[Closed] cocain in the family

To the Op your brother has a problem. He has a habbit he can't afford to extent you give him charity money and he ponces off your gran .
I side with TJ, to an extent, there will be no change until he sees this and i aggree with the advise not to give money.

But i would say that any help at all by way of food or gifts just allows the problem to continue and enables his behaviour.

I would suggest no practical financial or food support till he changes just emotional support and guidance . It may seem harsh and in deed is, but if you constantly stave off hunger and disaster for him he will continue not to see the problem.

mrdestructo - who on earth are you getting your nosebag off? 😯

Report them to trading standards! 😀

had a story that mirrors yours with my brother who i too love very much. and it went on for years and years.

we have both (and still do occasionally) enjoyed taking all sorts, but he always had a prob with shitty quality street coke.

you've got to just stick by him really, as above dont give him money, be aware he may lie alot to friends/ family, and be there to help him when he is ready.

its horrible to watch but if it helps to know, my bro is on his feet, 2 yrs into a relationship with a great girl with a house, a good job, a camper and two bikes 😉 3 yrs ago i had to physically throw him out of my house in the middle of the night and then physically expel him from my car in the morning which broke my heart. it took a while even after that but he often thanks me now.

what im trying to say is be there to help him back up but you have to let him hit rock bottom because as almost everyone is saying, you have to want to pull yourself together or those helping you are wasting their time and love.

mrdestructo - who on earth are you getting your nosebag off?

Report them to trading standards!

Innit just! I think you're tooting on 'Roids there, mate!

Again, just my opinion, there aint no such drug that makes anyone violent - or any other behavioral trait, it was in them to start with Au Naturel..

Id rather inject my testes with drain cleaner...

To the OP, I'm definitely not trying to add to your worries but:

yesterday went to pick him up but he was so out of it I had to take him home

Can you elaborate on "he was so out of it" because you're normally able to function quite normally on coke (albeit a bit up yourself/moody etc) so can you be certain he's not taking anything else? If he was drousy this doesn't imply coke use.

Hope it all comes good for everyone involved.

These threads always seem to become a willy waving contest for illegal drug use. I find it very odd indeed 😕

I find it very odd indeed

like I said.. if you've no alternative cultural reference points there's a certain glamour around it.. (in the original sense of the word)

if you've no alternative cultural reference points there's a certain glamour around it

Huh?

I just don't really get the pride that seems to be shown around it. People at school were like that, but I thought folk would have grown out of it.

drug use is just as competitive as any other sport.. fitness freaks don't have a monopoly on egotism..

Indeed.

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If I speak to you, you'll know you've been spoken too

Re the drink bollox argument that people pedal out about it being a harmful drug when they are morally standing up for a A.N.Other substance. That'd be fine if the person sprouting lived life like a Saint and only had one poison however they'll probably do the nose-stuff, pills and booze along with junkfood/living like everyone else.....

I dont stand up for any drug over another, i know that by the very nature they are ALL poisons. But so is oxygen.

I did, and do, research rigorously before taking anything new, from medical and other journals, internet groups and mainly from first hand accounts from folk with no tub to thump who have and do partake.

What i take no notice of media, governmental or other anti pressure group paranoia and propaganda, or anecdotal tales of woe from folk with no experience.
I start small to test for averse or allergic effects, and go from there.
Im still alive and reasonably compos mentis.

I drink with friends to be social, almost never at home, certainly never alone.
I do pharmaceuticals for the same reason,and in the same manner,- and i don't care what anyones opinion is on this subject, some of the pharms do make the music sound better and i doubt that is just psychological- not the main reason i take them, but that effect for me is a bonus

Ever 'done' Vics inhaler when you don't have a cold?

Yup...

My 'source' in London used to test all the 'products' that he distributed. You knew exactly what you were buying, and how pure/cocktailed it was. He knew his PhD in Chemistry would be put to good use one day! He felt he had a responsibility to his 'clients'.

Quite interesting watching him test stuff.

Ever 'done' Vics inhaler when you don't have a cold?

I once snorted olbas oil thinking it was an inhaler, gods that hurt.

as much as deep heat on the nads?

One of my friends got ripped off and was sold what can only be guessed as Ajax - one small line to test and instant nose bleed.......

But the rest of us tried it just to make sure we'd been shafted - serves us right I suppose for buying off a street corner in Estonia

Could be worse, you could be facing Belgian techno club dealers who still have a propensity to cut it with crushed up light bulb. You spend the early hours coughing up traces of blood if you're unlucky.

After finding that out I stayed in the resort I was in, attended their 'disco' where a load of 14 year old pompous twits were posing to euro-beat crap, leading me to end up pissed up and dancing on a table screaming "Hardcore! Hardcore!" at them cursing the shin splints in my left leg.

Ever 'done' Vics inhaler when you don't have a cold?

Some good advice here from people with 1st hand experience. No simple solution for the OP and unless something happens to bring him out of the present 'usage/denial state' (and I have had a couple very heavy user friends who have managed to knock it in the head before rock-bottom) then the advice of JT et al is the only route.

Deep heat on nads? Every competed in a long day/ heats in martial arts? Use a fair bit of deapheat/tiger balm on your legs and evevtually your nuts feel 'hot' 😆

I learnt, but not to extremes. Everyone I know above 40 has arthritis and are falling to pieces due to too much practise. I find tai chi a lot less strain and it gets the kinks out (and yes, I prefer tiger balm to deep heat, but thought the rest of the forum would know the latter)

Addictions are horrible things. It's easier to keep on doing it, than do without. When it has twisted your mind enough that you're no longer thinking normally anymore you can't see a way out. Someone very close to me messed up on charlie and had a mini breakdown, got taken in by a born again christian unit who were so evangelical that we had to pretty much kidnap them back because they refused to let go. I've seen a lot of addicts sucked in by these groups in the past in my circles. They do not prepare their 'catches' as 'useful' members of society, doing their own 'harm' to them.

It's a shame it's currently illegal to lock our loved ones up (with food, water and a bucket) for a couple of weeks till they get free of the initial longings. And all too often, detox works but they get back out on the street, bump into their old friends who get them on the gear again.

One of my friends committed suicide after he decided to get clean off smack and came out of detox only to feel the full peer pressure, get hooked again and decide life wasn't worth living like that anymore, he'd lost so much.

Those I know who've got free have moved away from where they lived, different city, to avoid the people they used to hang around with. They've got retrained, moved away to work, left friends and family behind, their kids, etc. Some are still addicted. Including a group of clubbing friends I had to walk away from, mdma users, we lost a lad to an OD (he simply took far too much one night) and the pressure from the police/media/parents led them into the hands of the local hipster smackheads who saw a new line in finance and persuaded the majority that smack was a lifestyle drug that doesn't kill you, unlike pills.

To be honest, some people just like to get wasted, I know I do, it's great fun. I think most people when they hit their 30's will probably see themselves that long term use isn't going to lead anywhere nice and tbh they'll get bored with the life style eventually.

Personally I was a big hashhead, would get stoned every day every where, decided when I was about 29 that it wasn't as fun as it used to be. I think most people will come to that realisation sooner or later. I still get stoned mind you, but it's once in a blue moon these days.

Plus tbh, coke is terrible these days, he's probably spending £150 to get the same buzz a £40 quid gram would have given him 10/15 years ago..the financial hindrance is worse that the actual drug these days...The quality of drugs these days compared to the 90s/early 00s really is ridiculous, baffles me that people spend so much on coke.

You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped, let him get on with it. Some people need to really be in the shit to realise what they are doing wrong.

£225 a week and he's on benefits? Or was that combined with the cash in hand for the work he did for you? Just sayin...

In total I've probably known less than 20 people who were ever seriously into their drugs. All were trying to deal with serious personal issues/insecurities. Never seemed to sort them funnily enough... always seemed a daft solution to the problem to me...

Best reason I can think of to stay off the Class A's is the total lack of regulation as per some of the stories above. ie: you have no idea what you're taking most of the time because there's no transparency in the supply chain. All you do know is that it got to you via chain of criminals and gangsters. Go figure...

Not that beer and cigarettes are somehow ok because they're legal but at least you know who's made it...

Ever 'done' Vics inhaler when you don't have a cold?

I have been addicted to nasal decongestants since 1991. No really, every single day since then I have always had at least one on me, in the car, upstairs, downstairs. Right now as I type this I have a sudafed and an otrivine decongestant next to the bed. Must have spent thousands and consumed gallons of the stuff. Two operations on my nose have made no difference. I'm resigned to the fact that I'll remain addicted to them til tge end of my days. The kids would have to go without food rather than me be without a spray on me (don't worry, this isn't a situation that is likely to present itself).

You've been warned kids...

I think I see the problem; you're bloody menthol.

😆

Took proper Ecstacy back in the day, experienced mental acid trips, tripped out on Purple Haze weed, chilled out on nice Morrocan, had sex for 16hrs on speed so pure that you need a match head sized dose dissolved in a drink to buzz for hours and lose any sense of inhibition you may have ever had, took good coke, took crap coke, tried legal highs (some that were really quite bloody good - and didn't make you feel crap the next day), smoke too much tobacco, drink too much alcohol. Talked absolute bollox for hours, had connections with people without even speaking, felt like shit at times, been a **** at times.

40 years old now and fitter than I've ever been. It may catch up with me, but along the way I've felt, heard & seen sensations that straight folk don't even experience in their dreams - regrets? Yeah, some, but overall I wouldn't go back and change it.

To the OP, I know how coke can affect people (seen mates become complete nobbers at times) despite my regaling of drug culture above, as has been said - he needs to have some sense of realisation of the situation before you can do owt.

To the OP, I'm definitely not trying to add to your worries but:

yesterday went to pick him up but he was so out of it I had to take him home

Can you elaborate on "he was so out of it" because you're normally able to function quite normally on coke (albeit a bit up yourself/moody etc) so can you be certain he's not taking anything else? If he was drousy this doesn't imply coke use.

Hope it all comes good for everyone involved

He was out of it on alchol, he also so drinks to the point of being almost unconsioues,

as for the person asking about the £225 on benifits, he gets about £170 a fortnight for one benefit not sure what it was and £150 a month for disabilaty as he has cerebal palsy, i was also so giving him about £110 a week charity money if you like, I dont need him to help me but he like to come with me on my round so i give him a small job so to speak, which has now stopped

He was out of it on alchol, he also so drinks to the point of being almost unconsioues,