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This is clearly illegal. I cannot believe this is being discussed on here in such an open way and that this forum is acting as a market place for this activity.
Keep the CDs if you want the music, or delete the files if you want to move the on.
This is clearly illegal. I cannot believe this is being discussed on here in such an open way and that this forum is acting as a market place for this activity.
Only some of what people are doing above is unlawful. Selling and buying CDs is fine, so that's hardly an issue.
The only question is the retention of ripped files once the CDs are sold. That's for the sellers to concern themselves with, and not the issue of the buyers or the forum owners (since the transactions happening via the forum are lawful).
The only question is the retention of ripped files once the CDs are sold. That's for the sellers to concern themselves with, and not the issue of the buyers or the forum owners (since the transactions happening via the forum are lawful).
Yes, which is why I said if you want to sell them on then you should delete the rip of them.
He clearly stated he was selling the CDs because he had ripped the files and this is illegal. The retention of the files and the fact that he's selling the cds because he has a copy.
Keep seeing this word
illegal
Source?
[quote=CountZero ]Like anyone gives a rats ass about people ripping the CD's that they've bought, thus paying the artist's the royalties due to them, then selling the CD's on, which is not, and never has been illegal.
Ripping is fine IMHO - as you point out you've already paid for the IP. Selling CDs on is also fine (and unlike ripping is legal). However ripping and then selling on the CD isn't fine, because you are then depriving the artist of royalties. As I pointed out before, one of the significant reasons why the law isn't relaxed to allow ripping of CDs that you own is the prevalence of people then selling on the CDs.
Maybe this will help you understand the question better:
[url= https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/illegal ]Illegal[/url]
Anyway, I will be deleting copies of any material I am holding incorrectly.
Someone to throw them and:
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Some of the collection
Please don't judge 😯
Amelia Jane Collection
Andrea Bocelli - Amore
Andrea Bocelli - Concerto: One Night In
Andrea Bocelli - Opera
Barbra Streisand - Back to Broadway
Barbra Streisand - The Essential Barbra St
Barry Gibb - Guilty Too
Bee Gees - Still Waters
Best Friends
Black Eyed Peas - Monkey Business
Blue - All Rise
Blue - One Love
Bon Jovi - Keep the Faith
Bruce Hornsby - Harbor Lights
Bryan Adams - Anthology
Bryan Adams - Waking Up The Neighbours
C & C Music Factory - Gonna Make You Sweat
Carrack, Paul - Blue Views
Cher - Love Hurts
Chicago - The Ultimate Collection
Clannad - Anam (1990)
Clannad - Legend
Clannad - Sirius
Crowded House - Recurring Dream: the Ver
Darren Hayes - Spin
David "Fathead" Newman - Anastasia
Del Amitri - The Best Of Del Amitri: Hat
Donny Osmond - From Donny...With Love
Donny Osmond - Somewhere In Time
Duran Duran - Duran Duran (The Wedding)
Elton John - Love Songs
Elvis Presley - Christmas Hits: 50 Festive songs
Evanescence - The Open Door
Fatboy Slim - Youve Come A Long Way, Baby
Gary Moore - Ballads & Blues 1982-1994
George Michael - Older
George Michael - Twenty Five
Hannah Montana - Hannah Montana Original
Heart - Brigade
Houghton, Steven - Steven Houghton
Il Divo - Ancora
Il Divo - Siempre
Il Divo - Wicked Game
Inxs - Greatest Hits
James and the Giant Peach
James Brown - Sex Machine - The Very Bes
Janet Jackson - Design Of A Decade 1986/
Jedward - Planet Jedward
Jedward - Victory
Jimmy Nail - Big River
Jimmy Nail - Growing Up in Public
Joe Mcelderry - Classic
John Lee Hooker - Healer
Josh Groban - Awake
Jovi, Bon - These Days
Justin Timberlake - Future Sex / Love So
Kennedy, Brian - A Better Man
Manilow, Barry - Ultimate Live
Marx, Richard - Repeat Offender
Mary Archer - Christmas Carol - Mary Arc
Maverick Sabre - Lonely are the Brave
Michael Bolton - Soul Provider
Michael Buble - Christmas [Special Editi
Michael Buble - Crazy Love
Michael Jackson - Dangerous
Mika - Life in Cartoon Motion
Mike & The Mechanics - Word Of Mouth
Mike & The Mechanics - Word Of Mouth
Oasis - (Whats The Story) Morning Glory?
Oasis - Be Here Now
Oasis - Stop the Clocks
Oleta Adams - Circle Of One
P!nk - Funhouse
P!nk - P!nk Box
Paul Carrack - A Different Hat
Poison - Open Up and Say... Ahh!
Prince & the New Power Generation - Diam
Richard Marx - Rush Street
Robbie Williams - Life Thru A Lens (UK Re
Roxette - Tourism
Roxettet - Look Sharp!
Russell Watson - The Ultimate Collection
Ryan Dan - RyanDan
S Club Juniors - Together
Savage Garden - Affirmation
Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters
Silver Sword
Simply Red - Life
Snap - The Madmans Return (3rd Edition)
Stereophonics - Performance And Cocktails
Take That - Beautiful World
Take That - Everything Changes
Take That - Nobody Else
Take That - Take That and Party
Technotronic - Body to body (1991)
The Corrs - Talk On Corners
The Goo Goo Dolls - Dizzy Up The Girl
The Verve - Urban Hymns
Thunder - Laughing On Judgement Day
Tom Jones - 24 Hours
Tom Jones - Duets
Tom Jones - Kiss
Tom Jones - Mr Jones
Tom Jones - Reload - Tom Jones - Duets
Travis - The Man Who
Various - 100% Acid Jazz
Various - Best Rave Anthems Ever
Various - Chilled R&B - Smooth Classics
Various - Now Dance 97
Various - Sisters of Swing
Various - The Best Of James Bond: 30th Anniversary
Various - The Very Best Of Disney
Various Artists - Floorfillers Classics
Various Artists - Now Thats What I Call music
Various Artists - Now Thats What I Call Music
Various Artists - Pop Party 3
Various Artists - Sisters of Swing Vol.2
Various Artists - Tapestry Revisited
Various Artists - The Twilight Saga: New Moon
Various - Ultimate Disney Princess
Please don't judge
Wow, that is some collection. Surely the Jedward will be collectors items one day?!
However ripping and then selling on the CD isn't fine, because you are then depriving the artist of royalties.
This is a murky one in my opinion. What if you're giving it away or selling it for peanuts to somebody who wouldn't buy it normally. You've deprived nobody as there wouldn't have been a sale.
I sold all my CD's and have them all ripped. I've also received free digital download with vinyl. Now I've sold or given away the vinyl do you seriously think I'm going to delete the digital version? Same thing with digital versions of movies that come with blu-ray.
Rich_s - Member
Maybe this will help you understand the question better:
Illegal
In UK law there's no distinction between making private copies and piracy and it's considered a potential criminal offence. Not to mention it is an infringement of copyright under copyright law.
Breach of the law.
The act of doing it may be considered criminal, or overlooked but then left down to the copyright holder to defend their IP in a civil case.
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2015/2041.html
"The Court hereby declares that the making of private copies of musical and other copyright works without consent, in the circumstances purportedly authorised by the Regulations, constitutes and has continued since 1 October 2014 to constitute an infringement of copyright".
And goes on to reference the word illegal. Argue that if you like with the lawyers and justices referenced in that case.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/intellectual_property_crime/#a02
All said, it's been long known that there's virtually no prosecution, if any at all to making private copies. Making copies and selling on the original is another matter though again prosecutions are probably nil except those who've bought CDs, ripped them and then go share or sell the MP3s.
Surely the Jedward will be collectors items one day?!
the daughter, I did say please don't judge.
and are we all really getting uptight at the fact that most of these on music magpie are worth all of 20p!!!!
looking at that list i do not see myself and vortexracing in competition with each other for sales.....
Awful list just awful 😉
I'll take the oasis and verve albums if you're willing to post em. Mail in profile 🙂
[quote=funkmasterp ]Now I've sold or given away the vinyl do you seriously think I'm going to delete the digital version?
No, I don't expect you are 🙄
How about this for morals? - You buy a CD on Amazon that you're going to give as a gift, don't tick the gift box and they send you the free digital download version also, which you keep a copy of 😀
Then, deadkenny, you will burn in hell for eternity with me. At least you'll have somebody to talk bikes with 🙂
Right, I'm off to search through my hard drives to try and remember which albums I bought as digital from Bandcamp and other sources and which I need to delete in order to appease the Gods. Can I keep copies of the ones I gave to charity?
All said, it's been long known that there's virtually no prosecution, if any at all to making private copies. Making copies and selling on the original is another matter though again prosecutions are probably nil except those who've bought CDs, ripped them and then go share or sell the MP3s
Exactly. Yes, the law exists, but is essentially unenforceable, the only time anyone is likely to get busted is if they're file-sharing illegally over torrent sites.
his is clearly illegal. I cannot believe this is being discussed on here in such an open way and that this forum is acting as a market place for this activity.Keep the CDs if you want the music, or delete the files if you want to move the on.
Yes, which is why I said if you want to sell them on then you should delete the rip of them.He clearly stated he was selling the CDs because he had ripped the files and this is illegal. The retention of the files and the fact that he's selling the cds because he has a copy.
Since when has it been your business what people do with their CD's, ripped files, etc?
It's nothing to do with you, and you come across as a finger-wagging busybody, lecturing people on what, in essence, nobody really cares about, despite there being laws against it on the statute books. 🙄
I've got 200Gb of music on my computer, and hundreds of CD's, and there are a lot that don't match up, if I got rid of all of my CD's, I'd still keep the files, because there are many I've downloaded as well as ripped ones.
And it's not for you to lecture me on the rights and wrongs, so, with respect, butt out!
I've got 200Gb of music on my computer, and hundreds of CD's, and there are a lot that don't match up, if I got rid of all of my CD's, I'd still keep the files, because there are many I've downloaded as well as ripped ones.
And it's not for you to lecture me on the rights and wrongs, so, with respect, butt out!
Ooh! That's three of us doomed now. Look at us with our loose morals and blatant disregard for the law. It's like the wild west in here 😀
Edit - and the OP too
[quote=CountZero ]Since when has it been your business what people do with their CD's, ripped files, etc?
I presume it's also none of anybody else's business if you go out shoplifting or nicking other people's bikes?
who gives a damn if he rips it then sells the cd on? i couldn't give a rats ass what happens. as for artists losing their royalties , yes if there only up and coming but i don't think ed sheeran or taylor swift are going to miss a few mill here or there. they already have more than enough than they need in one lifetime.
Room for another one down below?