[Closed] Canabis illegal to grow for personal use, why?

because drugs are bad

mkay

yes cannabis is bad so better get pissed and have a fag.

The drugs make no sense from either a moral or a harm perspective

Clearly alcohol - linked to 75 % of violence and fags - kills half its users are the most dangerous

Oddly heroin if you get it in consistent quality is pretty safe to do the variable quality is what tends to kill folk

Clearly alcohol - linked to 75 % of violence and fags

Alcohol definitely makes you gay.

Peterfile's post proves the need for a like button again 😆

who it can be proven never has contact with another human being

Where did they get the cannabis seeds from, then?

And, more importantly, how were they born?

Alcohol definitely makes you gay.

It certainly makes me quite merry.

It's not exactly hard to grow enough for personal use and never come into any contact with the police though.

Clearly alcohol - linked to 75 % of violence and fags - kills half its users are the most dangerous

Ah yes, but there's a simple solution - just tell people not to drink or smoke. That'll sort it. 😉

It's not exactly hard to grow enough for personal use and never come into any contact with the police though.

A risky plan - all you need is to be burgled and hey presto, plod in your house, what's that plant over there sir?

Much as I'm in the "how the hell can you outlaw a naturally growing plant" camp on this issue, I don't see why it should make a difference if you are not interacting with other people - the law (which may be stupid) is what it is, so you either need to obey it, or risk it. Can't see how it would be different to saying it's okay for someone who doesn't interact with the rest of humanity to watch child abuse images on their computer, not directly harming anyone else (assuming it's not paid for) etc....

Can't see how it would be different to saying it's okay for someone who doesn't interact with the rest of humanity to watch child abuse images

Wow...

Maybe because there isn't really anything that morally wrong with having a smoke.

There is quite a big difference I reckon. Or at least I hope there is ❗

Can't see how it would be different to saying it's okay for someone who doesn't interact with the rest of humanity to watch child abuse images on their computer, not directly harming anyone else (assuming it's not paid for) etc....

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Can't see how it would be different to saying it's okay for someone who doesn't interact with the rest of humanity to watch child abuse images on their computer, not directly harming anyone else (assuming it's not paid for) etc....

The images will have come from the direct abuse of a child somewhere. A crime.

watch child [b]abuse[/b] images on their computer, not directly [b]harming[/b] anyone else

You may have missed something....

Well, the law as it stands says that both are "wrong" things to do, and that's what we've got to guide us in deciding what we can and can't get up to, so you either obey the laws as they are, decide that you can make your own decisions on what laws to obey, or get the laws changed?

My comparison was about querying why the "in your own home, on your own" thing makes any difference to any of that, because I can't see why it's relevant.

Where did they get the cannabis seeds from, then?

And, more importantly, how were they born?

I think the Garden of Eden falls outside of UK legislative jurisdiction

Much as I'm in the "how the hell can you outlaw a naturally growing plant" camp on this issue,

Can't see how it would be different to saying it's okay for someone who doesn't interact with the rest of humanity to watch child abuse images on their computer, not directly harming anyone else (assuming it's not paid for) etc....

manufacturing prohibited weapons for your own 'private collection', or growing japanese knotweed in a pot plant in your conservatory.

I see risk in these two activities and your other example is a taxable industry so I see logic there..

Just plant it in your garden and pretend it was a plant you bought at a car boot sale and you had no idea what it was, like that old couple who were recently in the news did. The cheeky scamps!

Much as I'm in the "how the hell can you outlaw a naturally growing plant" camp on this issue,

I don't think they are native to the UK so that argument falls down a bit...

Lots of plants that are not native to the UK are grown here without risking a visit from the plod.

UK Drug laws have very little to do with reason, morals (in the wider sense) or people's health. Instead, they are used to impose a very specific and perverse 'behavioural code' on society to appeal to a minority of voters (mainly elderly Tories).

[quote=edlong ]all you need is to be burgled and hey presto, plod in your house

Does not compute.

So up to this point it's the law because gov say its bad.

Don't get me wrong I'm no advocate of any drug. I know pot heads who dont leave the house some days, I know beer monsters who drink when the doc has said it will kill them soon. I know coke heads who are fighting and smashing places up every weekend. (I do know decent folk too)

I know people who understand and practice balance and moderation in life. So maybe it's primarily illegal so as to babysit the people who can't moderate their behaviour and take personal responsibility.

i grew a few plants last summer.... nothing to write home about, but kept me going when supplies run out elsewhere.

a friend had three 6ft high plants on his terrace. got over 200gr from them!

if you can fin it there is the book Cannabis by Martin Booth. quite interesting to read how widespread the weed was before Anslinger, a US official, managed to demonise it (and get the rest of the then UN to follow suit) due to its association with blacks and jazz artists.

distilling your own spirits (for personal consumption)

Home distillation is illegal because a) methanol will send you blind, and that's if you're lucky, and b) DIY stills have a tendency to be a little explody.

If cannabis were ever made legal the government/NHS would immediately issue recommended weekly splif units to try to spoil all the fun.

[i] Much as I'm in the "how the hell can you outlaw a naturally growing plant" camp on this issue,

I don't think they are native to the UK so that argument falls down a bit...[/i]

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The government make lots of money from alcohol tax and yet growing your own alcohol at home is entirely legal. Banning cannabis for personal use really makes no sense whatsoever.

[i]Home distillation is illegal because a) methanol will send you blind, and that's if you're lucky, and b) DIY stills have a tendency to be a little explody. [/i]

In yet another crazy twist on British law, you can legally buy a still (that won't produce killer whiskey or explode), but can't use it! 😉
[url] http://www.lovebrewing.co.uk/still-spirits/ [/url]

Canabis illegal to grow for personal use, why?

Because you will sell some eventually, no ifs, ands, or buts ... you will sell some to make profit.

It may not be native but once upon a time landlords here were fined for not growing hemp. We made a lot of ropes and stuff from it.

So maybe it's primarily illegal so as to babysit the people who can't moderate their behaviour and take personal responsibility.

We made a lot of ropes and stuff from it.

just like booze and fag regulation....oh wait..

And unhealthy food. 😉

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seem to recall there's a hell of a lot of uses for the plant.

It's either because they think it's cool man ... cool ... or they are going insane in the membrane.

Just because you can smoke it doesn't mean you have to.

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Distillation does not make Methanol.

Fermentation does. Fermentation isn't illegal.

Has everyone in Colorado stopped going to work, started breaking down in giggles and/or amazement at particularly interesting cloud formations and dangerously overcrowding 24hr fast food outlets?

Until we know the long term answers to these questions I can't see weed being legalised anywhere else, not even for "personal use".

I guess we'll have to keep at eye on Colorado now it's legal to buy it and grow it (for personal consumption). Will be interesting to see whether the whole state descends into reefer madness or if it just carries on pretty much as normal...

Its illegal because you cant have it for personal use! You've got to share! jeez

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Cannabis is an unauthorised substance in jail but is now being superceded by 'Spice', which although 'legal' to the public is still unauthorised in prisons & it's causing major problems. Wer'e having ambulances/paramedics coming in every day now due to problems caused by it's increased use.
It's a bloody nightmare & causing loads more issues than weed ever did.

http://spiceaddictionsupport.org/side-effects-of-spice-use/

I'm not even sure that fermentation produces methanol. Normal fermentation produces ethanol (two carbon alcohol) rather than the one carbon methanol. The latter is what sends meths drinking tramps an industrial alcohol drinking other people blind.

Odd that the body is better able to cope with even number carbon alcohols than odd number ones.

Cannabis is an unauthorised substance in jail but is now being superceded by 'Spice', which although 'legal' to the public is still unauthorised in prisons & it's causing major problems.

But... He who controls the Spice, controls the universe!

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It may not be native but once upon a time landlords here were fined for not growing hemp. We made a lot of ropes and stuff from it.

fancy seeing you here

Distillation does not make Methanol.

Fermentation does. Fermentation isn't illegal.

Entirely true, but if you distill then you concentrate it, mostly in the first bottle, the middle ones will be fine, and the last one will be full of heavy alcohols (wont kill you, but are why cheep vodca tastes of petrol, and gives rotten hangovers).

The problem is
a) most people wont have the facilities to test for methanol.
b) most people wont know they have to
c) the kind of person trying to save a few quid distilling their own vodca probably doesn't appear on the same venn diagram as the kind of person who will do it responsibly.
d) it still explodes if not done safely
e) you mostly produce ~98% alcohol, which then needs diluting with water (which is why distilaries need a stream of nice soft water rather than in Burton on Trent with the breweries), so even the non-methanol containing bottles are deadly.