I'd run you over with my car to get away from you
Good luck with that. If you werent a nazi you wouldnt need to worry.
I don't understand why ninfan isn't banned.
I don't understand why ninfan isn't banned
Freedom of speech, innit.
Ninfan still waiting for any evidence of your claim that the driver was trying to get away from the counter protesters.
Funny that, because if you were near me and suggesting punching me in the face was appropriate then I'd run you over with my car to get away from you
You keep saying this, as if you actually believe that the fascist driving the car was trying to get away from violent protestors trying to punch him in the mouth, am I right?
So, how come the rather excellent video footage from behind the group of peaceful protesters clearly shows a grey Dodge Challenger driving at speed, with no other vehicle anywhere near it, straight into the back of those walking in the same direction it was going, then, having killed one innocent woman, and mutilating a couple of dozen others, reverses back up the same empty street, at high speed, with the front end smashed and hanging off.
Please, let's see you maintain that the fascist driver was driving away, and got hit from behind by another vehicle driving away, when there's clear and unequivocal video from a reputable news source, CNN as it happens, that proves otherwise.
[Edit] By the way, if you're a drunk American making Nazi salutes in Germany, you get punched in the mouth; would you condone that American deliberately driving over innocent people while getting away as justified?
Bearing in mind his behaviour is illegal...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/14/drunken-american-beaten-up-for-giving-nazi-salute-in-germany
Let's see what comes out at court, eh?
Put up or shut up.
Let's see what comes out at court, eh?
I agree with Zulu eleven...
I really need a shower now
Still no sign of this though "stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away. Unverified but seems like a realistic scenario."
"Nothing makes us more proud at the KKK than we see white patriots such as James Fields Jr, age 20, taking his car and running over nine communist anti-fascist, killing one ****-lover named Heather Heyer. James Fields hail victory. It's men like you that have made the great white race strong and will be strong again."
I don't understand why ninfan isn't banned
Freedom of speech, innit.
Tough this FoS idea isn't it?
Let's see what comes out at court, eh?
I don't think the outcome will be in debate.
Well other than by you, who seems to be able to justify pretty much any act of abhorrent behaviour.
Bugger, the video doesn't want to play, here's another link:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/videos-show-car-crash-into-protesters/vp-AApVDzL
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article167303682.html
Have found Ninfan's identity?
Let's see what comes out at court, eh?
I'll hold you to that, the next time you call terrorism on a bombing.
This was Ninfans response to the "Ban the Burqa" thread
Isn't equality about treating everyone the same?
He then posted pictures of no smoking cigarette and no helmet signs.
[b]*deadpan sarcastic monotone voice ON*[/b] He is clearly a man who believes in freedom of speech and religious expression.
Are we all agreed then, that Jambaliar and Ninfan are closet Fascists - who hide behind tenants of [i]Freedom of Speech[/i], albeit be they poorly understood on their part, when it suits them. So that they may attack and undermine their enemy "the left"? They are the types of people, who would like nothing more than to exploit the mechanisms of democracy at a time and place that suits them - and then once their political enemies have been destroyed, they would either seek to or support the destruction of democracy itself.
In short, they are traitors.
I'm having a lot of fun with you rank amateurs. **** me, judging by the boasts of some of you being "Oxbridge", I've woefully undersold myself. I should have become a ****ing PR goon for the Labour party.
Are we all agreed then, that Jambaliar and Ninfan are closet Fascists - who hide behind tenants of Freedom of Speech, albeit be they poorly understood on their part, when it suits them. So that they may attack and undermine their enemy "the left"? They are the types of people, who would like nothing more than to exploit the mechanisms of democracy at a time and place that suits them - and then once their political enemies have been destroyed, they would either seek to or support the destruction of democracy itself.
Mmmmm, yeah, seems about right.
Although, extremists at the other end of the spectrum are effectively indistinguishable when it comes to their aims and the way they go about achieving them, thinking particularly of the Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, Sendero Luminoso, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin...
Nor is it backed up by data on political violence. Of at least 372 murders that were committed by domestic extremists between 2007 and 2016, according to a study by the Anti-Defamation League, 74 percent were committed by right-wing extremists. Muslim extremists were responsible for 24 percent of those killings, and the small remainder were committed by left-wing extremists, the study concluded.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/theories-meaning-trump-many-sides-remark.html
Ninfan and Jambaliar are extremists, who adhere to a doctrine more dangerous than Islamism.
I think the Americans should consider banning the use of encryption by known alt-righters and start something akin to the PREVENT program to re-educate them.
If it's good enough for Islam, it's good enough for them.
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I don't understand why ninfan isn't banned
On what grounds should we ban him?
As I said earlier, holding unpopular opinions isn't grounds for censorship. That's a bad precedence to be setting.
re-educate them
Ah, lefties and their fascination with re-education camps, plus ca change.
Cougar, obviously I should be banned for condemning violence, and incitement to violence, by both sides. Aparrently I'm supposed to only criticise violence by the Nazi's, because somehow Nazi violence is inherently worse than the righteous violence of the anti-Nazis, and only a Nazi would condemn all violence, or think that free speech applies to all.
Frankly, I think it's hilarious the number of people on here who hold themselves to be some sort of paragons of equality and tolerance, whose mask has slipped by condoning physical violence against people they don't like. The true double standards and hypocrisy of the 'tolerant left'
Do you really want me to dig up either yours or Jambaliars support for the PREVENT program.
I mean, do I really have to waste the energy or do eithet of you just want to come clean?
I know one of you does, but you two are so similar I sometimes mistake you for being the same poster.
ff a nazi was near me and he was suggesting lynching or slavery were appropriate then yes a swift smack in the mouth seems proportional to me.
Funny that, because if you were near me and suggesting punching me in the face was appropriate then I'd run you over with my car to get away from you
Am I misreading this? You're literally admitting to being a Nazi - you replied to: (if a nazi was near me... a swift smack in the mouth seems proportional | if you were near me and suggesting punching [b]me [/b]in the face was appropriate). And then in the context of this discussion where someone has been killed by a car you're positing running over someone for their difference of opinion?
Guys, Ninfans a victim now. Hes been..... OPPRESSED.
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Cougar - ModeratorOn what grounds should we ban him?
I think a lot of people believe he's only takes these positions to troll people, and that of course is against the rules.
Me, I think he's genuine- which is definitely worse, it's just not against the rules.
Cougar, obviously I should be banned for condemning violence, and incitement to violence, by both sides. Aparrently I'm supposed to only criticise violence by the Nazi's, because somehow Nazi violence is inherently worse than the righteous violence of the anti-Nazis, and only a Nazi would condemn all violence, or think that free speech applies to all.
As far as I can tell from the discussion here, no-one's suggesting that you should or shouldn't "only criticise violence by the Nazi's." Rather the criticism here is that that you probably shouldn't be making excuses for them.
I think a lot of people think he's only takes these positions to troll people, and that of course is against the rules.
Entirely possible, a lot of the old hands are so very very good at walking the line.
Me, I think he's genuine- which is definitely worse, it's just not against the rules.
Welcome to my world.
because somehow Nazi violence is inherently worse than the righteous violence of the anti-Nazis.
A fair summary of WW2
Is that another whatabout?
I love how the best you could come up with, instead of say a robust denial of being a PREVENT supporter, is a random link to the Katyn massacre.
Imho, being a nazi is a beyond daft.
Hitler was wrong about everything and genetically they're painting themselves into a corner (much like our aristocracy).
Also, I wouldn't disagree with the 'fear of the next reincarnation' thing.
My theory is that beginner souls are given five or six lives before they get a chance to make any assessments or reflections on them, kind of crash-bang-wallop-bush-bash-bosh.
So your racist cop has been given an easy life to start with (badge and gun included!), but they're also ' peering into the abyss' of their future incarnations, so connected are they.
Or maybe it is just peĀ£is-envy!
Feel a bit naughty for jumping in without reading every post. But seeing as am travelling around the area at the mo here's a few thoughts:
There was a programme like prevent but for Nazis. Only one of Trump's mates wife's shut it down.
People in this part of the world are lovely. But many of them are deeply misinformed. Some of them are Nazis (no, not alt-right, Nazis).
There is lots of misinformation, obfuscation, and opinion. There is less communication of fact and reason. Even my lefty Jewish father in law is sounding like a Trump supporter.
Trump is a lieing toe rag who refuses to condemn the Nazis. Even the Nazis agree with this statement.
Jeremy Corbyn has f all relevance to what's happening here.
Trump manages to make everything about him.
The what - about - ery on here is funny.
But:
Antifa is not the same but a different side of the coin from Nazis.
In very simple terms for the hard of thinking:
Nazis bad (even if they're just standing there silent).
Antifascists good.
Richard Spencer = Nazi, bad
Driving a car into people = terrorism, bad
Trying to excuse Trump, Spencer or terrorists = uhm, no
Yeah, just to be clear.
Violence by Nazis is not the same as violence against Nazis. There is a clear moral distinction.
Violence by Nazis is not the same as violence against Nazis. There is a clear moral distinction.
Its when you the definition of Nazis gets a bit blurred is when the body count goes up.
Not advocating Nazis, or fascists in general but when its generally accepted that you can 'punch a nazi' I would feel a bit uneasy about the direction that society is heading.
Lets do what the Germans do and just make that stuff illegal and let the law deal with it?
On what grounds should we ban him?
As I said earlier, holding unpopular opinions isn't grounds for censorship. That's a bad precedence to be setting.
As far as I'm aware there's no law or principle that obliges stw to provide a platform for hatred. Freedom of speech isn't the same as the right to be published wherever you wish.
Tough this FoS idea isn't it?
Maybe but it's not relevant. His right to speech is clear but nobody is obliged to publish what he says.
I think the only crime ninfan is guilty of is pouring it on a bit thick.
I engage with him the same way I do with Chekwk.
Which is the same way I do a dog with a bucket on it's head.
Bit harsh Jamie. Those dogs don't put the buckets on their own heads you know.
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Some anti fascist protesters, heading out to commit violence against nazis who were just minding their own business.
Fantastic set of tweets from the 82nd airborne division that i saw last night. One of the neo-nazi demonstraters had an 82nd airborne hat on, so the proceeded to give a history lesson around what they did during the liberation of Europe and that any idiot can buy a hat
Jamie - Member
I think the only crime ninfan is guilty of is pouring it on a bit thick.
He's pushing the Devil's Advocate stance as far as possible to make a point and to seek attention.
We get the point.
It's up to us how much attention we wish to give.
Violence by Nazis is not the same as violence against Nazis. There is a clear moral distinction.
šÆ I hope that you are not a lawyer.
How many other categories could you substitute for [nazis] ?
Doc, no need to labour the point. What you want is very clear, the early morning posts are a give away
It's up to us how much attention we wish to give.
Very well said....and the evidence is extraordinary, isn't it.....almost obsessive š
teamhurtmore - Member
Violence by Nazis is not the same as violence against Nazis. There is a clear moral distinction.
I hope that you are not a lawyer.How many other categories could you substitute for [nazis] ?
Doc, no need to labour the point. What you want is very clear, the early morning posts are a give away
I hope that you are not a lawyer.
How many other categories could you substitute for [nazis] ? Other groups seeking to segregate society, expel people from their homes, eliminate races and religious groups, those proposing the existence of a master race?
THM! no need to labour the point. What you want is very clear, the posts are a give away
Eliminate religious groups - how apt š
Doc, no need to labour the point. What you want is very clear
Gosh. An economist AND a mind reader!! It's almost like the Village People together in the same body!!
