I don't want to believe it, but I accept there are many dark things in this world
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I'm with blackhound on this Jimmy Tarbucks career is the real issue here.
Oh dear, my bad, are you the spider and I'm the fly?
I don't want to believe it, but I accept there are many dark things in this world... look at Ian Watkins
Review this piece, then make up your own mind:
Bloody hell, your really not very good at comprehension are you.
Read what I quoted.
... and then read the question I asked.
(You may not have realised this, but Your opinion about Elm Guest House, or what "evidence" you think you have uncovered are things I really couldn't give a toss about)
You may not have realised this, but Your opinion about Elm Guest House, or what "evidence" you think you have uncovered are things I really couldn't give a toss about
Am I to take it that you have no qualms about MPs and other high ranking VIPs taking children from care homes to be sexually abused and perhaps even tortured and killed?
Am I to take it that you have no qualms about MPs and other high ranking VIPs taking children from care homes to be sexually abused and perhaps even tortured and killed?
Why would you assume that from what I said.
You quoted what I said right above your post.
Read it again and see if you can figure out what it means.
Whilst jivehoneyjive is clearly a bit of a loon, let's not forget this:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/11/missing-child-abuse-files-home-office-chief-mps
A loon, in the 80s:
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I don't believe in ghosts, God or UFO's.
I think man landed on the moon and I think Oswald shot Kennedy.
I can't think of any other conspiracy theories I believe in either.
Apart from this one.
Too many missing documents, too many lapses of memory, too many unconnected people with similar stories regarding the same people.
I can't think of any other conspiracy theories I believe in either.
Apart from this one.
Apart from jivjivejiveys lack of comprehension skills and him making incorrect assumptions
Nobody else has said they don't believe it either.
Well in that case, why don't we forget our differences and kick some high level butt 8)
As a peace offering, here is a further piece of evidence to corroborate the previous article regarding seizure of the tape:
[url= https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/49075/supplement/10308 ]See Paragraph regarding Customs & Excise[/url]
Well in that case, why don't we forget our differences and kick some high level butt
Don't forget to call Shaggy and Wilma first.
I'll start the Mystery Machine.
Baggsie being Daphne.
Too many missing documents, too many lapses of memory, too many unconnected people with similar stories regarding the same people.
This^.
There is definitely something going on. Those "Pie and Mash" interviews that were linked earlier seemed credible.
As a peace offering, here is a further piece of evidence to corroborate the previous article regarding seizure of the tape:See Paragraph regarding Customs & Excise
Well, I've read the original article and the corroborating evidence.
All it prooves is that back in 1982 Customs and Excise conviscated some dodgy films from a guy with a Dutch sounding name.
I don't think you're going to get a high profile conviction based on that.
I don't think you're going to get a high profile conviction based on that.
Given that Mi5 are also keen to hamper progress, I daresay you're right at this stage; however, through awareness and exchange of information, pressure will build and a fuller picture will form.
There also seems to be a trend towards a narrative portraying these men as lone abusers, however:
Lets not forget Savile was also linked to Elm Guest House, along with Bryn Estyn, Haut de la Garenne and countless other institutions, all apparently with their own links to paedophile rings, both national and international...
No one is denying that there are some connections that may have existed and should be investigated.
But too many threads are disappearing up their own backsides with constant repetition of the conspiracy theories and resultant baiting of the theorists. Can't we just put all that on hold until something tangible comes along on that front?
My money's on "no"...
But too many threads are disappearing up their own backsides with constant repetition of the conspiracy theories
On this, and every other Internet forum.
It's almost like "conspiracy theory propagation" is a way of making money out of gullible people.
Start a website, full it full of conspiracies, gullible folk flock to it and increase the readership, advertising prices go up, and people can sell conspiracy books and stuff to a captive market.
Seems like a good idea.
(Damn, beaten to it. By almost everybody)
O.K. I'll do it.
[b]Of course, Cliff Richard already has a criminal record.
It's called "Mistletoe and Wine".[/b]
Try the fish, I'm here all week.
No one is denying that there are some connections that may have existed and should be investigated.But too many threads are disappearing up their own backsides with constant repetition of the conspiracy theories and resultant baiting of the theorists. Can't we just put all that on hold until something tangible comes along on that front?
Given multiple investigations being interfered with by the intelligence services, not to mention whitewashing at the highest levels of government; given the minimal police resources currently attributed to what is evidently a very disturbing network of criminal pervertion, it's probably more in the public interest to propagate this information far and wide to avoid further cover up...
let's not forget this:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/11/missing-child-abuse-files-home-office-chief-mps
Now, about that whole truth thing...
Yet again jivehoney and the point have completely failed to intersect.
We know! You keep bloody telling us. Can you not tell us again until something new has come to light. Please!?!?
Though I am beginning to come up with a theory as to why so many conspiracy theorists appear to suffer sudden and unexplainable "accidental" deaths..... 8)
Well, you have to give me kudos for effort... 😉
Instead of being bent over by the authorities and passively accepting the situation, at least I have the gumption to actively investigate and fight back... now, in the name of progress, contribute some of your knowledge; by discussing this in the open, awareness is being raised...
unless of course you don't want that...
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jivehoneyjive - Member
...Given multiple investigations being interfered with by the intelligence services, not to mention whitewashing at the highest levels of government; given the minimal police resources currently attributed to what is evidently a very disturbing network of criminal pervertion, it's probably more in the public interest to propagate this information far and wide to avoid further cover up...
This sounds like bonkers tinfoil hat stuff, but...
A few years ago when I lived in Queensland there was a lonely voice making the same accusations. She was tarred with every brush around, but kept it up. I thought she was just bonkers.
Eventually there turned out to be just what she had claimed - a high level network of paedophiles protecting each other. Police, judges, media personalities and politicians. The real killer was that one of the politicians was the leader of the opposition, and was likely to be the next Premier.
So keep your minds open. Powerful people can get off with murder if they stick together.
(Google Franca Arena - you can still see some of the attacks on her)
Instead of being bent over by the authorities and passively accepting the situation, at least I have the gumption to [s]actively investigate and fight back[/s] keep repeating myself ad neauseum until everybody is sick of bloody reading it
😉 🙄 
Thanks for that Epicyclo... 50 years ago the internet would have been bonkers tinfoil hat stuff;
Truth is often stranger than fiction; would we be riding bikes of the calibre we are today if it wasn't for the Eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815?
The resulting ash cloud affected the weather to such an extent that crops died and as a result many horses perished, necessitating the development of alternative transport.
Wild, wacky, tin foil stuff, but true nonetheless...
You'll have to excuse me Mr Woppit, but given no-one else mentions these cases, I have to assume a prevailing air of ignorance and thus go on a crusading mission to educate the heathen masses... 😉
which reminds me:
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Truth is often stranger than fiction; would we be riding bikes of the calibre we are today if it wasn't for the Eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815?
fascinating insight into how you and facts dont intersect
Much of what you say is not even tenuous
That is laughable.
We did not get bikes then. let alone npw, because horses died. The first bike [ usually accredited as in 1816/17 was not designed to replace a horse [ nor are any today]
Are you permanently stoned dude ?
Truth is often stranger than fiction; would we be riding bikes of the calibre we are today if it wasn't for the Eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815?
There you go with your Daily Mail headlines again. Here's a tip: facts don't have question marks at the end of them.
The answer to your question is, "almost certainly." An event 200 years ago [i]may[/i] well have prompted folks to come up for alternatives to horses, but if Drais hadn't invented the Draisine at that moment, there's nothing to say that he wouldn't have invented it later or that someone else entirely would have. It seems highly unlikely to me (and I expect to anyone else who stops to think about it for more than a second) that but for one particular man attaching a couple of wheels to a plank, bicycles would never have existed.
The resulting ash cloud affected the weather to such an extent that crops died and as a result many horses perished, necessitating the development of alternative transport.Wild, wacky, tin foil stuff, but true nonetheless...
It might be true. It might be a convenient coincidence. I don't think it's known for certain either way.
at least I have the gumption to actively investigate and fight back...
I hate to break it to you old bean, but you don't have anything of the sort. You instead have the remarkable gumption to believe without question any old shit you read on the Internet.
"Investigating things" involves a degree of critical thinking which, as demonstrated repeatedly on this very thread, eludes you. You may well be correct in some of your theories, but if you are it'll be down to the law of averages and blind luck rather than your l33t investigating skills.
[b]epicyclo[/b] I took up your invite, googled that, found that the main 2 protagonists were actually completely cleared, but one killed himself after being outed and the other was killed. So what exactly is your point? Seems to me to show that irresponsible reporting or use of parliamentary privilege isn't always such a good thing.
I believe there have been medium level cover-ups of things in Ireland, Jersey and elsewhere, not sure this goes all the way to the top.
I believe there have been medium level cover-ups of things in Ireland, Jersey and elsewhere, not sure this goes all the way to the top.
Does the home office constitute medium level?
"Investigating things" involves a degree of critical thinking which, as demonstrated repeatedly on this very thread, eludes you. You may well be correct in some of your theories, but if you are it'll be down to the law of averages and blind luck rather than your l33t investigating skills.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Cougar, it's nice to know the time I dedicate to pursuing justice for under-privileged victims of abuse is appreciated.
Your valuable contributions to exposing crime by the elite are a true credit to humanity. 😉
I hate to break it to you old bean, but you don't have anything of the sort. You instead have the remarkable gumption to believe without question any old shit you read on the Internet.
Would you be so kind as to tell me where you get your information?
Jivethingy. Show me evidence rather than innuendo of ministers acting together to cover something up, or proof of suppression of legal or police action after intervention a minister.
I deal with survivors of abuse a fair amount. Have to go to court to help get one offender convicted in a few weeks time. All this concentration on conspiracy theories clouds the fact that must abused people know and are related to their abuser.
Rolf? Not surprised.
Cliff ? Who knows. But there is this awkward presumption of innocence thing
I do think that obsessive conspiracy theorists should take occasional breaks to look long and hard to understand the motivation for their quests.
I'd quite like to know at what point I've strayed into conspiracy theory territory with this particular thread... everything I've presented has been backed up by evidence.
I appreciate in the majority of cases the victim knows their abuser, but nonetheless, trafficking rings have existed for quite some time and continue to this day; that this has been linked to care homes which are supposed to protect the vulnerable is frankly shocking...
Time and again evidence has pointed to collusion within the authorities to cover their tracks, as they often have members of their own ranks involved.
Margaret Hodge's response regarding the Islington Child Abuse Linked with Jersey is clear example of inappropriate action:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/new-social-worker-condemns-hodge-6959684.html
Needless to say, Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile were both protected at high levels:
http://www.channel4.com/news/cyril-smith-child-abuse-mi5-rochdale-elm
so much so, that it appears the current government may have aided an attempt to cover up Savile's exploits on Jersey:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html
Of course, as grum's link suggests, the missing home office files and Leon Brittan's stumbling and meandering story regarding the dossier are a strong indicator of collusion.
I have contributed all my knowledge on the subject - not very much.
You contributed all your knowledge a long time ago as well. Repeating the same thing over again and again doesn't make it any more proven.
When you first posted up some of the links I was interested enough to follow them up. Now you are just coming across as annoying and actively putting people off finding out about the things you seem to care about.
It's a wise man who approaches the world with an open mind. It's a wiser man who knows when to give it a rest for a few weeks at least!
I believe Jivehoneyjive is a serving Mi5 officer.
His unit's task is to make sure that we associate stories of government child abuse rings with internet conspiracy theorists.
So when any [b]real evidence [/b] does seep out, we all think “Not that old tosh again".
Remember - just because some "loony" wrote it on the internet, it doesn't mean its not true.
(and if you don't hear from me again, you'll know this is too close to the truth)
You contributed all your knowledge a long time ago as well. Repeating the same thing over again and again doesn't make it any more proven.
That's not strictly true... you are under no obligation to study all the links provided, but there's plenty of fresh links today which I've not previously disclosed.
Nonetheless:
It's a wise man who approaches the world with an open mind. It's a wiser man who knows when to give it a rest for a few weeks at least!
That's probably good advice and I'll try to give you time to digest what I'm attempting to expose, for the greater good.
*Unless some cantankerous bugger riles me up 😆
I believe Jivehoneyjive is a serving Mi5 officer
Close... truth is I came from the future to save you all from being bummed by lizards 😉
Stoatsbrother - Member
epicyclo I took up your invite, googled that, found that the main 2 protagonists were actually completely cleared, but one killed himself after being outed and the other was killed. So what exactly is your point?...
I googled again and got different results. However my point is this was actually happening at top level in the state I was living in.
For example, the leader of the Queensland Labor party, Keith Wright was jailed for 14 years for rapes, and serious sexual offences against juveniles. There was also Keith Darcy - jailed for 13 years for similar. Another that comes to mind in Oz is Theoipholous.
What I recollect from the time is that investigations were stalled at top level by people who subsequently were convicted.
If somebody is accused of an offence then of course the police are duty bound to investigate. This may involve interviewing people and searching premises or computers. What I don't get is the fact that all the world's media are tipped off in advance so that somebody's reputation is then trashed guilty or not. If somebody is subsequently charged that is different as the CPS feels there is sufficient evidence for a likely conviction. The argument that this somehow flushes out further witnesses is not justified in my book.
I have no insight btw with regard to Cliff or any other celeb accused, convicted or politicians for that matter - I just think the police should not tip off the media. Oh and the Beeb should not have this as their lead item on the 10 o'clock news FFS!
So I've been out of this thread for a bit and bullshitting conspiracy theories in the pub and clubs as you do, but the more you delve, the more this is beginning to look like something actually real, that Leon Brittan cover up thing in the papers a few weeks back.
Then [url= http://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-elm-guest-house-vip-paedophile-party-list/ ]The Elm guest house list[/url] keeps cropping up.
Where there's smoke...
If that's true and someone called cig papers can crack the case, our boys in blue will have no problem.
But there are some real fruitcakes on the net and I don't know if cig papers is one of them or not so will leave to the police.
Although the fact they needed 5 cars to convey 8 police officers and there just happened to be a press helicopter in he area despite them saying no one tip off the press makes me wonder if there next move is getting cliff in and wacking him on the bonce with a yellow pages to see if it jogs his memory.
and most of us are members here...But there are some real fruitcakes on the net
I'm sorry but that link on the cigpapers website is at best anti-semetic rubbish, what relevance has their religion, is one question.
I do so hope as well that someone riles up Jive-BullshitBunny or whatever they call themselves so we don't have anymore posts of their drivel.
Benji old chap, you misunderstood... like a Genie in a lamp, if you rile me up, I appear and irritate your well packaged mind 😆
Think outside the box dude... push the envelope, shred the [s]documents[/s] gnar
As this seems to be the thread for conspiracy theorists then i'm surprised no one has mentioned the Prince Philip link to the paedophile ring, apparently in the late 60's/70's he used to drive around London in a black cab to the suspected paedophile ring safe houses and partake of the flesh so to speak, this is one of the reasons given for the immunity of the royal family from any public prosecution.
Dunno if it's true or not but a good rumour is hard to keep to oneself 😉
Blimey, thanks for that somafunk; I'll have to stay up all night in order to get enough facts to educate everyone in the minutest detail with indisputable proof come sunrise 😀
Does make you wonder:
Especially since GCHQ reckon if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear...
Blimey, thanks for that somafunk; I'll have to stay up all night in order to get enough facts to educate everyone in the minutest detail with indisputable proof come sunrise
I'm sure google/bing/search engine of paranoid nutter choice is delighted.
