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of course there are carbs in vegetables! but the problem with folk taking on board your advice on this thread is that you rule out a lot of food that if many people (including me) gave up without having knowledge of food would seriously affect their health
ie, say they only ate lettuce as their veg of choice, pretty much zero carbs, which would be a very bad thing
To all those who say that loosing weight is "just eating less and exercising more" of course you're absolutely right - just in the same way as poor people could easily become rich - all they have to do is earn more and spend less.
ie, say they only ate lettuce as their veg of choice, pretty much zero carbs, which would be a very bad thing
if they're that stupid, they deserve pestilence and disease and i certainly don't care what happens to them
C_G - bin the bread, bin the fruit, have a day off one day a week and see
Holy shite!!!!!!!!!!!!
iDave knows what he is talking about...shut the f*ck up, try it for 2 weeks and watch the lbs drop off.
[i]I'm guessing cider is out whatever though! [/i]
not for me...
Kev
Loosing?? Watch out their our pedants on this hear sight!
Not for me either Kev, Sheppys Dabinett going down nicely at the mo.
I'm sprawled on the sofa dipping crisps and mini pork pies in mayonnaise if that's any help ?
just finished my last Sheppys ! dabinett 7.4% very nice it was mmmmm 😆
Found more pringles,I reckon an hour from now I could have my own gravitational field if I work at it 🙂
iDave's diet suggestion is far from Atkins - the small amount of carbs in these sorts of diets mean they do not induce ketosis. The high protein diets with low carb intake can be very useful for some people in that they can be very good from an appetite control perspective - ie you're never hungry.
I have been a type 2 diabetic for the last 15 or so years, and I saw the dietician at the beginning of that period and she gave the the norm for the time - low fat, lowish protien, moderate complex carbs, no sugar. I lost a bit of weight, my diabetes settled down, but I still had more weight to loose so about 3 years ago I saw another dietician again. Same story. Low fat low protein, mod complex carbs, etc. So despite the evidence that 95% of people put on this type of diet will be heavier than they were when they started it 3 years later, despite the increasing evidence of the role of protein as an appetite suppressant, I was still told the same old same old - which is a diet type I find very difficult to stick to. I was very disappointed.
😆
Time for an STW cider and pork pie club me thinks.
Supermarkets round my way seem to be embroiled in a Cider price war, I can't work out who's winning... certainly aint my liver.
[edit] Cheese eaters are also welcome [edit]
just rode down to the 24hr shop to find it shut, locked up ! I blame the football. still, I found a bottle of white wine in the cupboard, it'll have to do. I'm sure somebody on this thread mentioned white wine earlier so I must be doing something right, I'll eat some cheese & strawberries with it to make sure 🙂
Kev
Sh1t you've just descibed my fridge. I also have armangac and dark choc, neither are banned and I'm hungry.
24hr... closed...WTF!! There is no sense in this world. Maybe, just maybe, there is sense at the bottom of the bottle... go!
iDave - Member
I'm not even going to read the thread but scanning it was bad enough.from the perspective of a normal human being, who is active but not racing at an elite level, the following works.
cut OUT white carb food - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta. as in don't eat them
cut OUT fruit
cut OUT dairy
don't drink calories
drink red wine, coffee and water
eat as much veg as you want
as many eggs also
and lean meat
use legumes/nuts/seeds to replace the white starchone day a week eat whatever the hell you want, as much as you want
That's interesting, and i might try it. One question - what to have for breakfast? I don't have time/want to cook in the morning...
Hmm.. interesting.. iDaves ideas are not shared by all.
In any case I have to pick him up on something. Most fruit is not high GI, although some is. Fruit does contain sugar but in the form of fructose.. from Wiki:
Fructose has a very low glycemic index of 19 ± 2, compared with 100 for glucose and 68 ± 5 for sucrose
So it does not produce the insulin spikes that iDave warns of. However when you process fruit ie juice it, the fructose quickly degrades into glucose and sucrose, which are bad... Wiki also says large amounts of fructose cause problems with your liver and might cause weight gain too.
I'm personally not sure I'd like to cut out dairy since it's very nutritious, and it can also be useful for satisfying cravings. For instance, a nice low-fat toffee yoghurt can substitute for a cake when you're craving desert.. for me at least 🙂
iDave's diet looks good tho.. but if you're doing a lot of riding, then you'll need more carbs I reckon.
Oh and before people accuse me of getting all my info from wiki, I just used it in this case to double check what I'd learned elsewhere.
PS tomatoes are very good for you.
Whose up for the iDave diet then?
Pop your names in the ring and we'll do a STW weight loss clinic, based on iDaves diet suggestion.
My name is in there as I for one feel I eat very little, don't (always) eat crap, exercise lots, am pretty fit but am fat too. I now blame the fruit.
iDave, clearly you've had a belly full of giving diet advice and it must get tiresome up against some of the opinions all the time but I think we'll get a group together here to prove you right. Would you be happy to offer any tips with the group?
[i]I'm personally not sure I'd like to cut out dairy since it's very nutritious, and it can also be useful for satisfying cravings. For instance, a nice low-fat toffee yoghurt can substitute for a cake when you're craving desert.. [/i]
that's a sugar craving you have right there, sugar is highly addictive.
Kev
if such a group diet forms i'll give some additional advice
all in the name of bettering the human race
breakfast for me usually is a 2 egg omlette, with spinach and chorizo or something etc
takes 3 mins to make
Had your cholesterol checked iDave? Thats a lot of eggs a week Again not arguing but interested
is there a direct link between eggs and cholesterol?
or are there maybe other factors involved in having what may be regarded as high cholesterol - not that I have?
and I said 'usually', and 1 day a week I have cereal.
im quite interested in this as im in a position where i need to lose weight!!
if i just cut out all carbs, sugar etc from my diet straight away is my body going to go into shock or somthing??
when people say eat as much veg as you like instead of potatoes and pasta , what do they actually mean??
idave for an 18 stone fatty like me what could you recommend as a daily food plan based on what you said above??
PS tomatoes are very good for you.
PPS. Tomatoes (or Tomato's, as the shops selling them - and they should know - call them) are fruit.
Carrots are full of sugar tho - and they are veg
Hmmm, this food diet sounds interesting... I love all the naughty foods like milky cereal, ice-cream, cheese and chocolate 🙂
I assume people who are a normal weight already won't lose any, but will have sugar cravings markedly reduced?
what are good alternative sources of calcium though? Quick glance says sardines and soya products, neither of which I am particularly fond of..
You're not going to suffer a calcium deficiency just because you're not drinking milk.
If you're that worried, take a multi-vit tab.
I can vouch for iDave's approach having eaten close to the paleo diet for the best part of the year - when I stick to it I feel like I can conquer the world, and when I slip I feel like crap. Problem is, in the real world it is hard to stick to.
TJ and his ilk are welcome to follow conventional wisdom and put their trust in the "experts". But bollocks to being a sheep and following the crowd.
It would be great if iDave could tell us more about his approach - I think a number of us would really appreciate it. Particularly the idea of meal plans for examples of what he eats on a regular basis.
If you want to know more about this way of eating , Google for Crossfit (except you TJ, because it deviates from the norm and will upset you) and then look for the diet links and discussions around it.
When TJ does Google Crossfit and report back he will say it is like a cult and be upset by it - he is right, it is a cult. But are they unhealthy? No. Are they doing things by the book, applying conventional wisdom? No. Could we be learning from them? Damn straight.
Life is more fun when you stop listening to the experts, whether perceived as real or self-appointed.
Go iDave, go!
[i] Is there a direct link between eggs and cholesterol?[/i]
I always thought that was a misconception about eggs and the actual benefits of an egg out way any fear/myth about the bad relationship with eggs and blood cholesterol.
Only about 1/3 of the population have a genetic tendency to get high cholesterol. If you don't have those genes, you won't get it, no matter how much fat (and eggs) you eat. When I was really humongous (as opposed to merely obese...) my cholesterol was 4.3 or something. My relatively skinny sister in law was once nearing 8. Something to thank my parents for, but not something they tell you in the benecol ads.
Oh and bananas aren't fruit, they're berries. Does that make them OK?
iDave, your plan sounds exactly like the Primal Blueprint? Not denying it works very well, just 5 weeks in myself and enjoying it.
Dont agree on the fruits though, yes maybe not bananas, and citrus fruits or grapes, but berries, apples pears etc, with a lower sugar (fructose) component are surely fine, especially for vitamins and other key nutrients.
Edit: unrefined dairy, ie organic cheese, raw milk, etc is ok too i thought?
I'd be very happy to try this out for a few weeks minimum, my worst thing is imagination of ingredients, so a big list of tasty things and meal ideas would be sweet, maybe a 1 week plan i could repeat?
I love eggs, spinich, veg, lentils so well up for giving it a bash,
however im only 12stone6 and 5ft11 so not got loads to lose just a bit off the belly and love handles! be interesting to see how it goes
(i cycle about 30miles a week road bike) and a day out on the jump or dh bike
v interested if you wouldnt mind helping out iDave 🙂
alex
haven't heard of the primal plan or paleo diet. i tend not to read anything which is trying to sell something
i'll put together something tomorrow evening. email me if you'd like to receive it. won't post it here, as that means you haven't actually had to do anything to get it. which is against my beliefs.
From my point of view the problem with any diet is that it's a diet. And diets make you fat. Ask any chubster how many diets they've been on and the answer is dozens. Ask a skinny git and the answer is none.
If I were to diet for a month, then I'd repay the saving with interest in a short while.
I have to establish a pattern of consumption that I'm able to maintain indefinitely, without cravings for things I mustn't have, and try to stick to that.
the nice thing with this way john is that its not restricting portions or calories and one day a week you can eat what you want
works for me, and i've never been on a diet before in my life. i consider this a change in what i eat. full stop. not something i'll come off when i reach target weight.
but will have sugar cravings markedly reduced?
The best way to reduce sugar cravings is to quit sugar - you can wind down or go cold turkey.
It takes a lot of M/WTFU but I doubt it's as hard as Heroin or cigs.
I find myself eating hardly any crap nowadays, because my work has a great canteen so it's 3 real (but not large) meals a day without desert or pop.
Lost 2kgs in about 2 months, but that's mainly due to a disastrous bout of riding I reckon, since I still tend to eat to ride.
ok, the club have had their orders. expect an influx of skinny blokes to STW
I haven't read the whole thread, but the main thing for me was to stop all processed and ready cooked meals.
I changed wholemeal pasta and wholemeal rice for lentils and beans and now prepare all my meals at home.
I eat lots of fruit, I mean alot.
Large breakfast, reasonable lunch and fruit for dinner, and that's enough.
Any bread is made at home.
I cut out... cheese, pasta, red meat, butter, alcohol and maybe other stuff.
I don't think I want for anything and the kilos fell off, and quickly.
I also eat anything else whenever I want, I simply consider the effect it will have before deciding if I really want it!!
I now need to ride a bit more to get down to the 15% body fat I'm looking for.
Coincidentally I have been following a diet for 3 1/2 weeks which is vritually identical to that recommended by iDave, with the addition of eating every 3 hours, drinking a minimum of 2-3 ltrs of water a day and walking 10,000 steps. Strenuous exercise is not recommended for the first 4 weeks.
Starting weight was 16st 9lbs - 3 weeks later 15st 7 lbs.
I feel 100% better, not hungry and more energy. Only problem I have had is not being able to do anything other than pootle along the cyclepaths. I now feel so much better that I'm looking for hills to go up.
[b]THAT is not like me !![/b]
Idave would you mind pinging me a copy of the programme if I mail you please??
iDave could make a fortune out of this 😉
Here is the one I'm sort of following. He does sound like an auditionee for Home and Away, so be warned. [url= http://www.bodytrim.com.au/ ]BODYTRIM[/url]
wookster - have a go and see....
maybe i should be charging per pound lost... but I'm not
I wonder why this works iDave? Purely curious, not after an argument.
Because your body enters ketosis burning fat for fuel instead of carbs???
BoardinBob - Member
Because your body enters ketosis burning fat for fuel instead of carbs???
That doesn't happen. You're consuming carbs from veg, nuts and pulses. Plus there is the 1 day a week where you can eat whatever you like.
Because your body enters ketosis burning fat for fuel instead of carbs???
I'm going with pixies stealing the wobbly bits...