And he’s gone...
What an idiot.
Not sure the BBC reacted in the right way though. If he meant it to be an attention grabbing appeal to racists, then he'll be on Question Time next week… but I strongly expect he did not.
Seems since the Johnathan Ross/Brand affair the Beeb is very intolerant.
Really didn’t see any racism there.
Sorry, I think it was a simple misjudgement.
This; it took me a while to see the racist implications too (although they're huge once you get it) and I'd have probably missed it altogether if I hadn't seen this thread. For me it's all about the intent and I really don't think that he intended to be racist but the damage (to him and others) has already been done.
It seems a very harsh, if entirely predictable, outcome to me (the Beeb being more concerned with its own corporate image to do the right thing).
Having said that, in this day and age you really do need to think about what you post and he clearly didn't.
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Been fired now.How utterly ridiculous.
Should sue for wrongful dismissal.
He'll be lucky, I'm sure that the BBC will have something in their contract about social media behaviour.
He's either racist or incredibly naïve, as I said before he's been to enough Millwall games to know what it means.
Not just us white middle class keyboard warriors upset- a lot of people on twitter relating it to their own experience of monkey chants etc at them.
Absolutely bloody ridiculous.
What time is Farage on TV tonight?
What a funny world we live in.
a lot of people on twitter..
Any of them members of the royal family?
What a funny world we live in.
Pretty much the opposite, it seems.
I really like his show on a Saturday morning. Listen to it every week. He doesn't strike me as the type of bloke who would be racist or advocate a racist point of view at all.
He's clearly done something daft on social media without thinking through the implications. Who hasn't? So thats now a sacking offence? But of course it is. The professionally offended bedwetters must be pandered too at all costs, and their delicate ickle sensibilities fully respected.
The only good thing to come of this is that we know, thank to his parting Tweet, that he favours red sauce on his sausage sandwiches and has therefore gone down quite significantly in my estimation
Seems since the Johnathan Ross/Brand affair the Beeb is very intolerant.
BBC fired Iain Lee for calling a woman 'homophobic' and' bigotted' on air.
I don't think that Baker is racist. I did however think that as a savvy and intelligent media personality he would have been aware of the usage of apes/monkeys etc as a derogatory image, god knows it's had enough news coverage, and that as a football fan he'd have been aware of the current actions around spectators imitating apes.
My initial thoughts were that he's done this as a bit of a stunt to raise his profile, with a roadmap to back his way out of it.
I could be wrong though- there's a lot of folk on here defending the innocence of his post. Although I don't understand why the need to say it was ill advised if it was innocent?
The only good thing to come of this is that we know, thank to his parting Tweet, that he favours red sauce on his sausage sandwiches and has therefore gone down quite significantly in my estimation
Tommy supporters will really latch on to that.
As another poster said, he's been doing chimpanzees dressed as celebrities for years without any action by the Beeb. I can see how its been interpreted and why he's been fired but think it's a bit sad and must be someone wanting his brand of humour and independent thinking off in favour of a more modern younger presenter. I'm against racism but just think it's not been looked at in the context it's an absurd image which pokes fun at two new parents and shows them as ordinary Joes like the rest of us when it comes to the nuts and bolts of reproducing etc.
He’s clearly done something daft on social media without thinking through the implications. Who hasn’t? So thats now a sacking offence?
I haven't. But if I did I could be sacked yes as where I work has a strong social media policy.
I also would not have posted that image as it is clear to me that it could come across as racist.
Not a lot of support for him on his Twitter feed.
Should sue for wrongful dismissal
Really?
- Do you not think the BBC contract will be explicit about responsibility to be aware of issues relating to under represented groups
- Do you think think he would have been on endless BBC training courses on race and social awareness
-Do think he is oblivious to the ape connection (as discussed above, he goes to Millwall matches)
- Do you not think that, as a prominent, public facing employee of a publicly funded national broadcaster, he has a responsibility to be informed and considered in his actions?
Of course he needed to be sacked
FWIW, doesn't seem racist to me.
I'm not surprised they've sacked him, I think they've wanted rid of home for a while, he's not afraid to criticise or poke fun at the BEEB on his show. Bit there's a lot of hypocrisy in the media, certain outlets will suggest racist undertones around this relationship where probably none exist and will now jump on Danny for this. I don't think he's racist and I'll miss his 5live show, it's one of the highlights of my week.
Been fired now.
How utterly ridiculous.
Indeed.
You cannot really use Farage as a baseline in this argument, simply because he’s not “employed” by the BBC.. Farage is simply a spokesperson for a group of people and not representing the BBC and being paid for services therein.
seems pretty obvious that he broke the BBC rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/social-networking-personal/guidance-full
racist or not he was an idiot for posting it & his reaction of calling people who thought it was racist as having a 'disseased mind' was also stupid
To the people who say this doesn't seem racist, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether you see it as racist or not. It does however matter very much to those who are offended by it. The use of chimps as a tool in racism is long standing and well established. If you cannot see how this can be viewed as racist then I am afraid you are both naive and out of touch.
'ang on... I've not actually seen this "royal baby".. is it a brown one* then?
*c/o Waynetta Slob
royal + baby + preceivable as racist jibe + vulnerable bbc = P45
unfortunate but probably inevitable
It does however matter very much to those who are offended by it. T
for sure and that's probably what's missing from discussion on here - people who've been on the receiving end
I thought it was immediately obvious how this could be taken badly.
I appreciate he probably didn't mean it in that way, however it was a really dumb post to make considering all aspects of it.
Personally it should be a big slap on the wrists, however he must have known the rules he signed up to, so bad luck really. Maybe people should just think more before they post online
It does however matter very much to those who are offended by it.
Has anyone been offended by it? Who?
He's been sacked.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693
He’s been sacked
and that Joe Cocker's not looking too healthy
If you cannot see how this can be viewed as racist then I am afraid you are both naive and out of touch.
Just because something can be construed as having offensive connotations does not mean it has offensive intent. Utterly ridiculous knee-jerk reaction.
There's a different type of "offended" these days - 'I'm not offended really, but I think I'm supposed to be, so I am!'
He’s been sacked.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48212693/blockquote >Yep, and Roger Moore is dead!
Also didn't get the racist angle until I read more of the thread. In fact, I didn't even know she was mixed race until I just Googled her. I didn't know she was an actress either.
I won't miss him as I don't really listen to radio but I did like that show that was based on him that Pater Kaye was in...
Yep, and Roger Moore is dead!
Still?
A high court judge writes:
I didn’t even know she was mixed race... I didn’t know she was an actress either.I won’t miss him as I don’t really listen to radio…
The use of chimps as a tool in racism is long standing and well established.
Equally, the use of chimps or other primates as a stand in for people with no racist overtones is also well established. E.g the Discworld Librarian, or the PG tips adverts (animal welfare concerns aside)
If you cannot see how this can be viewed as racist then I am afraid you are both naive and out of touch.
Agreed...but, If you cannot see how this could have been intended without racist intent then you’re equally naive.
As I said, massively ill judged but in my opinion, most likely without real malice.
There’s a different type of “offended” these days – ‘I’m not offended really, but I think I’m supposed to be, so I am!’
Who gets to decide what constitutes the right sort of offended?
I've just had to Google who Prince Harry's wife is to find out why it's so offensive.
It's ill thought out and he should know better. Not racist though.
Has anyone been offended by it? Who?
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
https://twitter.com/DaneBaptweets/status/1126412580543705089
https://twitter.com/estherarmah/status/1126347345686409216
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
Upper class royal palace dwellers then?
As long as they don't draft Jonathan Ross in to replace him....
I reckon this baby all the fuss is about is ginger haired.
Ginger Dad; family of immigrants from Germany; Greek Great Grandfather. The scope for taking offence is going to be endless.
Another here who didn’t make a race connection. Even after reading the first few posts of ‘how did he think people would react?’ I was still assuming it was just royalist outrage.
Royals = performing animals, that was my take. Not that funny, but that’s it.
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
Assuming my race and making a value judgement about me based on your assumption seems racist to me.
Now you've bought my race into this, how are you defining "White"?
I think the media intrusion on to the kids life and the parents insta lifestyle are more harmful then pointing out that all royal babies are performing monkeys.
Appreciation of "English"/subtle/black humour is a dying trait and we will be worse off for it.
Unfortunately the tabloids aren't dying off.
Way he'd an listened to him for years and like others never senced any hint of racism, just a poorly timed funny image.😭😭bye bye Danny.
