And yes, Clarkson sells his gammony opinions as one of the star columnists for The Sun.
Meanwhile Meghan and Harry sell their unhappiness over the way they exited the Royal Family to Netflix. And to be blunt, raking over those past injuries is really all they have to offer as an asset.
It's quite possible that they're gonna run out of material before he does.
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Maybe I’m being too literal but “I hate her [Meghan] on a cellular level, ……. not like I hate Nicola Sturgeon (White) or Rose West (also White)” is really trying to emphasize that he hates them intrinsically for who they are on a biological level. I mean on a cellular level what’s the difference between them other than the Melanin content?
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well that didn't really jump out as racism to me on first reading but it's definitely an interesting choice of words!
What did he say in the article thats racist towards Megan? Saying he doesn't like her isn't racist. I'm not defending him at all, just a had a skim read and didn't see anything. Or might have missed something.
well that didn’t really jump out as racism to me on first reading but it’s an interesting point
.. an interesting but also ambiguous point - could also be interpreted as his cellular level similar to 'every fibre of my being'.
I’m sure he’s really bothered about your opinion! You’re overreacting if she’d been white you wouldn’t give it a 2nd thought.
That's an incredibly insensitive comment on your part, especially considering some of the threads you've started yourself. FWIW, you'll have noticed I separated the race & gender based content in my post, which supposes I was insulted by the racial assumption and sexist comments not both together exclusively. To promote and support such mysojonistic violence and degradation is outrageous.
People are allowed their own opinions,just because he dislikes Meghan money grabber doesn’t make him racist !
As per others, if you know Megan Markle exclusively and have the facts to trancend the Media+Windsor vs The Sussex' argument please enlighten us, but I'd suggest you've formed your own ill informed opinion.
could also be interpreted as his cellular level similar to ‘every fibre of my being’
So, where does his base hatred for her come from, and why does he claim so many his age feel the same way? What is he whipping up hatred and manufacturing consent for others to be full of hatred about?
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.. an interesting but also ambiguous point – could also be interpreted as his cellular level similar to ‘every fibre of my being’.
So could his hilarious 'slope' comment.
Interesting how it's all women he hates.
^^^
He’s paid to.
It's plausible deniability.
Dog whistle language but make sure there's plenty of wiggle room so that people jump up and down saying, 'But it's not racist! Woke culture gone mad...'
Many on here think of themselves as past masters at doing this but in reality they are just as transparent as Clarkson.
Some mad old bloke spouting poorly judged, offensive bollox on the internet - well, that's the price of free speech, I'm afraid. It's really the newspaper that needs to be taking the criticism. Very poor editorial decision.
Many on here think of themselves as past masters at doing this but in reality they are just as transparent as Clarkson.
This is very true, although I think not so much these days, since all the anti-woke, right-wingers have been bullied off the forum, save for a few “she was wearing tribal clothes” and “I hear Europe is racist now, father…” types 😉
well, that’s the price of free speech, I’m afraid.
Is it? And when some - mixed race or otherwise - girl gets attacked, paraded naked and shat on because some nasty piece of work got the idea from Clarkson's text, what would you say then? The promotion and acceptance of this kind of language often leads to far darker outcomes.
Its not freedom of speech, its an apparent freedom of hate laced vocabulary which even provides an image for certain members of society to target. It's totally and utterly vile and irresponsible.
As per others, if you know Megan Markle exclusively and have the facts to trancend the Media+Windsor vs The Sussex’ argument please enlighten us, but I’d suggest you’ve formed your own ill informed opinion.
On the same argument you made your opinion on Clarkson - do you know what he's really thinking ? No.
I don't have an opinion on the Royals couldn't care either way, nor do I care for Clarkson.
Kryton please show us where Clarkson has been racist in his comment ?
To promote and support such mysojonistic violence and degradation is outrageous.
clearly you're offended very easily
Is it? And when some – mixed race or otherwise – girl gets attacked, paraded naked and shat on because some nasty piece of work got the idea from Clarkson’s text, what would you say then?
How does your mind work ?!? where did you read this from or is it your own thought ? How have you got to this ?
Don't you have a daughter?
do you know what he’s really thinking ?
He wrote it down.
where did you read this from or is it your own thought ?
Clarkson wrote it.
How have you got to this ?
Clarkson wrote it (not verbatim)
Blokes a prick!
I used to think, he was just playing a role, but I now think he’s just one of those old tossers who don’t really have anything to say so just rant about shit they see in press headlines without actually looking into what the story is about.
Did I say the blokes a Prick!
Yup, He's been playing a role for ~25 years, but I think He started to mutate into actually becoming the caricature he was playing about ~15 odd years ago and somewhere along the way just forgot what it was like to not be a prick, now he's kind of stuck like that.
I kind of view Clarkson and his deliberate public ****tery as symptomatic of our national decline, as the nation slides into irrelevance and obsesses over its long gone glorious past, so does the Clarkson.
He's only ever really been rewarded for playing a sort of oafish middle-aged bigot. Even when he got himself sacked from the BBC he managed to fall upwards into the wealth laden arms of Jeff Bezos, that's not really how the world should work.
It all serves to reinforce the message to all those other well off middle-aged oafs; you don't really need to change or learn to treat others with respect, the world will work around you and accommodate your need to be an outspoken arse. Sadly this is still the case.
This is a fun watch:
It’s plausible deniability.
Dog whistle language but make sure there’s plenty of wiggle room so that people jump up and down saying, ‘But it’s not racist! Woke culture gone mad…’
The bloke who is the true grand master at this managed to ride a wave of it all the way to make him PM
But what did he say that is racist?
Like I said, it's dog-whistle racism.
Just enough deniability so that others who share his views can say things like, 'Point out to me exactly where the racist thing is said.'
Kryton, not much comfort as I can imagine how you might be feeling, but you know that thing about not arguing with idiots because they just drag you down…etc. Well mate…that!
do you know what he’s really thinking ? No
The comments on this thread are all about what he wrote, and someone is trying to help you understand the possible ramifications of such hate speech appearing in the national press. It could all be performative... that doesn't really change anything if it is... but he claims that his hatred is at the "cellular level" rather than just done for attention... so we can probably suspect that he wants at least some of his audience to believe that the means is, whether he really believes it or not. That dividing up your audience into "it's just a joke no harm done", and "yeah, he's right, I'm one of those people he says also has this base hatred" is a hard line to walk, and I think that he's wobbled right over that line this time. Long been a big fan... enjoyed all the stuff he's done after the move to Amazon, especially the farm... even enjoy and seek out watching Millionaire with him hosting... but this one has stopped me in my tracks, and has me second guessing all the times I've gone along with his "japes"... this one doesn't look funny... in fact it stinks... and I'm now embarrassed to have gone alone with him in the past when he has walked that line more successfully. The fact he thinks he can get away with it says a lot about our press, and what they allow to be thrown at their "targets".
Kryton, not much comfort as I can imagine how you might be feeling, but you know that thing about not arguing with idiots because they just drag you down…etc. Well mate…that!
Yeah thanks, I decided to stop responding after my last post. There is no need to post further, the issues are self evident.
.. an interesting but also ambiguous point – could also be interpreted as his cellular level similar to ‘every fibre of my being’.
If it was an of the cuff remark you could perhaps treat it as such. But it's not, it's something he's sat down and carefully considered every word of, through several drafts, and the the sub editor and lawyers will have double checked.
If he'd meant "with every fiber of my being" he would have said that, yet he didn't, he didn't even say "I hate every fiber of her being". He's carefully chosen a very specific set of words.
Personally I couldn’t care what he says, though I’ve enjoyed playing the part of I’m a clarkson fan, I’m not.
Most journalists write utter tripe that’s the media money making way.
Kryton I apologise for winding you up…
This is what I don’t read the media/news use Facebook/twitter it’s full of hatred and crap !
, though I’ve enjoyed playing the part of I’m a clarkson fan, I’m not.
You can share someone's views without being a fan.
Most journalists write utter tripe that’s the media money making way.
While thats true, especially in the kind of publications we're talking about, there are real world consequences when it starts blurring the boundries into hate speech and incitement.
The general national conversation has become so corrupted since a lot of standards were thrown out of the window in a certain divisive campaign in 2016, that we've become so desensitised it as to believe some things are acceptable, when they're really not. Not in any kind of civilised society anyway.
And the guiltiest parties then revert to bleating about 'freedom of speech' when what they really mean is 'my divine right to be a ****'
clarkson us an odious, opinionated, objectiobable indivudual whose only obectives are publicity and money.
It would appear The Sun understands it's target market very well.
though I’ve enjoyed playing the part of I’m a clarkson fan, I’m not
I have long been a fan. Probably why I do care what was said. Feel like a mug.
Kryton I apologise for winding you up…
Well done. We can all learn a lesson from you there.
This is what I don’t read the media/news use Facebook/twitter it’s full of hatred and crap !
Which was the whole point of their Netflix series (still not watched it). Easy for you and I to opt out. Not so easy for Markle and others. Once she was a target, and the Royal Family looked to be tactility accepting that she was a target, her life was made hell. Clarkson's piece is upping the anti when it comes to getting people to hate her. That will leak beyond just impacting her. It's horrendous stuff really.
He's written and got away with writing worse. Which is a comment about this country and "journalism", rather than about him.
He's doing so because he thinks that the target audience feels this way and will get riled up by it, not necessarily because he does.
He knows what he's doing*, and I'm pretty sure his daughter is in on it too.
*plugging his Farming and Car related content on Amazon when loads of people are about to have two weeks off work and a month's trial of Amazon Prime.
Occam's Razor = Dog Whistle Racism.
Its that simple
Well done. We can all learn a lesson from you there
This is a forum it’s called banter, it used to be okay to banter now it’s not as people get to upset.
We don’t all have to agree on everything (though it helps on this forum otherwise you’re ousted)
well, that’s the price of free speech, I’m afraid.
We don't have free speech.
I don't read it as racism - the "cellular level" refers to his cellular level, nothing to do with hers. He's comparing MM to other women that he loathes. This comes across as misogynistic, but again, I'm almost certain that's not what he was intending. He was aiming (in his confused eyes) for comparable people. So Women (check), Controversial (check) and that's as far as he got.
As someone above said, he's an idiot with little in the way of a filter between his brain and his mouth, but that filter should have been provided by The Sun and its Editors.
This is a forum it’s called banter, it used to be okay to banter now it’s not as people get to upset
Jeez. The only thing missing is that you didn't call us snowflakes.
the “cellular level” refers to his cellular level, nothing to do with hers
I read it differently in that he not only hates her as a whole, but he hates her down to her individual cells. Either way he is an odious **** and the world would be a better place if disappeared from the media as a whole. Same for Piers Morgan.
the “cellular level” refers to his cellular level, nothing to do with hers.
If it was a spoken piece in the spur of the moment I'd agree.
But given it was written, edited, redrafted and stuck with despite obvious 'interpretation' problems, you have to really raise the question why. And the obvious conclusion i come to as well is the same as others - dog whistle racism with just enough deniability to claim it as poor choice of language.
[edit - and the editors will have also seen it and decided not to edit that bit, or the paraded naked part out. On rereading it is absolutely a deliberate choice in full knowledge of what they were doing]
Banter? Bantz, surely?
A bit of bantz with the parent of a mixed race girl following a hate piece (how else do you describe it) written by a journalist (ie a professional and skilled writer who knows exactly what they are doing) aimed at a mixed race woman.
Krytrons daughter has nothing to do with MM.
If you’re interpreting that way that’s your look out.
I kind of view Clarkson and his deliberate public ****tery as symptomatic of our national decline, as the nation slides into irrelevance and obsesses over its long gone glorious past, so does the Clarkson.
We've been basking in the 'good' old days for too long and don't seem to have come up with anything new to replace it.
UK has extremely low standards on many things. Humour, food, economics and intolerance.
Let's not be so scared of change yeah?
Some people on this thread need to take a step back from the keyboard.
Nastiness and point scoring is ruining this forum.
Lots of sniping, back biting, and general unkindness
3 things I don’t give a shit about and have no bearing on my life – Clarkson, The Sun, Meghan Markle.
I don’t care about them either but I do care about how women are represented in the media. I certainly care if there is a vitreolic pile on because she’s prepared to point out the ridiculousness of the monarchy and all that goes with it.
was it racist? Frankly it doesn’t matter it was an awful thing to write. It may well be a game of thrones reference but you aren’t supposed to watch GOT and think, I wish the world was more like that.
if it wasn’t either racist or mysoginy (or indeed both) why single out Megan (and two other women) and not mention Harry. No matter how big a royalist you are if you think THEY are wrong, it must surely be both of them, he could have chosen not to form a relationship, he could have chosen not to marry her, he could probably have negotiated a calmer exit. After all he is the royalty - but perhaps what people don’t like is someone inside the firm is calling it out for being a total anachronism in 2022. But you can’t criticise Harry as that would in some way imply royalty are actually fallable like the rest of us and undermine the whole basis for one family being superior to the rest.
I suspect part of the reason he fell in love with her is she was prepared to turn round and criticise an institution he already knew was ****ed up. I’m pretty sure even his mates in the army never had the balls to say - “that’s mental”.
someone like Clarkson could use their platform to point out the ridiculousness of it all - but he’s chosen not to because he’s actually part of the gang.
I’m not a fan of the sun, but I don’t actually mind that they published it. I’d rather they out him for what he is, and let those who leap to his defence do the same than quietly edit it do something less offensive. You’ve got to admire his bravery though - picking on Nicola Sturgeon usually gets a backlash from the type of nationalist who would happily fling shit at him if he walked down the royal mile. I assume he’s not planning any trips North of the Border for a while!
When turds like this float up to the media surface,I often wonder what message it puts out(at a subliminal level) to our Yoof.
Seems there is no point being a broad minded,caring and well balanced human ,when it appears you can 'have it all' by being an utter ....
If you’re interpreting that way that’s your look out.
That our media happily publishes such hate pieces effects all our daughters. Do I think that the nature and target of this attack and others on Markle has an even more negative effect on attitudes towards girls and women who are not white than those that are? Yes. That’s my “look out” as you put it. Others might want to just turn away and ignore it as celebrity nonsense that doesn’t effect real people in the wider world at all, I don’t agree that publishing pure hate pieces like this has such a contained and limited effect.