[Closed] Cliff!

But his spokesman has always said the claims are completely false? 😀

who knows what lurks in the Shadows.

That's really bad.
I've got no time for him, but, he really shouldnt be accused of these things unless he has been charged.
Imagine if it was you - taken in for questioning, then the Police say publicly that they are submitting the file for possible prosecution - then, what happens if the CPS come back and say there are no charges to answer - sh*t sticks and you get the abuse from all quarters, when you may not have done anythung wrong.

[i][b]The strange prescience of the Young Ones.......Comic Relief 1986[/b][/i]

Neil: Don't do the song, right, I've got some really heavy news about Cliff that's gonna completely blow your mi... what's that smell?

Rick & Vyvyan: Neil, go away![Audience awws.]

Neil: Don't patronise me, you bastards! Oh, yeah, let's all sit in rows and ruin Neil's evening!

Rick: What's the message, Neil?

Neil: Oh, yeah, the message about Cliff, right, er... Cliff's blown out the gig.

Rick: What? You mean he's... farted?

Neil: No, no, Cliff can't come.

Rick: Why?

Neil: He's doing time.

Rick: They put him in prison for farting?! Right on!

That's really bad.
I've got no time for him, but, he really shouldnt be accused of these things unless he has been charged.
Imagine if it was you - taken in for questioning, then the Police say publicly that they are submitting the file for possible prosecution - then, what happens if the CPS come back and say there are no charges to answer - sh*t sticks and you get the abuse from all quarters, when you may not have done anythung wrong.

The police have said nothing beyond [i]"Investigation files relating to allegations of non-recent sexual abuse involving a 75-year-old man have been handed over to the CPS."[/i].

If he's been named it's because someone in his staff has issued a press release saying it's him.

If he's been named it's because someone in his staff has issued a press release saying it's him.

What would be the motivation to do that? It only shows him in a bad light.
I'd guess that it was someone in the Police who had leaked it, though they reckon they are cracking down on that.
And no, I'm not defending him, but, it should not be public unless he has been charged.

who knows what lurks in the Shadows.

That's really bad.

I expected to read he had joined the 2016 celebrity deathlist! 😯

"it should not be public unless he has been charged."

This.

I'm sure all the evidence collected is an accurate representation of the situation which occurred.

South Yorkshire Police force did the investigation work, who better.

South Yorkshire Police force did the investigation work, who better.

😯

Sounds like you're stuffed Cliff old bean.

'Once in every lifetime comes a love like this!' 😉
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"it should not be public unless he has been charged."

Fancy the South Yorkshire Police not following the very letter of the law?! i'm gobsmacked!

What would be the motivation to do that? It only shows him in a bad light.

I guess because from the usual police statements that always get given out "a 75 year old man was arrested in Yorkshire at 3am for indecent exposure to a badger" that everyone would 'know' it was Cliff in the same way whenever there's an injunction it's pretty clear who it was and who/what they did. So he's still trying to put his version in the press (which means admitting that it's his case being passed to the CPS).

[EDITED...maybe not.]

sh*t sticks and you get the abuse from all quarters, when you may not have done anythung wrong.

True but part of the rational is to get other victims to come forward
As I understand it the more folk saying the same thing happened, in a similar way, the more certain the accusation/evidence.

Its one of those as both approaches have weaknesses

"As I understand it the more folk saying the same thing happened, in a similar way, the more certain the accusation/evidence."

Hmmmmmm.

Seeing as how the paedos tend to be very old and suddenly die before they are prosecuted, does this mean that Cliff might have a "heart attack" later this year?

If he is one, then the circles he's mixed in would give him lots of dirt to swap for an easier time. Cue mortality. 🙂

My wife's aunt had some success in a Christian folk band in the 70s
They worked with Cliff at the BBC, a lad from the youth choir claimed to have slept with Cliff, but it was dismissed by everyone at the time as fantasy....

Nice wee anecdote kimbers, and just goes to show the veracity of junkyards assertion.

Although I'm unsure of the relevance unless the chorister was underage which you've neglected to mention.
Otherwise all I'm getting from your story is a slight whiff of homophobia. 😕

Its one of those as both approaches have weaknesses

Another one of those rare moments when I have to agree with JY.

True but part of the rational is to get other victims to come forward

The fantasists and gold diggers too.

Una Stubbs! oh great we can all play charades.

Sorry my completely unsubstantiated tale was about an ttenage boy.(t tho the law has obviously changed sincewud slll b ileegal)

It's something the aunt in question only brought up after they raided his home last time.

I'm interested to see how this pans out, having heard rumours years ago. However I'm not very comfortable with some of the recent convictions for offences committed 30+ years ago where the evidence boils down to the testimony of one person as has happened recently.

Oh Cliff
Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if
You really are a cliff
When fascists keep trying to push you over it
Are they the lemmings?
Or are you cliff?
Or are you, Cliff?

He was always a bit suspect as he never had any partners, everyone has a sex drive, it's a primal urge. imo he's repressed homosexual who can't live with the guilt of being born 'wrong,'* hence all the vehement christianity. 'I can't possibly be gay because I'm a good christian,'

*I don't think it's wrong.

everyone has a sex drive,

You've obviously never met my wife 😥

Or he did something very bad a long time ago and it's put him off the whole business. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm not very comfortable with some of the recent convictions for offences committed 30+ years ago where the evidence boils down to the testimony of one person as has happened recently.

I'm quite happy that it's possible for these victims to get justice after such a long time, and having had their lives ruined in many cases.

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Lol at zanelad!

THanks for that insight Mr Freud.

No PRoblem

"You've obviously never met my wife"

She goes like the clappers with me.

"I'm not very comfortable with some of the recent convictions for offences committed 30+ years ago where the evidence boils down to the testimony of one person as has happened recently."

This.

WHich case was just the testimony of one person?

The freud comment was aimed at jekkyl posts which was the one I replied to - though other posted whilst I was trying. I might have been distracted by cake

"WHich case was just the testimony of one person?"

One of the charges against Harris was one person's memory with no other evidence and one of the charges against Stuart Hall was one girl's word. I'm pretty sure he had no memory of it at all, he must have pleaded guilty to it on the basis that it was the sort of thing he used to do.

It's not the standard of justice we should expect in the UK.

That's a tricky one, as in both instances, there is several other victims with multiple similar allegations; no doubt all have been extensively cross examined to ensure credibility.

Cliff Richard's links to Lord Boothby and the Krays are relevant here, along with his friendship with Jill Dando... whether those elements have been sufficiently investigated remains to be seen.

I'll still listen to his wonderful records even if he is a nonce.

I made the original comment re one persons testimony - I've seen a case online recently - i'll try and remember where i saw it.

Meanwhile:
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ipswich_man_77_in_court_over_historic_sex_assault_on_young_girl_in_the_1960s_1_4315128 - i can't find the result for this - but if found not guilty his life has been ruined.

I am not condoning sexual assault in any way , I'm just very uncomfortable about cases that rely solely on individual testimony about events in the distant past. Memories can get distorted, exaggerated etc. The principle of beyond reasonable doubt seems strained in those circumstances.

you are going to have to be considerably less vague than that- which person, what offence, what conviction what trial etc.

Stuart Hall was one girl's word. I'm pretty sure he had no memory of it at all, he must have pleaded guilty to it on the basis that it was the sort of thing he used to do

I'm just very uncomfortable about cases that rely solely on individual testimony about events in the distant past. Memories can get distorted, exaggerated etc.

Its also unrealistic to think there will be any physical evidence after 30 years.By this argument Saville is innocent as there is no physical proof just witness testimony.

One of those that is why we have court and juries to decide if the tales are true or false.

Rollerskating with women in different coloured leotards? Definately a sexual deviant.

JHJ - Cliff and Jill Dando's death, care to elaborate?

That's what google is for...

In the meantime, though not every element can be verified, there are many truths in this: