No don't ban ninfan. He's not breaking the rules and censoring people because you don't like what they say is a form of fascism itself.
I'm interested though ninfan. Do you agree with the President's statement that:
"... no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.
[b]Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans[/b]. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry, strike at the very core of America."
that was yesterday. keep up.
when its generally accepted that you can 'punch a nazi' I would feel a bit uneasy about the direction that society is heading.
Hasn't it always been pretty much acceptable to punch Nazis? For me, the worrying trend is that it seems to be getting [i]less[/i] acceptable to punch them, which makes me worry about the direction that society is heading.
Other groups seeking to segregate society, expel people from their homes, eliminate races and religious groups, those proposing the existence of a master race
Replace 'race' with 'cult' and that describes Islamism perfectly, which despite continued denials is the REAL fascist threat we face, rather than a fringe bunch of rednecks waving flags.
Princess Diana is dead too
By Islamism, are you referring to the dangerous group of terrorists misrepresenting the teachings of a legitimate, mostly peaceful religion for their own violent ends?
Because I'll agree that they are as Fascist as any Nazi, I mean, they use the same tactics and seem to want pretty much the same thing (the extermination of all "others").
If it makes you feel better, I'll pledge to also punch Islamist extremists in the face too, in the interests of balance.
If it makes you feel better, I'll pledge to also punch [s]Islamist[/s] any extremists in the face too, in the interests of balance.
This.
that was yesterday. keep up.
Yes but there is some question on here over whether he is a nazi sympathiser or if he just likes to play Devil's Advocate to wind up "the lefties".
On the Trump thread there is a very similar theme: it is unclear if he actually likes Trump and thinks he is doing a good job or if he just likes winding up lefties.
So here is an interesting opportunity. The president he 'supports' has said that the groups he 'supports' are repugnant, unconstitutional, un-American and un-Godly.
Does ninfan agree?
rather than a fringe bunch of rednecks waving flags.
That's was the case until they got their man in the Whitehouse....
Very well said....and the evidence is extraordinary, isn't it.....almost obsessive
Slightly ironic from someone who left vowing never to return, but yes.
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Personal opinion - ninfan has issues.
If trolling on here makes him feel better, so be it.
It's pointless trying to debate with him as he's not here for that, he just enjoys the conflict.
Ignore him and he'll seek attention somewhere else.
kimbersThat's was the case until they got their man in the Whitehouse....
So just to clarify, Republicans are Nazis?
Graham I would not ban Ninfan either i would encourage him to post what he actually believes
Of course typing things that are not true that you do not believe and are factually false just to get a reaction is not a breach of STW rules- though personally attacking a person who does this is.
Its not something so noble I would wheel out free speech to defend it
If he meant what he said you may well have a point.
YMMV
So just to clarify, Republicans are Nazis?
Yes. That's exactly what they meant.
No need to be glib Jamie. I think it's worthwhile to try and establish a distinction. Or connection.
So just to clarify, Republicans are Nazis?
just like g8 black block protesters are civil rights activists.
Here we go again.
If it makes you feel better, I'll pledge to also punch Islamist any extremists in the face too, in the interests of balance
How anyone 'feels' makes no bloody difference other than to delay addressing the threat.
jimjam - MemberSo just to clarify, Republicans are Nazis?
That's at least the second time in this thread you've pretended people have said something they haven't. Is it just that you can't come up with a decent response to what's [i]actually[/i] been said?
No need to be glib Jamie. I think it's worthwhile to try and establish a distinction. Or connection.
I think "distraction" was the word you were looking for.
NorthwindThat's at least the second time in this thread you've pretended people have said something they haven't. Is it just that you can't come up with a decent response to what's actually been said?
Ok Northwind, I'm not pretending that anyone is saying something they aren't. I'm trying (obviously in a very flawed fashion) to understand where this spectrum of fascism starts and ends.
No need to be glib Jamie. I think it's worthwhile to try and establish a distinction. Or connection.
Now, now. Don't be protesting like a wilting Southern belle. No-one has equated Republicans with Nazis. It's on par with me saying, so just to clarify, the French have 3 penises? No one has suggested as such, and it serves only to derail the actual conversations being had.
But then you know that, you little tinker.
No-one has equated Republicans with Nazis
kimbers
they got their man in the Whitehouse....
"They" in this case was referring to a "fringe group of rednecks waving flags". (Can we just say they are Nazis for the sake of slightly clearer debate)
So "they" got their man into the whitehouse. IE a substantial portion of people who voted republican must have been Nazis?
Is this a fair statement?
Is this a fair statement?
No.
It is so badly wrong that it does start to appear to be an attempt to confuse matters.
dissonanceNo.
It is so badly wrong that it does start to appear to be an attempt to confuse matters.
[i]A fringe group of flag waving rednecks (nazis) got their man into the Whitehouse. [/i]
Could you explain that sentence for me?
Most Trump voters are not Nazis, but most Nazis are Trump voters.
Clear enough?
Replace 'race' with 'cult' and that describes Islamism perfectly, which despite continued denials is the REAL fascist threat we face, rather than a fringe bunch of rednecks waving flags.
Despite the right being responsible for 75 percent of terrorism deaths in the US since 07?
fin25 - MemberMost Trump voters are not Nazis, but most Nazis are Trump voters.
Clear enough?
That's a nice throw away statement but it does nothing to explain how "they got their man into the whitehouse".
Are we saying that despite being a tiny group of people who aren't representative of most republicans, they were happy that they got someone in the whitehouse who they feel represents them?
Or are we saying that due to a concerted campaign effort by Neo Nazis and white supremacists they were able to convert a substantial amount of undecided voters to vote Trump and/or were able to dissuade young black males in swing states not to vote for Hilary? IE they proactively did something to effect that result or they represent a large enough numbers of voters to have effected the outcome.
I can take both meanings from it, but there's quite a difference in the statements.
what's throwaway about my statement, jimjam?
Oh no Ive always said that it was Putin that got their man in the whitehouse
fin25 - Memberwhat's throwaway about my statement, jimjam?
There's no substance to it. Unless you can tell me percentages then I feel like it's just another way to say Trump is a nazi.
kimbers - MemberOh no Ive always said that it was Putin that got their man in the whitehouse
There's more truth in that statement imo.
jimjam - Member
So just to clarify, Republicans are Nazis?
nope, but I'd think it's fair to say the republicans have a nazi problem.
seosamh77nope, but I'd think it's fair to say the republicans have a nazi problem.
Most Trump supporters are not nazis. 70% of them are not nazis.
So you saying 30% of them are nazi's?jimjam - Member
seosamh77
nope, but I'd think it's fair to say the republicans have a nazi problem.Most Trump supporters are not nazis. 70% of them are not nazis.
I have no idea, it just seemed like a good number.
kimbers - Member
Oh no Ive always said that it was Putin that got their man in the whitehouseThere's more truth in that statement imo.
There's no substance to it. Unless you can tell me percentages then I feel like it's just another way to say Trump is a [s]nazi[/s] [b]Russian Patsy[/b]
See what I did there?
so, you have no idea what you are talking about?jimjam - Member
I have no idea, it just seemed like a good number.
I'm interested though ninfan. Do you agree with the President's statement
yes
I think I've been very clear that the issue is freedom of speech, freedom of belief, and freedom of protest, ought to be absolute (within the caveat of the laws preventing direct incitement to violence, criminal damage and protecting the rights of others, and applied fairly and without favour). Nazis have just as much right to protest as Jews, communists, gays or muslims, none of them have the right to threaten or arrack others,
Despite the right being responsible for 75 percent of terrorism deaths in the US since 07?
What's so special about 2007? Sounds a lot like the type of cherry picking climate change deniers do, why not expand it to another randomly picked date like, well, oh, how about august 2001?
fin25There's no substance to it. Unless you can tell me percentages then I feel like it's just another way to say Trump is a nazi Russian Patsy
See what I did there?
No, there was an actual vote to decide who got into the whitehouse. Meaning if you know the number of nazis, you can quantify the extent to which they influenced the election.
There's another thread to discuss Trump's ties with Russia.
seosamh77so, you have no idea what you are talking about?
I was being sarcastic. Shoot me.
I'm not saying that Nazis strongly influenced the election, but Trump is definitely their guy, there's plenty of evidence of that, from direct quotes to statements on their own filthy websites. Also note Trump's difficulties saying that Nazis are bad, which went down a storm with, you guessed it, Nazis.
ninfan - Member
I'm interested though ninfan. Do you agree with the President's statement
yesI think I've been very clear that the issue is freedom of speech, freedom of belief, and freedom of protest, ought to be absolute
It's not really absolute though, hence why there's incitement to hatred laws for example, there's plenty of restriction on what people can say or protest about.
Absolute freedom of speech is a myth.
I can't find any consistent information. It looks like there's about 3000 - 10,000 KKK members in the US. There doesn't seem to be any info as to how many members the American Nazi Party has.
jimjam - MemberI was being sarcastic. Shoot me.
Yer alright, I'm fine with establishing your bullshit! 😆
I'm not saying that The IRA strongly influenced the election, but Corbyn is definitely their guy, there's plenty of evidence of that, from direct quotes to statements on their own filthy websites. Also note Corbyns difficulties saying that The IRA are bad, which went down a storm with, you guessed it, The IRA
Odd what happens when you point to someone's supporters as proof of their beliefs and affiliations, isn't it?
