Yes, but even he has the media savvy to realise that slating Nazis is a slam dunk.
Perhaps it is meant to be read in a really excited voice? 😆
some of the other images from that article showing those nice peaceful white supremacists and nazis:
isnt it terrible that lawful, peaceful marchers (with a court order confirming their right to hold the protest) should feel that they need to go armed in order to protect themselves from violent anti-fascists who had threatened to punch them in the face?
isnt it terrible that lawful, peaceful marchers (with a court order confirming their right to hold the protest) should feel that they need to go armed in order to protect themselves from violent anti-fascists who had threatened to punch them in the face?
Do you not understand the context of slavery, lynching, institutionalsed racism, police shooting of huge numbers of blacks and numerous other injustices that fall on US minorities?
isnt it terrible that lawful, peaceful marchers (with a court order confirming their right to hold the protest) should feel that they need to go armed in order to protect themselves from violent anti-fascists who had threatened to punch them in the face?
It might be if that were actually the case.
isnt it terrible that lawful, peaceful marchers (with a court order confirming their right to hold the protest) should feel that they need to go armed in order to protect themselves from violent anti-fascists who had threatened to punch them in the face?
Those poor delicate Nazis.
Lol this is just a chicken and egg scenario isn't it. Got proof that the right went armed in response to the left?
However, it's not like the far right have a history going to demonstrations armed - is it?
You're a Nazi ninfan who is obsessed with painting your enemy "the left" in a bad light at any cost.
isnt it terrible that lawful, peaceful marchers
Those lawful peaceful marchers beating that black kid (De’Andre Harris) on the ground with poles?
why is jimjam posting images of the black block at an anti g8 march in 2007 ?
Because...... erm ?
Nope. I've got nothing.
Fake news?
Do you not understand the context of slavery, lynching, institutionalsed racism, police shooting of huge numbers of blacks and numerous other injustices that fall on US minorities?
Right, so that makes it OK to punch people in the face does it?
Does it make it okay to run people over with cars?
😆
Does it make it okay to run people over with cars?
No, But then unlike you I'm happy to condem the use of violence on many sides remember... on many sides
Can you verify this yet Ninfan ?
So, stories coming out now that his car had been surrounded by antifa protesters attacking him and he was trying to get away. Unverified but seems like a realistic scenario.
And what makes you think I am not?
I've made a point of saying several times that [i]both[/i] sides were armed.
I'm happy to condem the use of violence on many sides remember... on many sides
You are Trumps speech writer and i claim my £5 finders fee.
Do you not understand the context of [b]slavery, lynching, institutionalsed racism, police shooting of huge numbers of blacks[/b] and numerous other injustices that fall on US minorities?
Right, so that makes it OK to punch people in the face does it?
No. Quite right. A punch does seem a little bit harsh compared to that really 🙄
Ffs. You couldn't make this shit up.
No, But then unlike you I'm happy to condem the use of violence on many sides remember... on many sides
Right. Because being a nazi and being a civil rights activist are more or less equivalent.
lawful, peaceful marchers (with a court order confirming their right to hold the protest)
Making Nazi salutes seems like a deliberately threatening and confrontational act. Why would peaceful marchers do that? Is it to protect themselves?
Can I be the first to admit that I would happily punch a Nazi. If that upsets ninfan's sensibilities, well, I guess that's just something I'll have to learn to live with.
Seriously, what's wrong with punching Nazis in the face?
They're ****ing Nazis!
They want to exterminate everyone that isn't a Nazi!
And some of you think that punching them in the face is a bit over the top?
I think it's the least you should do.
Personally I wouldn't.
I can understand why some might want to, but meeting violent protest with violent protest is unlikely to solve anything.
I know one thing, I might have Inglorious Basterds on in the background tonight while I'm typing up reports.
If I can shoot rabbits, then I can shoot fascists.
(Well you ain't ever shot a fascist and you ain't no friend of mine)
I [i]have[/i] punched nazis in the face, I hope not to be called on to do it again, I'm getting on a bit. I've never punched a rabbit though, it never really felt like the right moment
I've just caught up with this thread. two things:
RIP to Bernard Kenny, the pensioner who fought the man who murdered Jo Cox, and was himself stabbed. According to the BBC he died peacefully today.
Can I just say, thank you for this info. I'd no idea he'd died. What a shame.
Muslims, Christians, Hindu's, Communists and Mongol Hordes have all done much the sameI "perceive" Nazis to be "inherently bad" on account of the killing 6 million Jews thang. But hey, that's just me - judgemental.
Speaking as a militant atheist,
**** me gently with a chainsaw, are you seriously conflating those two situations as being equivalent? Have a word with yourself.
As for the freedom of speech thing,
As much as it pains me to say it, I broadly agree with ninfan; you either censor nothing, or you censor everything.
But.
There comes a limit where lines do have to be drawn. In the UK it's illegal to promote hate speech such as inciting racial hatred, for instance. Quelling someone from drumming up support for a war trumps any right to freedom of speech. Expressing unpopular or contentious opinions is fine, attempting to recruit a bunch of like-minded souls to kill all the ****s less so.
True but they tend to not respond to well crafted intellectual ripostes of their racist ideology.meeting violent protest with violent protest is unlikely to solve anything.
Sometimes , unfortunately, it is necessary to behave in such a manner to prevent the rise of such forces. ITs never a good thing but it may be a necessary thing.
I do find it amusing that those who wish to curtail human rights on racial grounds are all for human rights when someone wishes to curtail theirs.
If they wish to preserve all human rights then I will respect theirs. Tolerant of all but the intolerant essentially.
I don't think the state should censor anything or anybody. Freedom of speech should be a given, for everyone. However, I see nothing wrong with vigorously challenging extremism, be it on the streets or Twitter. Amy public assembly of Nazis should be met with an army to show them what we think of their views.
And I definitely don't think it should be a crime to punch a Nazi in the face.
In my world, you are free to be a Nazi, if that's what you want to be, but I am free to call you a **** and punch you in the face, because that is the consequence of being a Nazi.
you either censor nothing, or you censor everything.
This place is moderated for very good reasons. Its a balance and at times a difficult one , whether on here or in real life.
Whilst I broadly agree with you i prefer to thing we all have line the only issue is where we place the line, fascism, ISIS propaganda or recruitment websites, Child pornography. Everyone has a line somewhere where they wish to curtail free speech. Its not at all if we censor one thing we have censored everything its not if we prevent stop ISIS we have become China.
Tolerant of all but the intolerant essentially.
Nah. Same answer as not torturing terrorists: what's the point of Human Rights if you only apply them when it is easy, to the good guys?
If there is not freedom of speech for all there is not freedom of speech. Some of the counter protesters were violent and should have been arrested.
There is a difference of degree though, one of the march organisers stated on video that his group was not non violent. He went to the demo with a rifle , 2 hand guns and a knife.
In my (very) humble opinion, the hatred expressed by some cops and the far-right towards coloured people is a manifestation of their inherent insecurity as regards their next incarnation.*
We all possess varying levels of pre-cognition and to me, these right wingers can sense on some level that, unless they decide to incarnate on another planet, then statistically they'll be more likely to incarnate in a non-white body, next time round.
Not as a punishment, but just to deepen their awareness, as were all drawn towards increasingly more demanding lives, even if this stimulates fear in our human bodies as we steel ourselves for the next 'step-down'.
Likewise, our aristocracy clings in the most febrile manner to 'their' estates as they know that they'll have to reincarnate in less glamorous lodgings someday. (Party's over!!!)
*or maybe they merely fear the c@ck
Agree it's all about insecurity, not the reincarnation, mind.
Did trump just say there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville ... Nazis are good people ?? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-charlottesville-latest/index.html
He's back to being Hitler again. !
Right, so that makes it OK to punch people in the face does it?
If a nazi was near me and he was suggesting lynching or slavery were appropriate then yes a swift smack in the mouth seems proportional to me.
As much as it pains me to say it, I broadly agree with ninfan; you either censor nothing, or you censor everything.
This idea got a lot of attention after Charlie Hebdo along with a lot of tosh about freedom of speech. There is no such thing as freedom of speech or the notion of censoring nothing or everything. We have legal, informal and cultural limitations on both for obvious reasons. We live with considerable restrictions on what we can and can't say and as we see here and in all areas of life there is unlikely to complete consistently of applications - what some deem worthy of censorship or freedom is very different from others. Again look ^
Odd that we seem to live in a parallel universe where this is forgotten. Do we just feel better for pretending that FoS exists or do we actually believe it?
Did trump just say there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville ... Nazis are good people ??
No, he specifically said excluded Nazis and white supremacists from that, saying they should be condemned... but I suppose you didn't bother actually watching and listening to that bit did you?
ff a nazi was near me and he was suggesting lynching or slavery were appropriate then yes a swift smack in the mouth seems proportional to me.
Funny that, because if you were near me and suggesting punching me in the face was appropriate then I'd run you over with my car to get away from you
Punching people isn't the solution. That's just vigilantism, and when people start taking the law into their own hands things don't end well. It also helps the alt right paint themselves (incorrectly) as martyrs.
There's no reason you can't deal with these people legally. Germany has well established laws which ban National Socialist organisations and prohibit Nazi salutes and the use of Nazi symbolism. Anyone behaving like the Charlottesville clowns in Germany would get the book thrown at them.
There's no reason you can't deal with these people legally. Germany has well established laws which ban National Socialist
Given that this did not occur in Germany what should the residents of Charlottesville have done?
Given that this did not occur in Germany what should the residents of Charlottesville have done?
Tolerate other people's lawful expression of free speech?
Funny that, because if you were near me and suggesting punching me in the face was appropriate then I'd run you over with my car to get away from you
Welll at least you're not threatening to sexually assault his mother.
Yet.
suggesting punching me in the face was appropriate then I'd run you over with my car.
You are just [i]so[/i] classy you my hero.
Seriously, are you ****ed in the head? Is there [i]no[/i] depth you wont stoop to in pursuit of whatever gets you a rise?
I'm definitely out.
No, he specifically said excluded Nazis and white supremacists from that
So non white supremacist & Nazis turn up to a rally run for & by white supremacist & Nazis!?
That'd be the same (not) Nazis complaining about pictures of them at said rally going viral then.
He's just pandering to his far right core, but we all knew that
Ah, right Metalheart, so it's OK to delibaretly punch people in the face cause you don't like them, but not ok to run them over on the same basis?
lefties do have [b]some[/b] standards after all then.
?in all areas of life there is unlikely to complete consistently of application
I suggest unlikely to be complete consistency of application might fit
But ...Get thee to Specsavers thm
