Forum menu
Couldn’t give a toss about him or any of our murderous,tax avoiding,snobby ruling class.They are the epitome of everything that’s awful about this country.
Tax avoiding and snobby, yes. Murderous and ruling? You're a hundred years or more out of date.
The royals, for all their many faults, are not responsible for the state this country is in or the deaths resulting from it. Get rid of the people who are first, then we can sort out the royals.
They provide a useful smokescreen for the real tax avoiding grifters ****ing the rest of us.
Couldn’t give a toss about him or any of our murderous,tax avoiding,snobby ruling class.They are the epitome of everything that’s awful about this country.
For a long time I've thought it was the bile, hatred and lack of humanity spouted by individuals and institutions. Really. It irks me to see comments like this on this website, feels like decades ago, not a couple of years since we were talking about how great it was to be nice to everyone.
It's not just the right that promotes divisiveness and hatred.
Ms Morrissette will require a new line about waiting 70 years to do the job.
From a human point of view no one deserves cancer and I hope he makes a recovery.
Paraphrasing what I've said in previous threads, I'm instinctively anti-monarchy as an institution but struggle to summon up any direct antipathy towards Charles himself, unlike some other members of his family he just seems like a fairly decent old boy.
Hope he pulls through O.K.
Couldn’t give a toss about him or any of our murderous,tax avoiding,snobby ruling class.They are the epitome of everything that’s awful about this country.
I’d put lack of empathy to humans above any of those claims is a problem of some in this country.
he seems a solidly decent chap, and cancer sucks, for the individual, and those around them, regardless of 'badge'.
I love the way he comes across in normal life :
hope he pulls through.
Came here to see if the usual suspects were gleefully lining up to be sociopathic c**ts about an old bloke with a family who has been diagnosed with a life-threatening illness. Was mostly unsurprised.
Wanting to abolish the monarchy is one thing, getting your rocks off because one of them has cancer says more about you than them I'm afraid. I have no love for royalty but I'd rather have that than people who take joy from others having potentially fatal illnesses.
He’ll have the instant appointment that members of the public will never get, and while we can all agree cancer is bad, it is much worse when you need to go through an underfunded nhs in the hope you get an appointment and treatment before the disease has caused irreparable damage.
I think I agree. I know plenty of other people too who have taken the kind step and had their cancer treatment privately which eases up the pressure on the NHS. One of my mates Dads is still alive as he received private chemo regime not available on the NHS. He wasnt a member of the royal family so I guess we cant slag him off, he was just lucky his company had private health.
What we need as I am sure you will agree is for us all to pay more in taxes to prop up the failing NHS.
Depending on the type of cancer, and its severity, at some point he may well need to access NHS services. I imagine he possibly will jump the que at that point, but whether you agree with it or not he is part of the hierarchy of how this country runs. We maybe should stop treating people from over seas too who have come from conflict areas and receive immediate care in our hospitals jumping all queues.
Couldn’t give a toss about him or any of our murderous,tax avoiding,snobby ruling class.They are the epitome of everything that’s awful about this country.
If you think this country is that bad, why dont you go and live some where like Iran or Iraq, or Palestine or maybe Russia is more to your political thinking comrade ?
Personally I think good on him for making it public. Yes even the King has now had a doctor stick a finger up his arse.
I’m pleased to see Sunak has recognised the importance of early diagnosis and will trust he will ensure the same for everyone.
He’ll have the instant appointment that members of the public will never get, and while we can all agree cancer is bad, it is much worse when you need to go through an underfunded nhs
Not really true though is it?
Some people spend money on expensive meals, overpriced bikes, sky TV, etc while others choose to pay for private health care or work for a company that offers it (my 23yo daughter for example) - it's 'open' to anyone allowing them to get a pretty much instant appointment with an oncologist with no 'need' for the NHS.
A good friend of mine is an oncology consultant and she sometimes regrets* her career choice as there's very little money in private oncology as the NHS cancer service is so good.
* Not really, she loves it.
We maybe should stop treating people from over seas too who have come from conflict areas and receive immediate care in our hospitals jumping all queues.
There's a lot to unpick here, isn't there.
he was just lucky his company had private health.<br /><br />
and that they were prepared to fund it. Having worked in private healthcare the costs are extortionate especially the drugs as they are rightly bought on the open market and not at the nhs rates
Like the Royal Family for instance.
Wrong - the Queen and the King both paid/pay income tax, VAT, etc unlike a huge number of other people.
We maybe should stop treating people from over seas too who have come from conflict areas and receive immediate care in our hospitals jumping all queues.
Except they don’t.
Having sat in a dimly lit room in the London clinic (same hospital treating Charles) and watched my kid brother slip away as a result of bowel cancer i wouldn't wish it on anyone.
I'm no massive royalist but i hope the old boy pulls through and has a few more years with his grandkids.
I just find it odd that they announce 'treatment for cancer' as if it's a single disease. There's hundreds of types of cancer and thousands of pathways of treatment, so a vague announcement of just 'cancer' is unhelpful, but guess it's a case of saying the bare minimum to account for lack of public visibility.
As for treatment. It's not simply about private/ queue jumping/ preferential treatment.
I saw my GP with a dodgy stomach and some odd symptoms, was in a scanner the next day and at a special consultant within days. Which is the norm around here it seems (S.Oxfordshire), so it really is a postcode lottery
Except they don’t.
I can assure you they do. I not necessarily countries that we have decided to drop a few bombs on.
Well, that was certainly some words.
We maybe should stop treating people from over seas too who have come from conflict areas and receive immediate care in our hospitals jumping all queues.
That's the UK for you, always welcoming refugees from warzones with open arms. If they can find a boat to carry them across the Channel.
Migrants face annual £1,000 NHS healthcare surcharge as bill rises 66%
I always wonder the cause as it is still unclear where it originates from
@chewk are you genuinely asking what causes cancer? It’s damage to our DNA that then causes cells to replicate uncontrollably. Our DNA is constantly being replicated and every-time that happens there’s an opportunity for errors to happen, which if you are unlucky can be the right errors to cause cancer, either now or in the future. Sometimes you are born with that DNA already there and it just needs switched on by some external influence. Sometimes luck, environmental factors, our own bodies etc do the damage for us. It sometimes seems like there’s more cancer around than there used to be - in reality we’ve got better at treating the other things that kill us so it’s more likely you live long enough to get cancer.
and that they were prepared to fund it. Having worked in private healthcare the costs are extortionate especially the drugs as they are rightly bought on the open market and not at the nhs rates
mmm… private hospitals are able to recoup VAT on drug purchases which the NHS cannot. Whilst vat for the NHS is circular back into government funds it’s ironic that it costs an NHS hospital more to buy drugs than private because of this. Then there’s nhs procurement which definitely does not always do the best job of negotiating the best price. The reality is highly specialised cancer drugs are really expensive because relatively few people will ever receive that drug, it cost loads to develop and it may be life or death. If you are the patient (or their family) getting £40K of drugs and other treatment to add 6-12 months to your life seems a reasonable request. If you are sitting in a&e you might think the money would be better spent elsewhere. If you are in health education you might think that would stop a lot of costs in 10-20 years time…. No easy answers without infinite funds!
It sometimes seems like there’s more cancer around than there used to be – in reality we’ve got better at treating the other things that kill us so it’s more likely you live long enough to get cancer.
I suspect that there's a correlation between recorded incidences and an ability to detect it also. If we're better at spotting it then ipso facto we're going to see more cases.
We maybe should stop treating people from over seas
Most of the people that have treated me in hospital over the last 1 1/2 years have been from overseas. Is that what your mean?
We maybe should stop treating people from over seas<br />Most of the people that have treated me in hospital over the last 1 1/2 years have been from overseas. Is that what your mean
I assumed that this remark was just a humorous barbed comment at the royal family being a bunch of German / Greek immigrants and getting prioritised, the stuff of daily fail nightmares , rather than any deep racist trope.
A casual look at enquiries coming in this morning and I can see some from men asking about the symptoms of enlarged prostrates. Now, it's pretty much standard for 'blokes of a certain age' to eventually get around to sending in that enquiry so I'm not making any claims that news about Charlie has had an effect. But, if Charlie (and people like him) can be public about their diagnosis and treatment, then maybe it will encourage some guys to send that enquiry sooner rather than later, and maybe for them it'll not be cancer, but one of the pre-cancerous states, or benign prostatic hyperplasia, and they'll be treated before it comes to things like radiotherapy, or before, god forbid, radiotherapy is no longer going to be effective and they're looking at more severe treatments.
20 years ago, this would've been a state secret, that its public now is progress, and I think that's a good thing.
I assumed that this remark was just a humorous barbed comment at the royal family being a bunch of German / Greek immigrants
From "conflict areas"?
From “conflict areas”?
Phil the Greek fled a post-war military coup iirc. Seems like a conflict area to me.
Ah. Very cryptic!
Btw Philip married Mrs Windsor 20 years before the Greek coup.
I can assure you they do<br /><br />
You can’t assure me at all as they don’t jump the queues. Do we treat them? Yes as most of us aren’t a bunch of ****s who have an issue with foreign folk.
Drac - you are making a lot of assumptions there.
It happens fairly regularly maybe you just in your line of work dont see it.
People been brought in to the UK at request of the government, operated on and then they return to their county (not refugees, not asylum seekers). Yes needy people, but are they more needy than the next person who has been waiting on a list for months and been paying uk taxes?.
My point is its not only the super rich that get to jump the list
Btw Philip married Mrs Windsor 20 years before the Greek coup.
Right bloke, wrong coup;
“ Born sixth in line to the Greek throne on June 10, 1921, Philip — then known as Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark — was forced to flee his homeland at the age of 18 months following a military uprising against his uncle, King Constantine”
I assumed that this remark was just a humorous barbed comment at the royal family being a bunch of German / Greek immigrants and getting prioritised, the stuff of daily fail nightmares , rather than any deep racist trope.
I inferred quite the opposite.
Tricksy thing, text-based communication. Maybe the poster would care to clarify?
It happens fairly regularly maybe you just in your line of work dont see it.
People been brought in to the UK at request of the government, operated on and then they return to their county
Cross-posting, sorry.
Would you mind showing your working here?
Daily Mail said so.
People been brought in to the UK at request of the government, operated on and then they return to their county
Oh mean the very tiny few where the UK shows some humanity to treat them? Those ones yeah?
No, they don’t jump the queue either.
I suspect that there’s a correlation between recorded incidences and an ability to detect it also.
And what is, I think, the biggest factor, we are living longer.
When I started work in 81, it was a regular occurence for people who retired at 65, to die within 1 or 2 years of retiring. Most people now, expect to live to 70+, and, the vast majority do. Most cancers occur in older age, so as the population get a better life, the chances of cancer equally go up.
I inferred quite the opposite.
Actually having re-read the post I’m now coming to your p.o.v that it’s just a prick racist comment rather than any biting satire.
.
"maybe Russia is more to your political thinking comrade ?"
Hi, and welcome to 2024. You may notice a few changes around the place since you fell asleep....
BBC breaking news : Helicopter lands at Sandringham
For ****s sake, this is ****ing joke.
BBC breaking news : Helicopter lands at Sandringham
For * sake, this is * joke.
On the upside, if he carks it tomorrow then Charlie 50p coins are going to be worth a mint.
Dafuq is wrong with you?
I’m surprised we haven’t had the royal stool inspector wheeled out on the BBC to pick through the latest deposit live on air………Look!……..sweetcorn.
Nicholas busy today?