[Closed] Clarkson 'n-word' furore!

Racism isn't a real issue?

Is "nurrrnum" a racist word now?

Sorry to move away from Jezza for a minute but

And I'm still desperate to find out who CountZero actually finds funny.

it's sunny out for those of you that ride bikes.

does anyone actually think that Clarkson is a racist?

IME people who make lots of racist "jokes" and play on lazy stereotypes tend to be sympathetic to the view they are constantly expressing.

I am not sure why anyone would think otherwise tbh.
If you dont believe it why are you constantly saying/doing it?

it's sunny out for those of you that ride bikes.

I feel sorry for those that don't having to put up with the rain.

Is "nurrrnum" a racist word now?

Not sure that we should be taking advice on what constitutes racism from the guy who said he would carry on using the word 'chinky'.

I was more surprised to read the Beeb's defence of the "slope" comment

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/27236363

"It has subsequently been brought to our attention, that the word slope is considered by some to be offensive, for example in Australia and the USA.
"If we had known that at the time we would not have broadcast the word in this context and regret any offence caused

Really? It never occurred to anyone on the production team that a nickname for a race of people might be offensive?

Clarkson is a light entertainment TV personality. There's nothing else to him (as far as the public is concerned) apart from whether he is likeable or not.

This is very true, but this should be seen in the context that TV, and TV shows with high ratings, have quite an influence on British culture. So if causal bigotry is deemed acceptable on TV then it is likely to be deemed more acceptable in wider society.

For a thread about a word causing offence, there's an awful lot of words replaced with asterisks, aren't there?

Not sure that we should be taking advice on what constitutes racism from the guy who said he would carry on using the word 'chinky'.

That took a lot longer than I thought. So is nurrrrnum racist or not?

So he DID use the word, then. Otherwise, what's he apologising for?

Oh well. F him, then. (shrug)

I'm conflicted. What if I listen to rap and comedians that use the N word? How am I supposed to feel?

have people actually heard the video? he definately does not say nurrnnn

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-watch-jeremy-clarkson-use-3481201

Dont hear anyone moaning they put all the eye candy directly behind them in any studio shots, so blatant sexism is fine... pot kettle? Best not say black...

He's an arse.

But we knew that from his attitude to cyclists and... well almost everyone
Better to have him repentant and calmer on TV than a martyr off it.
But should do 4 weeks on a tandem with people from the nations and races he's insulted as penance

Dont hear anyone moaning they put all the eye candy directly behind them in any studio shots, so blatant sexism is fine... pot kettle?

Oh that's been covered here too in the past.

have people actually heard the video? he definately does not say nurrnnn

Yes. He doesn't say the N word either.

I am surprised the bit in the BBC snooker yesterday about the nationalities of snooker players (the potless section) didn't offend some. The old-fashioned assumption that an person with an Indian name and, presumably, dark skin could not be a Brit was worse IMO. Parrot and Doherty sounded as if they were definitely still in the age of pot black in B&W (sorry).

I am sure the whole TG thing is designed to push buttons to the limit. That is part of the appeal/disgust (you chose). It's a bit like UKIP, I am sure that most so-called supporters don't agree with a lot that is said, but gloss over that in favour of the anti-PC/anti-politician sentiment that caries both along.

That took a lot longer than I thought. So is nurrrrnum racist or not?

He don't say 'nurrrrrrnum' though did he. He said **** - but just mumbled it slightly. It's pretty clear when you watch the clip.

Even he's not denying it so I'm not sure why you are.

Dont hear anyone moaning they put all the eye candy directly behind them in any studio shots, so blatant sexism is fine... pot kettle? Best not say black...

Whataboutery at its finest.

He said **** - but just mumbled it slightly. It's pretty clear when you watch the clip.

Not to me it wasn't.

He said **** - but just mumbled it slightly. It's pretty clear when you watch the clip.

Did he not say it sounded it still may have sounded like the N word, hold on how come you can use it? RACIST!

But should do 4 weeks on a tandem with people from the nations and races he's insulted as penance

You're going to need a bigger bike...

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I'm conflicted. What if I listen to rap and comedians that use the N word? How am I supposed to feel?

Well you have to consider things such as context and intention, and then apply a big dollop of commonsense. All of which tends to be beyond the grasp of both racists and the PC herberts. And since you've had to ask presumably yours too 🙂

it's sunny out for those of you that ride bikes.

C'mon drac, by all means have a bit of fun, but the clips are pretty obvious.

Did he not say it sounded it still may have sounded like the N word, hold on how come you can use it? RACIST!

Oh maybe. And you're convinced by that? Really?

And can you really not see the difference between reciting a racist nursery rhyme because you think it's entertaining, and factually describing an incident? Really?

C'mon drac, by all means have a bit of fun, but the clips are pretty obvious.

Honestly I'm not hearing it. Ok let's say he did say it in an old Nursery Rhyme in an edit, there must be tonnes of footage not used for various reasons. Anyway say he did use it in Nursery Rhyme of old how come that's wrong but it's not for grum and other's to use it on this and other threads? Surely they're referring to the N word in offensive sense where he was repeat a childhood nursery rhyme for selecting who's it.

Ah he replied whilst I was typing.

A nursery rhyme of old that's no longer used and you using it casually, no I can't you're arguably using it in the same context.

Where did I say it was entertaining?

Not to me it wasn't.

A nursery rhyme of old that's no longer used and you using it casually, no I can't you're arguably using it in the same context.

Where did I say it was entertaining?

I meant he was using it to be 'entertaining'.

So if a newspaper reports an incident of racial abuse, and quotes the words used - they're being racist, just as much as the original abuser? Can you not see the gaping lack of logic there?

Anyway say he did use it in Nursery Rhyme of old how come that's wrong but it's not for grum and other's to use it on this and other threads?

You are actually disagreeing with him never mind us.

I watched his apology late last night I might have misunderstood what he said so if indeed he may have said it then I'm wrong then. Still I don't think he meant it in a racist way but the BBC and I assume him were wise not to use it given how many people on here seem outraged as an example but then use it themselves.

Shall we use the example of the word chinky to explain how the word can be used in a racist way and a non racist way?

Feel free to find the old posts if you want but I bet you can't find one where I referred to a person in a racist manner in any of my posts I've made.

That was the point DRAC - words can be used in a racist and a non racist way. Repeating what he says is the non racist way. Calling someone the n word is generally the racist way as we do not refer to black people by that term as it is negative and a bit racist.

It is really desperate to claim that quoting what he said is using the word yourself 🙄

So if a newspaper reports an incident of racial abuse, and quotes the words used - they're being racist, just as much as the original abuser? Can you not see the gaping lack of logic there?

It is really desperate to claim that quoting what he said is using the word yourself

No. I'm saying the context in this case is no different.

So if a newspaper reports an incident of racial abuse, and quotes the words used - they're being racist, just as much as the original abuser? Can you not see the gaping lack of logic there?

You'll notice they tend not to though, for the similar reason the word is offensive so they don't print it when complaining of others using it.

No. I'm saying the context in this case is no different.

How on earth can you claim that? 😕

How on earth can you claim that?

Because both you and JC didn't mean it in an offensive manner but the word is seen as offensive so wise not to use it.

kimbers - Member

have people actually heard the video? he definately does not say nurrnnn

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-watch-jeremy-clarkson-use-3481201

Thanks, that forced me to look at the clip, I couldn't previously be bothered, and in that clip Clarkson definitely doesn't say ****, he just mumbles and makes a nonsensical noise.

Although he might as well have said the word as it's so obvious that he is suggesting it. The BBC were right not to broadcast it. And it's a lot of fuss over very little imo.

Thanks, that forced me to look at the clip, I couldn't previously be bothered, and in that clip Clarkson definitely doesn't say ****, he just mumbles and makes a nonsensical noise.

Although he might as well have said the word as it's so obvious that he is suggesting it. The BBC were right not to broadcast it. And it's a lot of fuss over very little imo.

Dear God this hurts.

+1 ernie_lynch

Maybe he was quoting Mel Gibson?

People that hate him hear what they've been told/hear what they want to hear

You're as bad as all the daily mail readers who complained about Ross and Brand without hearing the show

Those with no agenda just hear him mumble something that cannot be made out.

Usual Clarkson haters drone on.

Zzzzzzz

JC didn't mean it in an offensive manner

* i am not saying you were a racist for using this word [ I would not use it mind] but you were happy to use it and defend it - you may note JC was not happy to defend it. A big difference.
you got more grief for that than required IMHO including some on going goading for it by some. I am only using as it as it useful counter example and not as means of having a dig at you. I disagree with its use but I dont think your usage makes you racist to be explicitly clear here.

You'll notice they tend not to though, for the similar reason the word is offensive so they don't print it when complaining of others using it.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2011/jan/05/censoring-mark-twain-n-word-unacceptable

I'm genuinely amazed that you can claim that a factual description of what someone said is the same as using a racist nursery rhyme on a light entertainment show in the first place.

And it's a lot of fuss over very little imo.

Isn't Clarkson middle class and therefore secretly racist though?

You're as bad as all the daily mail readers who complained about Ross and Brand without hearing the show

I have not personally seen any acts of genocide can I hold an opinion on the reported facts or do I have to have seen it?

It does hurt (and getting a bit common) but E_L +1 again 😉 (except that it is not that hard to "hear" what he says).

I would bet there was a shall we / shan't we debate about that clip and the slope one in terms of airing. It's all about pushing buttons - but rarely the Jenson versions despite the program's billing.

If that was the case he would have said it proudly and then defended it's use as you did with chinky

The N word is fairly well known to be offensive, chinky I'd never known as offensive when talking about food as mentioned in the original conversations neither did the takeaway owner.

Defending using the N word really is a very difficult thing to do which is maybe why his apology is rather confusing and difficult. It's just a word that really shouldn't be used.

i am not saying you were a racist for using this word

Thank you. Anyone who has met me would tell you that or all things I may be racist is certainly not one of them far from it.

it sounds like 'igger to me?

(fwiw i share an office with a half nigerean guy and a uk-ghanean woman, they think he said it but in the grand scheme of things dont think hes racist, just a dick)

were there any black people present in the film crew?
would he have even mumbled it if there were

its very much like the andy gray thing, the guy obviously has enemies, so this kind of stuff leaks out, im amazed it took 2 years to appear on the web!

its the constant drip drip of slurs from clarkson thats making this issue into a bigger incident than it is

Is it time for Doc Brown yet?