Whilst I am used to the CPt doing whatabouterry [ and only discussing the left] on any thread where right wingers are being criticised he has slumped to new depths of credibility with bring both Corbyn and Venezuela into this debate.
Pretty please could you either criticise right wingers [ what I term discussing the topic] when they do something or STFU as your whatabouterry is beneath you and this forum. Imagine if I just responded to any Corbyn post by discussing irrelevant right wingers in another country....would you be impressed by this or view it relevant?
A fuller version of Trump's response to this terrorist attack:"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence, on many sides. On many sides."
No way Trump wrote that tweet
Flashy clearly hit a nerve with the loons. His comparison is clear and justified, and the subsequent vitriol directed his way is also entirely predictable. The loons' angry denials doesn't change reality it only reinforces how disconnected they are. Left wing violence is the inconvenient truth and Corbyn's support for violent marxist regimes is a valid comparison to draw on a thread about political violence.
entirely predictable.
Yup. Some things you can set your watch by.
Marco Rubio thinks Trump should be calling out against white supremacist terrorists:
His position on Corbyn re Venezuela, however, remains unclear.
#boycottpost-its
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right hook
No need for a picture of an ironing board
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/venezuela-2
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But agree RIP Heather - condemn all violence and murder
No way Trump wrote that tweet
Spot on.
Unless he's had plenty of covfefe obviously.
surprised at you Flash, that was a pretty shameful post.<THIS!
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Madness. How the police allow the counter demonstration I do not know. It all just predictably blows up from there.
- Some swivel eyed right winger.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
- Some black dude writing from a gaol in Birmingham, Alabama.
CFH has a point
True but not a popular one it seems. Probably something to do with balance.
His point is a fair one its his timing and the whataboutery that is way off.
Possibly, AA, but then so is the predictable reaction (even if the myopic lack of balance is ironically amusing)
"Shameful" - 😯
Oh the ironyeven if the myopic lack of balance is ironically amusing
teamhurtmore - MemberClassy stuff.
Yes, in fact considerably classier than his post deserved. But I can see why you've decided to respond to our posts rather than to comment on his.
Having seen the video of the armed white supremacists in Charlotteville I think it took some courage to turn out to protest against them.
His point is a fair one
Except of course that the neo-nazis and KKK supporters are [b]claiming legitimacy from the election of Donald Trump[/b]... after all, [i]they[/i] got him elected... (or so they claim). Might explain why he can't just come out and condemn them.
Which makes his point completely irrelevant.
And besides, have you [i]seen[/i] his shoes?
But I can see why you've chosen to respond to our posts
Well that's excellent news and progress. Let's see how/if you have taken it in...
rather than to comment on his
My comments are very clear. Condemn all violence and murder- you can read them up above. But spoiler alert - they are balanced, so might not go down too well. CFH tried a version earlier but his went down like a cup of cold sick. "Shameful" apparently....
And besides, have you seen his shoes?
Has Trump?
after all, they got him elected...
All 500 of them?
The only person who got Trump elected was Hillary. Very few people voted for Trump. Less voted for Hillary.
Are you sure about that?
Err righto
Has Trump?
covfefe
It would appear so...
What's flashy been paying for?
All 500 of them?
There are only 500 neo-nazis and KKK supporters in the US? You sure about that?
Re. the actual votes cast in the last US election, go check and see who won the popular vote. Was it 3 million more that voted for Hilary (using your logic though, they were only voting [i]against[/i] Trump...)?
What's flashy been paying for?
Fashion crimes against humanity.
The only person who got Trump elected was Hillary. Very few people voted for Trump. Less voted for Hillary.
To be fair, more voted for Hillary, just in the wrong places (whether they all had a right to vote is a different issue, of course)
Having seen the video of the armed white supremacists in Charlotteville I think it took some courage to turn out to protest against them.
Don't forget, if the protesters had had cars they could have run the attacker over before he drove into them
When i rode across the us 20 years ago the only place we were hassled was charlotesville. The locals thought it q entertaining to drive past us shouting in their pickups. I couldnt understand a word they were shouting but they didnt seem v friendly. We carried on...
Our pet right wing nut jobs are now talking about Hilary. 😆
To be fair, more voted for Hillary, just in the wrong places (whether they all had a right to vote is a different issue, of course)
Fair enough. Compare how many voted for Obama with Hillary and you'll see the problem. It wasn't an increase in the Republican vote, there was a collapse in the Democrat vote.
500 rednecks had nothing to do with it.
Don't forget, if the protesters had had cars they could have run the attacker over before he drove into them
They should just have borrowed an ICBM off NK, problem solved...
Fair enough. Compare how many voted for Obama with Hillary and you'll see the problem. It wasn't an increase in the Republican vote,[i] [u]there was a collapse in the Democrat vote.[/u][/i]
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Third time lucky, maybe?
Jamie, don't be going dragging [i]facts[/i] in to it. It just confuses the poor dear.
This was posted on Facebook by a friend of mine. The source is a locked post made by a friend of his. I'm reposting with permission.
[i]"I think I'm out of social media spoons for the weekend. Before I go, I just want to be sure we're all clear on what just happened.
A rally was organized called "Unite the Right" in Charlottesville, VA to show support among the various "right wing" groups. The groups included white supremacist groups like Identity Evropa, men's rights activist groups like the Proud Boys, white nationalists like the Traditionalist Worker Party, and literal actual National Socialists. Not "oh I don't like their ideas so I'll call them Nazis". Actual self-described Nazis. They went out, bought torches, and marched through the University of Virginia last night with nearly no police presence, and openly assaulted (and admitted on twitter to assaulting) a small group of peaceful unarmed anti-Nazi protesters. A number of prominent Republicans (e.g. Orrin Hatch) condemned the rally, but the president remained silent.
The group of Nazis and their supporters marched again today, again with little police presence. David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK spoke at the rally saying "We are determined to take this country back. We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what we believed in. That's why we voted for Donald Trump, because he's going to take our country back, and that's what we're going to do."
The anti-Nazi protesters were at a separate location, to avoid conflicts. Then a white supremacist got in his car, drove to them, and drove his car into the crowd of peaceful anti-Nazi protesters, injuring 19 and killing 1 of them.
Again prominent Republicans condemned hatred, white supremacy, and Nazis. After the violence, the president finally made a statement, condemning "this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". To my mind, it should be clear that the hatred and bigotry is isolated to one specific side. This was literally a group of Nazis and Nazi supporters. Every other condemnation I have seen from both Republicans and Democrats has directly called out Nazis and white supremacists (although mostly overlooking the men's rights activists). All of them except the one, who seems to think "many sides" are at fault. This is where our country is.
I would like to post this publicly, but honestly, I'm afraid. I don't feel confident that I would be protected. I don't think that I can rely on the people of this country."[/i]
Don't worry Cougar, there's only 5 hunner of em, Elefie says so, must be fact.
Next time, antifa just needs to take their cars....
The anti-Nazi protesters were at a separate location, to avoid conflicts. Then a white supremacist got in his car, drove to them, and drove his car into the crowd of peaceful anti-Nazi protesters, injuring 19 and killing 1 of them.Again prominent Republicans condemned hatred, white supremacy, and Nazis. After the violence, the president finally made a statement, condemning "this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". To my mind, it should be clear that the hatred and bigotry is isolated to one specific side. This was literally a group of Nazis and Nazi supporters. Every other condemnation I have seen from both Republicans and Democrats has directly called out Nazis and white supremacists (although mostly overlooking the men's rights activists). All of them except the one, who seems to think "many sides" are at fault. This is where our country is.
So this is the occasion where it's now OK to burden an entire community with collective responsibility for the 'lone wolf' actions of an individual and expect community leaders to condemn the actions and apologise on the communities behalf?
Interesting
CFH tried a version earlier
Only he didn't. All he did was trot out the "what about Corbyn" reflex, regardless of the total irrelevance of Corbyn to anything about this event.
But you knew that.
expect community leaders to apologise on their behalf?
Where did you read anything about apologising?
And this ladies and gentlemen is what you get when you elect a President for whom Morality and Respect are meaningless and irrelevant. What did we expect when the very President operates on the principal of selfishness and self aggrandisement?
Shall we check Doc?
For Trump, the fault is the right wing loons on the march in Charlottesville. For Corbyn, it's the murderous government in Venezuela. Neither is willing to admit it, so we get the mealy mouthed "on both sides" statements
But you knew that 😉
Third time lucky, maybe?
Are you suggesting that [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/52 ]Bimbler's post on the Trump thread [/url] is inaccurate?
Shall we check Doc?
Please do. When you come up with anything that contradicts what I said, feel free to jump in again.
Try the bit in the quote box, it's what CFH actually said, but you knew that 😉
You're just repeating yourself. Boring.
And you keep making unfounded accusations. Even more boring. Actually not, revealing more like.
If anything, that's what's shameless.
Zzzzzzz
The subject of this thread is an event which occurred in the US, and a statement regarding that event by the President of the United States. What relevance to that does a comment of any sort by the leader of the British Labour party have?
In any case, why does discussing of what Trump says have to be "balanced" by something else? Perhaps we should criticise the sports reporters for not "balancing" their report of Chelsea vs Burnley with some reporting of a match that Chelsea won?
No, I'm afraid that CFH just couldn't help himself and for some reason you have chosen to attempt to defend the indefensible. Foolish.
