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do people consider that calling the takeaway a Chinky has an inference on the people
It allows me to make an inference on the person who said it and it is unlikely to be a positive one
If I was describing a Chinese looking person I refer to them as oriental.Is that safe?
I cannot believe how many folk sturggle with this
I thought equality and diversity training was a joke and pointless till i read some of the shit asked and said on here.
Wonder how the irish fella feels each time he's called paddy on the site I was working at. Is Paddy an offensive name for someone from the emerald isle?
hora - Member
You dont OWN a Chinese wife. Her Mum OWNS your ass
QFT
Schbeemb.
Imagine you are born in here. Called names and poked fun at all your life because of your skin colour. The majority call you inferior, monkey you name it. How would you feel? Sick of it?
If you don't believe me, go to a corner in downtown Baltimore and call a black man a ****. See what happens...
Evidently it's o.k. If you preface that with 'Yo! Wassup ma..'.
I'm frankly surprised by the attitude of the STW Chinese community. Just as well I prefer a pizza, kebab or tapas.
However, the Broadcasting Standards Commission held in 2002, after a complaint about the BBC One programme The Vicar of Dibley, that when used as the name of a type of restaurant or meal, rather than as an adjective applied to a person or group of people, the word carries no racist connotation
that was a decade ago, and you were being selective with your quote too
do the casual racists on this thread actually read the other posts, especially the ones from the people who are offended and why ??
Edukator-- you need to do a bit 😉
[quote=rudebwoy ]do the casual racists on this thread actually read the other posts, especially the ones from the people who are offended and why ??
The "casual racists" probably don't see themselves as that, so you can't expect them to answer.
Pole is IME an acceptable shortening of Polish. Unfortunately it's often incorporated into the sentence "****ing Poles coming over here and taking our jobs" Oddly though I've not needed to shorten the word Polish, despite being from Essex where 25% of the alphabet goes unnoticed.
Is Paddy an offensive name for someone from the emerald isle?
I dunno, what do you think bloodynora? Have you asked him? Although, judging from your normal bile, you'd use altogether different language to describe Irish people.
Feel free not to reply as usual.
Mr Junkyard what is the correct term for someone of Chinese appearance?
Im not picking a fight would just like to know.
****
****stan you see whats happened there?
Yes, except i'ts really not the same as shortening British to Brit or Polish to Pole when its had 50 years of being used perjoratively, turning a term for a national identity into an insult. I don't actually believe that anyone with half an education in 2012 thinks otherwise.
I'm a white, average build, British male and you can call me anything, as I'm from the dominant majority and cannot empathise oppression, bullying, hostility and rejection that would come with being overweight, black, or female. The world has hopefully moved on a bit in its attitudes in the last half century.
FTFY.
I don't think the term 'chinky'(to describe a restaurant rather than a person) is particularly racist. I've grown up with the term in Scotland, i've never heard it being used in a derogatory fashion, so it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if someone used the term. I would however raise my eyebrows if someone described an individual as a 'chink', as I find that has negative connotations, which I do find offensive.
It could be argued that a word/term/comment is only offensive if the audience is offended by it?
just my tuppence worth on this miserable Wednesday evening
Mr Junkyard what is the correct term for someone of Chinese appearance?
Appearances can be deceiving. I would say "Chinese" or if you're not sure and were describing a person from the Far East whose origin you were not sure of, you could just say "oriental".
Of course, you could just talk about a person without mentioning his or her nationality, colour, race...y'know, just like he or she is a normal human being.
Heres one to confuse you but was a rapidly delivered quip...
Me a Chinese and a Indian girl was about to walk into a Scottish pub. Aman smoking at the door said 'we dont want your sort here'.
One of the girls shotback 'speak English I cant understand you'.
I almost fell over laughing at the situation.
He didnt walk into the pub. Or if he did it was sheepishly.
I say 'we'. We dont get it because we are white and dont experience any eracism. 'They' do.
Not entirely true; years ago an acquaintance was going out with an Indian girl, lovely lass, everyone liked her, and they were very happy together.
Until it got really serious, and they broached the subject of their engagement, at which point it was made abundantly clear by her parents, who were pretty high up in the local Indian community, that the relationship ended there. It was fine for their daughter to have white friends, but marrying was unacceptable to them, and she would be shut out of the community.
There are plenty of other cultures who are just a racist as we white English are accused of being.
For the record, she defied her parents.
Back to the original subject, I went out with a beautiful half-Chinese girl years ago, and we went to the wedding of a couple of friends of ours. The wedding was in Weston-Super-Mare, and the reception in Portishead, her home town.
Anyway, I got onto the southbound carriageway of the M5 by mistake, so had to drive as fast as possible in my Moggy Minor to the next junction and turn around, arriving about thirty minutes late. As we walked in, more than a little flustered, another friend looked at us, and said, "what happened to you two then, stop off for a chinky?"
We neither of us really clocked what he said, and were just deadpan, at which point, realising what he'd just said, looking at my lovely, half-Chinese g/f, he carried on with, "or, or, a curry, or fish and chips or something?"
At that point everyone fell about at his obvious discomfort!
hora - MemberMe a Chinese and a Indian girl was about to walk into a Scottish pub. Aman smoking at the door said 'we dont want your sort here'.
That was me- I recognised you from on here!
yes it is offensive
my mates ex was chinese and she was genuinely hurt when another housemate said exactly the same thing
ignorance isnt an excuse
Look at all these racist people popping down the **** shop or chinky giving money to ****stani and chinese businesses.If they were really hardcore they'd be smashing the windows or daubing graffiti
We're on a slippery slope here.
If a certain section of the population are involved in criminal activity and are a "minority", the establishment are shit scared to name the minority because its really easy to hurl the "racist " word.
Just use it and walk away.Judge ,jury and executioner.
yer ole casual racists love playin the pedant game-- are you hoping to 'catch' someone out, or do you just enjoy the trolling ?
There are plenty of other cultures who are just a racist as we white English are accused of being.
Yup, but in Britain white people very rarely experience real racism - apart from the kind of bullshit imagined racism that Daily Mail readers go on about. Like how they 'banned christmas in Birmingham' - that kind of thing.
Racism doesn't have half as much effect if there is no power behind it either - it's nonsense to say 'oh well I don't mind being called a Brit'. Pretty obviously completely different as British people have by and large never endured any serious racism, and Brit has never been used as a term of abuse.
Heres one to confuse you but was a rapidly delivered quip...Me a Chinese and a Indian girl was about to walk into a Scottish pub. Aman smoking at the door said 'we dont want your sort here'.
One of the girls shotback 'speak English I cant understand you'.
I almost fell over laughing at the situation.
He didnt walk into the pub. Or if he did it was sheepishly.
Hora I would guess he was talking to you not her.
yer ole casual racists love playin the pedant game-- are you hoping to 'catch' someone out, or do you just enjoy the trolling ?
I think you're confusing causal with smart causal racists there.
As the epitome of middle class whiteness when rapping along to classic hip hop I wont say the N-word yet happily drop F's and C's all over the shop.
The chinese or some of them are quite happy to call westerners gweilo and it isnt always in a good way .
Brit also can be quite quite insulting
[quote=crankman ]
Hora I would guess he was talking to you not her.
That was my first thought too
When I worked in an inner city school in a town with a greater than 50% immigrant community and was the only white average build male in the classroom it was perfectly OK for the students to dream up all the anti-white insults they could and use them then, crashtestmonkey? Just as well I don't go around "filling people in", "chopping their fingers off" or "getting offended to the point of violence".
When I worked in an inner city school in a town with a greater than 50% immigrant community and was the only white average build male in the classroom it was perfectly OK for the students to dream up all the anti-white insults they could and use them then, crashtestmonkey.
The chinese or some of them are quite happy to call westerners gweilo and it isnt always in a good way .
Oh, other people are sometimes racist, so we should be too - good argument.
being a racist **** is not exclusively a white persons pastime. nothing makes any of it ok. personally you can choose to rise above it.
exclusively
No, just mostly.
Me a Chinese and a Indian girl was about to walk into a Scottish pub. Aman smoking at the door said 'we dont want your sort here'.
but...Isn't Aman an Indian himself?
boom boom
I'll get my coat....
There are plenty of other cultures who are just a racist as we white English are accused of being
And it is wrong whoever is doing it
I dont mind you using english instead of British in this case but I suspect you get the point I just made 😉
What DD said re correct term
Nowhere have I suggested using "chinky" or any other such word for a person is acceptable, Grum. I have not said anything that resembles "other people are sometimes racist, so we should be too" you are putting words in my mouth. Read back, check and apologise if you are man enough.
I had an Asian friend at 6th form who insisted on being called pakman....
When I worked in an inner city school in a town with a greater than 50% immigrant community and was the only white average build male in the classroom it was perfectly OK for the students to dream up all the anti-white insults they could and use them then, crashtestmonkey
I grew up in Bradford FYI. As you were discriminated towards by the
that makes you part of the wider majority, and reasonable to assume their behaviour was as much an opportunity for retaliation. Doesnt excuse it or make it any less 'racist', but you had the protection of the wider community outside that closed environment.immigrant community
I don't recall justifying threats of violence at any point, so I assume the last comment wasnt aimed at me.
Tbh, Edukator, any chance you might make a point? Instead of flouncing around all hurt like.
As my bestmate and ex once said 'you dont get it. You have white skin. You are accepted. Try being a different colour and youd experience it subtly every single day'.I say 'we'. We dont get it because we are white and dont experience any eracism. 'They' do.
[b]Makes you disgusted, the realisation[/b].
This ^^. Don't start being an expert on it until you've experienced it. Until then, do I said before, learn what is / isn't acceptable and abide by it.
Speaking as white/english married to a black/english woman and with 2 afro carribean/english mixed kids, I've seen anti-black racism from whites, anti-white racism by blacks, and (lets call it anti beige *angry smiley*) racism - All of which has been directed at any one or 4 of us, so me of it accidental, some of it deliberate. But I can tell you now that as someone who has lived amongst a black family for 12 years does not qualify me to "know what its like to be black", I'm on the fringes.
Thankfully, KJ01 lives and has grown up in an integrated society surround (at nursery) by kids of all colours and races, and watching them all socialise together would teach a few on here a lesson they shouldnt forget.
Nowhere have I suggested using "chinky" or any other such word for a person is acceptable, Grum.
Fair enough - seemed to be the implication of what you were saying. I suppose I can apologise if you really want. 🙂
I had an Asian friend at 6th form who insisted on being called pakman....
Awesome!
I would think life is a lot easier being a person of colour than being gay,tg, disabled or i dare say old.
I find this a very interesting thread. I must admit that I have probably usd the term 'chinky' to describe a Chinese takeaway in the past, although I wouldn't dream of referring to a person as a chink or for that matter, a ****. I despise racism and have been known to pull up friends (and my older inlaws!) for the **** shop thing, which by the by, I don't think was them actually 'being' racist per sé, but offensive nonetheless.
Whilst I strongly maintain that my use of the word chinky to describe a Chinese takeaway had absolutely no racist intent, I accept that it could be construed as offensive. I think I will quietly file it in the folder of 'words that I've grown out of'. I have no interest in getting all het up and defending the indefensible.
What a complicated world we live in.
I would think life is a lot easier being a person of colour than being gay,tg, disabled or i dare say old.
What about a blind, gay, black, disabled dwarf?
What a complicated world we live in.
It's not really that difficult is it?
My friend has recently got engaged to a lovely Chinese girl (BBC, I believe that's the slang term...British Born Chinese?). Her mother was really frosty with him for a long time until she realised that her daughter was in love with him and that it wasn't a passing phase.
Now he's the apple of her eye and is regularly treated to slap-up feasts and the sort of lavish hospitality usually found in Ferrero Rocher adverts!
Is she the Chinese Ambassador's daughter?
...and then you get those that weaken the postive argument ^^ Grum, by placing inane examples on web forums for arguments sake.
What about your dwarf? He/She'd face the same arguement as any other type of predjudice quoted in this soon-to-be-closed thread regardless of which distinction you'd care to write about.
Me a Chinese and a Indian girl was about to walk into a Scottish pub. Aman smoking at the door said 'we dont want your sort here'.
A couple of colleuges (one Anglo-Scott, one Brit-Asian) went into a pub in Glasgow, after the paler one of the two ordered a double talisker the barman said "and for your black friend?".
No sense of wrongdoing from the barman either. 😯
We were having this exact same conversation in work today.
Working in quite a mixed race environment, we have a lot of fun at each others expense, and i get the most of it, from being called a jock to being refered to a stight because im scottish,(which by the way is bollox having lived in england most of my life now i can always get a drink in bar in scotland try that in england with no money.)
Anyway we came to the conclusion that there are certain words that are unexceptionable, but the main thing that makes it racist is the context used in. And this is a fine line, that differs from race to race and area to area.
this thread would stand as evidence to the contrary...It's not really that difficult is it?
Anyway we came to the conclusion that there are certain words that are unexceptionable, but the main thing that makes it racist is the context used in. And this is a fine line, that differs from race to race and area to area.
Spot on summary, no need for any more.
*thread closed*
Pole is IME an acceptable shortening of Polish. Unfortunately it's often incorporated into the sentence "**** Poles coming over here and taking our jobs" Oddly though I've not needed to shorten the word Polish, despite being from Essex where 25% of the alphabet goes unnoticed.
Call me odd but,
Words are funny. I always kinda figured intent was more important. Compare and contrast,
"There's a Pole just started at work today, seems a sound bloke."
"Bloody Polish, no wonder there's a job shortage round here."
Which statement carries the most racism?
Closer to home for me is "****." When I was at school it was often used as a pejorative term, usually preceded by "f'kin," but it was also used as an innocent descriptive term, a la "**** shop". I wonder in hindsight if it was originally just that, a contraction of "****stani" just like we use "Brit," but it was used so often in racist slurs that it became "racist" in and of itself. Ie, if we'd always used "****stani" to refer to ****stanis, we'd now be in the mad position where calling a ****stani a ****stani would be deemed racist.
I would think life is a lot easier being a person of colour than being gay,tg, disabled or i dare say old.
WHY
Protection of the wider community? As a white teacher I didn't get any protection from the wider community, nor did my white female head of department.
Should any white person on the forum want to know how it feels to be on the receiving end of racism, I suggest either teaching in a school where you are the only white in the classroom or travel independently in North Africa. There you'll experience real racism and no longer worry about what to call a meal from a Chinese restaurant.
disabled dwarf?
It's not big and it's not clever.
(sorry)
There you'll experience real racism and no longer worry about what to call a meal from a Chinese restaurant.
Are you saying its OK to give what you get, aka an eye for an eye?
Don't be so ridiculous, you know better that than, so why did you write it?
Should any white person on the forum want to know how it feels to be on the receiving end of racism, I suggest either teaching in a school where you are the only white in the classroom
I've done this (well not in a classroom - but I've run many music workshops where I was the only white person in the room) - didn't ever experience any racism.
...and then you get those that weaken the postive argument ^^ Grum, by placing inane examples on web forums for arguments sake.What about your dwarf? He/She'd face the same arguement as any other type of predjudice quoted in this soon-to-be-closed thread regardless of which distinction you'd care to write about.
Yeah I know it wasn't very hepful - it just seemed such a daft thing to say a daft response seemed appropriate.
I've often wondered just why it is that white guys might get a hard time in Africa. It's almost as if they don't trust us for some reason or another.
Racism is just plain stupid.
You never think it will happen until it does, especially as an adult white male (putting the whole gaybashing etc. etc. stuff to one side). In Germany I have been called (not politely) an '[i]inbred island monkey[/i]' which is apparently the racist term for peoples of this isle. It makes you nervous of everyone around you thinking the same thing. Nasty.
Should any white person on the forum want to know how it feels to be on the receiving end of racism
I'm interested. What does it feel like?
I'm not racist, some of my best friends are ___________**fill with totally inappropriate racist term
My kind of game...
I'm not racist, some of my best friends are Ginger
I'm not racist, some of my best friends are short
I'm not racist, some of my best friends are Welsh
I'm not racist, some of my best friends are imaginary...
I'm not racist, some of my best friends are Welsh
OI!
Sticks and stones, eh, what a bunch. Get out and travel the world a bit guys.
OI!
Don't be silly.
Who'd ever have a Welsh friend?
(-:
EDIT:Video fail
deadlydarcy - Member
exclusively
No, just mostly.(racism the preserve of white people)
I do take massive issue with this. I would say that it is the preserve of the human race. It's just far more damaging when it's directed at a minority by the majority, which is the experience of us westerners. I would suggest that you would experience the polar opposite if you went to live somewhere where white people were the minority, and it would be just as inherently wrong.
Lady Gresley - Member
So in amongst all the s**t, I notice this -
McHamish - Member
As the proud owner of a Chinese wifeHmmmmm...
Interesting that a woman picked up on the 'casual sexism' in my post, it took longer than I expected. What does this say to the people who think that it's not offensive to say 'chink' etc, because they themselves don't think it's racist?
Do you thin because all the men in this thread weren't offended, that Lady Gressley is being unreasonable in being offended?
Being female she is probably more senstive to it than men [ in the same way being not english i am more sensitive to the use of english for british]- thats not a dig btw.
I took it to be a provacative term, you probably did not mean, used to get a reaction so I declined
Edukator i have experienced real racism via traveling and the worst was in Holland [oddly enough at a peace festival ]
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here
Is racism a good or bad thing?
Did you like it when you recieved it?
Sure some is worse than others like getting your arm cut off is worse than getting your finger cut off but none of it is good and both are real
v8, I didn't say that racism was the sole preserve of the white man. I suggest you find someone who has said that so you can direct your feelings about your massive issue with oppression of the white man by other races at that poster.
Oh, and try not to quote so disingenuously. It's not playing fairly is it?
@ McHamish, I just assumed your "owner" comment was heavily sprinkled with ground irony.
It was, but makes an interesting point I think.
No-one here is racist; racism is a crime, and crime is for blacks...
(if you've not understood the point, hold your breath and count to 10,000 before flaming...)
Hang on a minute, DD. I never said anything about a 'massive issue with the oppression of the white man'??? Please don't put words in my mouth.
If I misunderstood your post then I apologise, but my point was that its ignorance, not skin colour, that makes a racist.
Indeed, you just had a massive issue with what you understood I was saying. Touché. 😛
Hmmmm. So... What [i]were[/i] you saying?
In case anyone's interested, my wife says its definitely not nice to be called a chink. To be honest I think she's pretty shocked that some people think its ok.
She also laughed about my 'owner' comment, so there's at least one woman who isn't offended by that.
As the proud owner of a Chinese wife I can categorically deny that Chinese people refer to themselves as chinks, if you know of any that do I would suggest that they're in the minority.If someone called my wife a chink I suspect I'd have to restrain her to stop her punching them.
My girlfriends Filipino, she finds it offensive.
When we'd been dating for a few months in my third year of uni I didn't restrain myself at a drum n base night, said wannabe skinhead got sparked out (in self defence of course) and then the rest of his mates got sparked out by my brother when they tried to intervene.
Good times.
Apparently I can say I own her only if I pay for all her clothes/handbag/shoes shopping...
grum's nailed it for all the slow ones out there:
Yup, but in Britain white people very rarely experience real racism - apart from the kind of bullshit imagined racism that Daily Mail readers go on about. Like how they 'banned christmas in Birmingham' - that kind of thing.Racism doesn't have half as much effect if there is no power behind it either - it's nonsense to say 'oh well I don't mind being called a Brit'. Pretty obviously completely different as British people have by and large never endured any serious racism, and Brit has never been used as a term of abuse.
If you can't see the sense and truth in that, you're beyond hope.
Oh, and by the way, hi rudebwoy - it's nice to be in a discussion where we can agree for once(!) 🙂
Don't worry Edukator, I wouldn't really chop his fingers off.
It would make me a bit sad though.
British people have by and large never endured any serious racism
Dunno we've not done well at Eurovision for a while...
Cookee all of your friends are imaginary and even they don't like you. 🙂