Pfft, I got pumped full of purified old lady p**s. Joyful, didn't work either. Actually, the old lady p**s worked, it was the rest of it went tits up
Blimey, not heard of that one. What's that meant to do?
Pfft, I got pumped full of purified old lady p**s. Joyful, didn't work either. Actually, the old lady p**s worked, it was the rest of it went tits up
WTF?
I drink loads of coffee and have 4 kids.
So that's how they make Pregnyl?! I'll have to tell mrs blobby as she had that too!
They used to get the drugs from nun urine. Now the drugs are manufactured by custom microbes, so the quality and purity is far better.
For the records, my wife and I have tried for five years to have kids. We've just completed our third full (and final) NHS cycle of IVF and are waiting for our seven week scan. However, the journey has seen us miscarry at about 10 weeks (not good), fail to take hold, miscarry, fail to take hold and carry to 20 weeks then stillbirth (very nasty). There is nothing wrong with either of us that generalists or specialists at two separate hospitals can find, the infertility and miscarriages are unexplained.
We hope with every fibre of our being that this time we will be able to carry to term, but the next 30+ weeks are going to be brutally hard on us both.
Everything crossed for you willard.
It's a horrible process, any outcome other than a healthy baby at the end of it is absolutely devastating. Our first round didn't take back in September and I was and still am just heartbroken, I can't compare the feeling of that moment you realise it's over to anything else, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Fortunately we have 3 top grade day 5 blasts and 1 day 6 blast in the freezer so might try again in the new year if we've got a spare £1600 lying around.
Blobby I'm not sure what the old lady pee did but I had it when I was growing my eggs. I responded really well, 17 eggs, 8 fertilised, 4 in the freezer. Although the one they put back in was perfect too and that didn't turn out well.
Willard, everything crossed here too. I can't begin to imagine how awful stillbirth must have been.
emma, that is a top notch haul! Worth giving the frosties a go. Our boy is a frozen one and mrs blobby is currently baking another frozen one, due Feb.
For what it's worth we had three go's with two fails and a miscarriage (positive test but no heartbeat at 6 wks - that was tough). Then went to Care in Nottingham (a nice 4 hour round trip for each visit!) and did the immune tests. Mrs blobby came back positive (so the theory is her immune system was attaching the embryo.) So we got IVF with the immune treatment and we're two for two 🙂
It really is a shitty process to have to go through, more often than not for a negative outcome, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Yup, but the myth of sharply reducing natural fertility is still being peddled...
Fertility declines with age. For some people who are struggling to conceive in their (well, her, to be more accurate) late thirties, they [i]may[/i]
have left it too late. That's why the NHS advises that women over 36 who are struggling to conceive should see their GP sooner rather than later.
I'm going to ask about immunity testing when we go for our review next week, that and someone on another forum mentioned embryo glue, that's not the technical term obviously but I'd never heard of it before. Going to have a medicated FET and put two back if thawing goes ok I think. Having said that I'll probably get there, fall apart and be dragged home a crying mess and refuse to ever do it again. I'm promised FET is a lot less involved though
Mrs. Willard pretty much flatly refused to go through the whole process again after the last time. The hormones pretty much ruined her all the way through the prep and after implantation. Seeing all that work fail and losing our first child at 20 weeks just destroyed her.
She did carry on though and we hope that this time things will be successful. If not, we will go private and see where that takes us and what extra treatments they can offer over the NHS ones.
Emma82, good luck next week and thanks for the words. You too Mr. Blobby!
As meaningless as it from a stranger on the internet (who had a slight dabble with possible infertility but nothing on the scale you guys are going through), the very best of luck over the coming weeks to you all. Hope it all goes well.
I'm going to ask about immunity testing when we go for our review next week
After 3 failed attempts we just wanted to try and do whatever testing we possibly could and try and get some sort of diagnosis other than unexplained infertility. I still think we'd be trying now if we hadn't found this. Was about a grand for the Chicago tests I think.
Thanks Willard and DD. It's funny how you spend all this time and effort working towards a positive test.. but then that's when the worrying really starts!
Good luck all, didn't mean my earlier comments to come across as crass, apologies.
Miscarriages are bloody awful! The Mrs ended up being diagnosed with a blood clotting condition that was causing hers, she had to have an injection everyday to thin out her blood when pregnant.
We did the whole lot, gave up alcohol completely, gave up all but the odd cup of instant coffee, stopped riding the bike, even drove my car with my legs apart with blowers cooling my nads.
Didn't work in the slightest but we *were* fortunate to conceive first time with self-funded ICSI IVF due to our postcode meaning we didn't get NHS help. Painful writing out cheques for £900 for drugs at a local hospital when the person ahead of us got the same drugs for the cost of a prescription.
Still...
Erm, what's the issue? If you're meant to have have kids you will, coffee, alcohol, class whatever drugs...
They will mess up your life, cost you a fortune and contribute to over population - and they'll probably have a worse life than you do, so why inflict it on them? Sorry, but it seems like narcissism to me...
Sure, whatever you want to think. It's nothing to do with self love, it's basic human nature to want to reproduce.
Thanks for your **** contribution though.
Sure, whatever you want to think. It's nothing to do with self love, it's basic human nature to want to reproduce.Thanks for your **** contribution though.
Bollocks - and if you can't be civil, don't bother to contribute either. Get over yourself and have a big think about what I said. You might just learn something, although from your post I doubt if you're mentally capable of that.
Bollocks - and if you can't be civil, don't bother to contribute either. Get over yourself and have a big think about what I said. You might just learn something, although from your post I doubt if you're mentally capable of that.
Thing is, most of what you said is either incorrect or purely your opinion. So there's ****-all to learn. You've been pretty rude in your only two posts on the thread so far, so either sober up or have a nap. You might be in a better mood in the morning.
Think the thread may have gone from coffee & fertility to alcohol & ignorance
Yeah, and where do you get off having a go at me DD? When does someone's opinion get to be invalid - or is that the way conversation is now in this fascist country?
Admittedly one of my posts might have been a little strong, but it isn't everyone's human nature to want to reproduce - thank goodness, or we'd be completely screwed.
And why do you say that, adjustablewench?
**** me, it's early days and you're looking at shit like coffee intake? 😯
Try for 6 months (in my recent experience it can/will take this long), then go for tests.
If it doesn't happen, it won't be because of 2 cups of coffee/day.
+1 for DD, Julian, you're a dick.
Julian - as you clearly haven't been affected by infertility, your punitive remarks about parenthood and living with children aren't really welcome just now. And quite why you think people wanting children is anything to do with Narcisism is beyond me.
I wish you well, nature may find a way. Live your life, do not give up hope.
If your Mrs has decided that coffee is the problem you might as well just give it up now.
With a grin or a wink, consider the earlier response as well 🙂
@johndoe - nothing in my posts should suggest that I've been affected by infertility - I simply don't want children. I also happen to think that a desire to reproduce is often narcissistic. Is it now illegal to hold an opinion?
@wrecker - I hope any offspring of yours don't inherit your wit, charm or eloquence!
They will mess up your life, cost you a fortune and contribute to over population - and they'll probably have a worse life than you do, so why inflict it on them? Sorry, but it seems like narcissism to me...
Possibly - many would take that bet. Over and over and over again.
To paraphrase: Sorry but your view seems like Nihilism to me. Think: Eeyore?
I hope you get granted the choice and find some love for something - anything! - somewhere, somehow.
Julian, I aside the opposite, you appear to be unaffected, therefore not understand the issue.
So, instead of contributing to a thread positively, you spout nonsense based on personal opinion.
And still you haven't explained why wanting children is connected to the unrelated position of being obsessed with yourself.
@bonchance - and that's why we have a free society. So that others can take that bet and I shan't - for whatever reason (and no one has asked about that, and I am not interested in explaining). I can no longer take that choice, for better or for worse, and again, I'm not going to explain.
I happen to think that the next generation is not going to have a great time, so why is it such a great idea to have children? I think it's narcissistic because people seem to want to perpetuate themselves - I have no such ambition: my life has been sufficiently inadequate (until I met MrsJA) that I shouldn't wish it on someone else.
The dreaded double post!
I said alcohol and ignorance because I was wanting to believe your less than tactful remarks on this thread were perhaps a result of drinking a few, and ignorance, because whatever your personal views you seem to have no comprehension of how deeply upsetting this subject is for those affected.
So I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you may have been slightly p!ssed and had little understanding - rather than being just down right malicious to those on here that have spoken quite openly about their experiences.
Well julians taken himself out of the gene pool.
Problem solved I think.
@adjustablewench - has my most recent post shed any light? My posts are (I hope) rarely or never malicious - I mostly have better things to do - but I do have very strongly held views on how things might turn out, and I don't think its going well for the world or for the next generation, so I can't quite see how it's going to turn out well for them.
I'm sorry that people are upset by their ability or otherwise to have children, but I think that if God doesn't intend them to reproduce they should just enjoy the practise and if children happen well so be it.
I do so hope you'll do the same, Tom. Your eloquence and lucidity will be sorely missed. Not to mention your punctuation: I trust you'll not be passing that on to the next generation!
No, I still think your posts are inappropriate on this thread. If you want to start a debate about global population or whether there is a 'god' determining whether an individual couple can reproduce . . .personally I think you should start a different thread
That muppet up there ^^^ Jesus, what a loser.
Well, that's perfectly up to you, adjustablewench. You are quite entitled to your views, although if you were to read some of the 'I drink loads of coffee and we've got kids' posts on the first page of this thread I'd like to think that you might change your mind - they seem rather more insensitive than my posts, but as I said, each to their own.
I don't want to start a thread about global population or what God wants (I did note your lack of capitalisation as I'm not p!ssed as you so delicately put it!) or I should have done so earlier: I'm simply suggesting that there might be another side to the story. If you had experienced my childhood you might, just might, be a little more sympathetic.
Your call. There are many sides to every story.
Oh noes, punctuation fail when posting with a mobile device. The horror, the horror.
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They will mess up your life, cost you a fortune and contribute to over population - and they'll probably have a worse life than you do, so why inflict it on them? Sorry, but it seems like narcissism to me...
The only narcissistic part of having kids is not having enough sleep.. luckily your own kids are truly the most special bundles of joy in the world and you dont understand what having children means until they come along...
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When the OP asks how coffee affects his fertility what is wrong with the answer 'I drink loads of coffee and we've got kids'.
As for not using a capital for 'a god', I believe I am correct when I am not referring to any specific religious figurehead.
As for the bad experience in childhood, its not an exclusive club unfortunately. Lots of us have had bad experiences and it affects how we turn out, for me it has resulted in me wanting children so I can enjoy their childhood and give them all the love and care that was lacking in my own, and it really does make me feel better for it, as it is human nature at it's best to want to love, teach and nuture.
As I put before we tried for 10+ cycles with donor eggs and eventually gave up - very difficult decision, but it was the right one for us.
If it doesn't work, and I really hope it does, then don't discount adoption. The process only took just over a year from start to finish, and he is an adorable 2 year old. If in the long run you want to chat to anyone about it my email is in my profile (not that you will need to !)
I wonder if Julian has sobered up yet ?
Julian - complaining about people insulting you is a bit rich when you come onto a thread populated partly by people describing their harrowing experiences trying to conceive and accuse them of narcissism.
Even what you seem to think is educated discourse can be insulting and hurtful.
On your broader point, I have no knowledge of your personal circumstances, but by the sound of it, you may have developed an unusual attitude to one of the most fundamental biological drives that humans possess, so perhaps you shouldn't be entirely surprised to find yourself at odds to the majority.
O.P. go to your doctors and ask to have your BillyBunk tested.
(see the "I made a terrible error" thread).
The test tells you how much and importantly how mobile it is.
The test score can be improved over a period of three four months.
My little monster is G.M. 🙂 & best of luck to emma & willard.
luckily your own kids are truly the most special bundles of joy in the world
That's what you think.
You know those people who piss you off? There's quite a lot of them out there, could be the lazy colleague at work, that neighbour who parks in the wrong place just to annoy you, that bloke in the pub who tried to pick a fight with you etc etc.
That could be your offspring, they don't all turn out as wonderful human beings you know. Plenty of people's spawn are contributing to broken Britain. There's one born every minute.
Cloudnine and adjustablewrech, here here! 🙂
JulianA, some 10 years ago I may well have said something similar (though without the god stuff.) Thankfully my life has changed a lot since then.
