar in the diets lead to extremely stable insulin levels, which helps to control appetite and possibly helps growth hormone metabolism of fat, making the energy from fat more available and thus reducing the desire to eat.
No ketosis here (and only a few pixies).
Colin
yunki, why do you have to eat unhealthy shit? are you a force-fed child? eat what you want and let your SO die young. unreal.
Boys Can Cook Too.
Have been reading this thread with interest - IDave if you are still sending out then would appreciate the prog too. ruthDOTandyATbtinternetDOTcom Ta muchly.
eat what you want and let your SO die young. unreal.
some of us enjoy sharing food 🙂
got to here in this thread and stopped reading:
epic fails already from TJ and Alexoff to the office, might post optimal advice later if I can be arsed, with no book to sell or fee's to charge
unreal.
OK.. so maybe I chose to adapt as not only do we enjoy sharing food... and cooking for one another.. but we also have a strict food budget.. a timeframe to work within.. and a business and family household to run from our very tiny overcrowded kitchen.
is that real enough?
FFS
Twas just a bit of self deprecating humour... In fact.. for you to take my post seriously says more about you iDave than it does about me..
that sounds real enough, and it's fine. just seems odd that you accept becoming.....
'fat, spotty, sugar and caffeine addicted, heart disease nurturing ****wit'
when it's not necessary. none of what you say rules out any particular foods?
hitman - good one
is that real enough?
but Mr. iDave is a [b]nutritionist[/b], which as we all know is synonymous will demigod status, and his word is law...
but Mr. iDave is a nutritionist, which as we all know is synonymous will demigod status, and his word is law...
where did you get that from? I am a demigod, but not a nutritionist. maybe i could be a nutritionalationary person. would that help you come to terms with it all?
Trying to dodge the sillyness, and avoiding the hair-trigger tempers of some on here, I've found this thread unusually informative, and so my thanks to iDave and others for even bothering to share/help those on here who ask.
Ta
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For whats its worth, what can be more important than feeding yourself properly ?. I'm sure I don't know.
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S
oh
what can be more important than feeding yourself properly ?
but nobody knows what that is...
[i]but nobody knows what that is...
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Good point, but there would seem to be those who know what it isn't, so thats a start.
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This diet, does it have any documented side effects on the personality such as excessive tetchiness? 🙂
Good point, but there would seem to be those who know what it isn't, so thats a start.
do they ? [b]iDave[/b] said "no fruit" 🙁 I have a feeling what you eat doesn't matter much. We have a system basically designed for almost mindless creatures which cannot read internet forums, and many species have survived for millions of years without such advice...
[i]effects on the personality such as excessive tetchiness? [/i]
I thought that was the STW "forum effect", FE
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S
[i]We have a system basically designed for almost mindless creatures which cannot read internet forums, and many species have survived for millions of years without such advice... [/i]
Only those who have survived.
But I bet few other creatures sit around at work all day, eating/drinking stuff from.......the vending machine, etc, etc, sedentary working.
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Not sure we can be compared to any other creature on earth, think Tesco and McDonalds have made sure of that.
I just like some of what I've read here, and if it helps one person, then thats a good thing, imo.
S
and if it helps one person, then thats a good thing, imo.
but if one lot says have 5 pieces of fruit a day and the other says don't have any, how do we choose ?
Only those who have survived.
I'm guessing the picky eaters had less offspring...
I'm guessing the picky eaters had less offspring...
the sight of them fishing-out the bits of food they didn't quite like the look of was more that enough to put off any prospective mate.
I had a protein shake this morning, why? Becasue it;
a)tastes nice
b)seems to keep me from feeling hungry for hours
C)winds TJ up no end :p
molgrips - MemberThe best way to reduce sugar cravings is to quit sugar - you can wind down or go cold turkey.
Molgrips - you have admitted to consuming huge amounts of sugar a week. You can of coke as a recovery drink - 35 g of sugar. (IIRC) all those sports and recovery drinks - full of maltodextrin which is sugar etc etc
TINAS - have them if you want - its the believers in the magic pixie dust in these things that irritate me.
Molgrips - you have admitted to consuming huge amounts of sugar a week
Doesn't make what I said untrue though.
Sports drinks are maltodextrin, not sugar. Quite different. And a different effect on the brain too.
But you won't listen to me, will you? 🙂
[i]but if one lot says have 5 pieces of fruit a day and the other says don't have any, how do we choose ?[/i]
Ah, but I think you're introducing different requirements there.
IIRC, the 5-a-day campaign was not aimed specifically at weightloss, and if I'm not mistaken, iDave has kindly giving advice that would seem to be of some use to a few on here, seeking to control/understand/reduce their weight.
Reading this thread, what has interested me, amongst other things, is the use of the word [i]Diet[/i]
My definition of [i]Diet[/i] is what I eat to live, and not a temporary feeding regime in order to hit a target weight. It may seem as a small distinction, but am important one, I feel.
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S
Maltodextrin is suger - a mix of different ones. What do you think it is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltodextrin
what can be more important than feeding yourself properly ?
but nobody knows what that is...
Thing is, there are loads of ways to feed yourself properly, same as there are loads of ways of earning a living. What you've got to do is understand how your body works, listen to it, and then understand food.
Be your own nutritionist, it's not so difficult.
PS 5-a day was dreamt up so everyone could understand it. Should be obvious that some fruit and veg is much better for you than others, and those are the ones you would be better off eating.
2 oranges, 2 apples and some lettuce is going to do nothing for you. A portion each of broccoli, beans, cabbage, peas and tomatoes is much better - for example.
Sigh.
TJ, what's the first line in that article you linked to?
Maltodextrin is a polysaccharide.
[i]Sports drinks are maltodextrin, not sugar. Quite different. And a different effect on the brain too.[/i]
I always thought sports drinks are usually maltodextrin and glucose.
Kev
are usually maltodextrin and glucose.
and of course maltodextrin cannot pass into the blood stream till it has been broken down into er, glucose 🙂
What you've got to do is understand how your body works
actually, you don't, it's designed to be automatic 🙂
IIRC, the 5-a-day campaign was not aimed specifically at weightloss, and if I'm not mistaken, iDave has kindly giving advice that would seem to be of some use to a few on here, seeking to control/understand/reduce their weight.
but it's no good losing weight if all your teeth fall out 🙁
Most effective way to loose weight is actually really simple. Just eat one dog dirt sandwich a day just before you go to bed. You are guaranteed to loose weight. You breath will smell though.
I always thought sports drinks are usually maltodextrin and glucose.
I buy 5kg pure maltodextrin in a tub. Trust me, it's not glucose.
actually, you don't, it's designed to be automatic
a) it's not designed at all
b) it's evolved to benefit from certain imperatives which are no longer relevant. Ie, fill your face at every opportunity.
[i]Thing is, there are loads of ways to feed yourself properly, same as there are loads of ways of earning a living. What you've got to do is understand how your body works, listen to it, and then understand food.
Be your own nutritionist, it's not so difficult.
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Very good, but for some, the message has been lost, or drowned-out by the huge marketing efforts of companies offering convinience, taste, etc, etc.
And so for these people, choosing the [i]right[/i] food can be difficult, hence campaignes like the 5-a-day.
Guess it comes down to education and an ability to understand what works for you, within sensible parameters.
imo, iDave has offered some sensible parameters/advice. Try it, don't try it. Sup to you.
I especially like the reference to exercise too.
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S
Keva- usually maltodextrin and fructose but sometimes glucose or other sugars and sometimes just maltodextrin.
Maltodextrin is a mix of diffeent lengths of glucose polymers - hence polysaccharides. Maltodextrin varies from 3 - 19glucose units in length.
Do yourself a favour Molgrips - read up on this stuff.
I buy 5kg pure maltodextrin in a tub. Trust me, it's not glucose.
wiki: "Maltodextrin consists of D-glucose units connected in chains of variable length. The glucose units are primarily linked with ?(1?4) glycosidic bonds. Maltodextrin is typically composed of a mixture of chains that vary from three to nineteen glucose units long"
these molecules are too long to pass through the intestine walls and have to be chopped down into glucose to be absorbed. The advantage is the slow release compared to the blood sugar level spike obtained from eating pure sugar or glucose.
oh, and does that mean we shouldn't trust anything else you say either ?
LoL @
[i]Most effective way to loose weight is actually really simple. Just eat one dog dirt sandwich a day just before you go to bed. You are guaranteed to loose weight. You breath will smell though.
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Its DogDirt sandwiches all-round. Excellent 😉
[i]but it's no good losing weight if all your teeth fall out
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Yeah, possibly, but my dentist told me to ease off the fruit (I like the citrus stuff) as it was causing tooth enamel errosion.
Eat fruit = No teeth
Don't eat Fruit = No teeth
Aarrgh !, I can't win.... 😀
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S
iDave has offered some sensible parameters/advice
I find all this quite interesting after exhaustive efforts to change my other half's eating habits and I also spent many years attempting to adhere to a strict I-tal diet..
It's just a shame that iDave had to be so damned offensive cos it's gonna throw a shadow on his opinion..
Eat fruit = No teeth
Don't eat Fruit = No teeth
exactly 🙁
since no one really knows you might as well just eat nice stuff which makes you happy - but not too much...
SFB - there is also a lot of debate about how high GI maltodextrin is - most sources have it as high GI some as high as pure glucose
The problem is you don't know how long the chains are and how strong the bonds between them as it is not a single chemical but a mix. Get glucose yo have a pure single chemical. get maltodextrin you don't know what you are getting.
most sources have it as high GI some as high as pure glucose
wow, I didn't know that! So it's even more snake oil ??
there is also a lot of debate about how high GI maltodextrin is
debate ? One might have supposed this were open to [b]measurement[/b] 🙂
SFB - its because its a mix of stuff. It can be measured but you need to know what is in your suppliers batch
from that wiki link
Maltodextrins are classified by DE (dextrose equivalent) and have a DE between 3 to 20. (The higher the DE value, the shorter the glucose chains, the higher the sweetness and the higher the solubility.) Above DE 20, the European Union's CN code calls it glucose syrup, at DE 10 or lower the customs CN code nomenclature classifies maltodextrins as dextrins.
[i]exactly
since no one really knows you might as well just eat nice stuff which makes you happy - but not too much...
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Well, teeth or no, some people think they'd like to weigh a little less, and a good bit of sensible advice might just help them.
[i]It's just a shame that iDave had to be so damned offensive cos it's gonna throw a shadow on his opinion..
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Yunki.
Well, I can't say that I've encoutered iDave on here before, but as I read it, he/she is probably a bit tired of answering the same old Qs, and even I'd be a little irritated by [i]contributors[/i] not reading the thread properly. Which is why I've overlooked the points you make and just made note of the info I feel is useful.
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And by the way, I know where you're coming from about the "other-half".
Mine seems to have been blessed with the ability to eat whatever she likes, in the knowledge that she'll never get heavy.
And she does, without gaining weight !.
As a consequence, the fridge has things in it that temp me terribly.
Things I know [i]dont' work for me[/i].
It aint easy out-there.
Hence why I'm hearing/reading the [i]have one day when you eat what you want to[/i]
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S