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No need to apologise TJ. You lauged at one of my jokes the other week, that makes you a good guy as far as I'm concerned.
So do you think Hodgson's going to get the Liverpool job? To make my other prediction come right as well.
I'm glad somebody else thinks fruit is evil. Always too much faff. Give me vegetables any time.
I like the idea of not drinking calories. A few years ago I started drinking only water during the day (after my morning espresso, that is) and it has 2 benefits. As well as keeping off the pounds it also has meant that on a hot day I find water thirst-quenching and I can drink sufficient quantities of it. Many people who don't regularly drink plain water find it hard to drink enough when they work hard.
I suppose because some fruit has lots of sugars in it.
Rather have veg though.
the drinking calories and fruit relates to sugars and insulin, which causes peaks and troughs and encourages storage of fat
it's essentially a combination of low GI and atkins and it works, is exceptionally healthy and cheap also
personally i lost 3-4lbs a week without exercise but was never hungry
but keep buying into other bollox if it suits you
Some great stuff in here thanks one and all, and lots to go on but I'm guessing seeing as no-one has provided an answer to my question, personal dietician and nutritionalists must be solely in the domain of elite sportsmen / women which sadly I am not. Never mind, anyone up for a discussion on how it's all really down to genetics... oooh err.
Ta for that.
I don't buy into all you say - a bit extreme for my liking but none of that is too far from mainstream thinking.
Its one of my issues with all the "sports drinks / energy drinks / recovery drinks" is the insulin spiking thing.
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cnud. I'm sure you could get someone to draw you up something. However how much use it would do is a different matter
what is [i]extreme[/i] about what i say TJ?
cnud, why not try what i suggest for three weeks?
No fruit at all? As many eggs as you want?
If you get plenty of veg I don't suppose the lack of fruit really matters and I see the reasoning. Too many eggs ain't great for you from the conventional point of view.
iDave - compared to some dietary advice on here its the model of reason and sense. I didn't say it was wrong - just from my point of view a bit extreme. Restrict fruit not ban it completely and put an upper limit on eggs. Half a dozen a day won't do you much good.
TJ, do you anticipate anyone who is trying to lose weight eating 6 eggs a day?
and remember, one day a week you can eat whatever you want - yes, even 6 eggs and a tree of apples. this prevents a metabolism slow down
Cake? Can I live on cake one day a week? double choc cake with cream?
I now the conventional advice on eggs keeps changing but is it not 2 a week now? Cholesterol and all that
conventional
hardly a route i'd be wishing to follow on any aspect of life....
as i said before, i care so little, do what you want, i've said what i believe to be sound, effective and healthy.
iDave - fair enough and I was really looking for your reasoning which you gave.
rely on people with proper qualifications - dieticians
aren't they all charlatans as well ? One week something will kill you, then next it's the best thing since sliced tofuburgers
with a dietiticain you know they have an accedited qualification and are a member of a professional body.
Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist without any qualification such as McKeith
and are a member of a professional body.
oh you mean like [s]astrologers[/s]* economists ??
* my apologies for dissing the many astrologers of high integrity 🙁
Thanks for being a bit more specific with the food groups iDave, will give it a go as three weeks shouldn't be a problem.
cut OUT white carb food - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta. as in don't eat them
cut OUT fruit
cut OUT dairy
don't drink calories
drink red wine, coffee and water
eat as much veg as you want
as many eggs also
and lean meat
use legumes/nuts/seeds to replace the white starch
bizarre toxic fruit syndrome ? My entire diet is carbs 🙂
good for you simon, well done
iDave - serious question, you say cut out white carb food, so stuff like wholemeal pasta/bread is okay?
And can I have tea/white wine instead of coffee/red wine (both of which give me the trots 🙂 )
cut OUT white carb food - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta. as in don't eat them
cut OUT fruit
cut OUT dairy
Certainly not, that would mean my kitchen would be empty of all food!
The only time I've ever remotely worried about diet is when I was racing properly (ie Expert level and races 2-3 times a week (road and MTB)).
IHN - wholemeal is out also
crazy-legs - like i say, i don't care, do what you want but i know what works and what is healthy and i'm not selling anything
Hmm, couple of things, it's dietitian not dietician. They tend to get stroppy about the American spelling thing- I know, I married one (a Dietitian, not an American). She has also opined that iDaves thoughts are mainly sound, though no doubt, he'll post again in a minute to tell us he doesn't care what anyone thinks. 😉
Listen to iDave...he speaks the truth.
SIMPLES! 8)
IHN.. yes wholemeal is best, this is the point I believe iDave is making... carbs should be as 'complex' slow releasing as possible therefore minimising energy spikes which encourage the craving to snack as the spike drops, and the production of insulin which is produced digesting sugary carbs, which in turn encourages the storage of fat. Cutting out fruit also reduces sugar intake, dairy is also high in lactose(lactase?) another 'simple' sugary carb.
I think that is right, apologies if I've confused anything ! can't comment on tea/white wine.... except use white wine to get the red wine stains out of the carpet... I think the reference coffee is that caffeine can increase metabolism(?) could be BS though, just something I've heard.
Kev
Keva, I'm not making the point that wholemeal is best. When have I suggested that? I just stated wholemeal is out also. This is why this threads boil my piss.
iDave, ok.. apologies for the misunderstanding. Could you recommend which source of carbs are preferable ?
Kev
get your carbs from veg, beans, lentils etc - you don't need the huge quantities that the typical modern diet gives.
thanks.. I hadn't read your reply saying wholemeal is out when I typed mine.
Kev
I just stated wholemeal is out also. This is why this threads boil my piss.
the food of the Devil :o)
I do wonder how the human race ever survived prehistoric times without nutritionalists to stop them eating dangerous yummy stuff!
we certainly survived a few million years without IT nerds
demands of life change, food content changes, but of course you're the expert.
what do you suggest? not that i care remember....
but of course you're the expert.
what do you suggest? not that i care remember....
I suggest eating stuff you like, but not too much of it 🙂 One advantage of IT nerds is they don't try to stop you eating tasty foodstuffs... BTW I make no claims to 'knowledge' in this field
I care about this >< much. That will be all
apparently not 🙂
cut OUT white carb food - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta. as in don't eat them
cut OUT fruit
cut OUT dairy
don't drink calories
drink red wine, coffee and water
eat as much veg as you want
as many eggs also
and lean meat
use legumes/nuts/seeds to replace the white starch
if i followed that i wouldn't be able to do shite. it may be a great diet for all the folk who buy into what you are selling idave, buts its a dangerous thing to be suggesting folk cut out as much as you are suggesting.
Simon,
I doubt very much prehistoric people were concerned with weight loss !
Kev
Steve A... what do you believe iDave is selling ?
I doubt very much prehistoric people were concerned with weight loss !
yes but very interested in running down wilderbeest and stuff requiring athletic ability!
what do you believe iDave is selling ?
misery from the sound of his prescription 🙁
Steve A, what is miserable about it ?
Kev
iDave - two questions for you. First is I eat a lot of tomatoes and lettuce, should I replace this with veg and, if so, what type would be better?
Second, middle-aged spread. Does it exist? Anything I should particularly avoid?
Thank you. 🙂
apologies SteveA... question is for Simon... (!)
steve, what is dangerous? i'm not suggesting restricting calories at all. what is dangerous about a lot of veg, legumes and lean meat?
please tell us...
what is your statement based on apart from your opinion?
C_G, creeping obesity is the term. a few pounds a year from the late thirties and before you know it you're 50 and fat - and just lie on the sofa listening to music 😉
i eat about three bags of spinach a week, but lettuce is fine though. tomatoes less so.
simon, i care about misinformation, but not about what people choose to do personally. tho i don't like fatties
also the Neanderthals didn't have a high carb diet. it was closer to what I'm suggesting, esp the red wine and coffee.
iDave - yep, over 50 but hardly eat so don't understand why I'm the size I am. 🙁 Music? Yep, surely I must burn fat by all my head-banging? 😉
steve, what is dangerous? i'm not suggesting restricting calories at all. what is dangerous about a lot of veg, legumes and lean meat?
you are basically suggesting a carb free diet which isn't healthy, but you know that don't you. its the Atkins diet, and there is enough criticism of that on then net without me adding to it.
I believe a balanced diet of all food groups works best in the long term... as do most sensible dieticians/weight loss experts
Steve, are you saying there are no carbs in lentils, beans, veg? and forgetting one day a week when you can eat what you want?
i ride, I run, I'm training for a 330km marathon in the italian alps, i was an olympic coach, and while i don't coach anymore i might know a few things about the subject.
C_G give my suggestion a try - three weeks, and report back?
what's the worst that could happen.
From my past experience as a runner who regularly carbo-loaded, once I stopped running my body was unable to tolerate carbs. Suffered from the most awful indigestion/bloating type problems so stopped eating potatoes, pasta and rice.
I have two small slices of wholemeal bread for lunch and then mostly no carbs for the rest of the day. Am totally convinced that we do not need them in a great quantity!
Edit: iDave - can give up tomatoes but eat a huge amount of fruit. Am well aware that this could be affecting my blood sugar levels. But am also very aware that HRT has a lot to answer for!
Damn this thread, I love fruit, eat 6+ portions a day. Can I trick my insulin by eating fruit almost constantly? My six pack is almost here, but is being a little shy.
I'm guessing cider is out whatever though!