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[i]Kimbers, you really hate the tories don't you?[/i]
yes- but no worse than the vitriol poured on gordon brown by members of this forum
[i]It's getting a bit boring IMO, maybe you should just give them a chance? [/i]
well they arent going to stop because of my whinging so ill have to
yes- but no worse than the vitriol poured on gordon brown by members of this forum
And deservedly so.
well they arent going to stop because of my whinging so ill have to
they've hardly done anything yet and what they have done is to get us out of the sh1t Brown left us in.
I'm no tory lover but what's done is done and we just have to hope they don't **** it up too badly, like the last lot did.
maybe you should just give them a chance
well they are in govt and he is commenting on what they are doing in abudget is than and them having a chance? Is the comment on this not legitimate?
You comfortable with the poorest paying more than the richest then? Familie spaying more than bankers?I think that is why a number of us view the Tories with a mixture of derision and contempt. look after the rich shaft the poor is there modus operandi.
EDIT; Why have so mmany people bought this line that it is all labours fault - from ernie
Tories 'to match Labour spending'Quote :
A Conservative government would match Labour's projected public spending totals for the next three years, shadow chancellor George Osborne has said.
He pledged two years of 2% increases.
Mr Osborne said government spending under the Conservatives would rise from £615bn next year to £674bn in 2010/11.
Of course soon after that came the global recession caused by Osborne's chums in the banking and finance sectors. It required massive government intervention, and faced with possibly the highest levels of unemployment and contraction since the Great Depression, the government successfully managed to stimulate the economy through growth in the public sector.
The result was far better than most people had imagined possible - unemployment, despite the most serious global crises for almost 70 years, never even reached the levels caused by Thatcher's recession of the early eighties.
So impressive was Labour's handling of the crises, that they went from a situation of a 22% Tory opinion poll lead, to robbing the Tories of a parliamentary majority - within 12 months.
However, Cameron and Osborn saw the credit crunch/global recession caused by their buddies as a golden opportunity to vandalise and destroy the British welfare state, social housing, the BBC, and everything else which public school educated privileged sons of multimillionaires so despise.
So they went from promising to spend even more than Labour, which they felt they needed to say to win the election, to the situation which we have today.
And the public has fallen for it hook line and sinker.........unemployment going up ? ....... its all the fault of Labour.
4.5 million waiting for affordable housing but the budget has been cut by over 50% ? ........its all the fault of Labour. Councils have to cut services and put up council tax ? ........its all the fault of Labour. And so on.........Everything is Labours fault ....... as public school hooligans go on the rampage vandalising everything they can see and touch.
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm
The tories would have faired no better and to blame brown for the banking crisis in America that triggered the collpase and the subsequent fall out is a bit daft. All western countries are affected no govt avoided the effect, no govt caused it. The actions of Brown , endorsed by the G20 and praised by the right wing press got us out of the recession that george is heading us back into by slashing spending. yes the structural defecit needs addressing but only the tories [ pre election] wanted cuts of this magnitude.
Yes he was a pi55 poor PM but responsible for the recession not really unless you want to blame every world leader and ignore then bankers
i genuinely believe that the character assisnation of brown was one of the saddest failures of british media journalism
dont get me wrong he was on watch when the music stopped and left us poorly prepared
but the torries have done nothing yet to prevent the crash from happening again, thats what caused the mess in countries all around the globe, laying it all on browns shoulders is ridiculous
instead its idealogical attacks on the public sector
It appears to be clear that the richest group (including many of the bankers and other financial gamblers who were a significant factor in getting the country into this sh*t - £75bn to bail out the banks) aren't going to contribute as much as those on the lowest incomes. And Osborne's prediction that the private sector will create jobs for all the current unemployed, plus the half million or so public sector workers who are going to be dumped on the dole, is pure fantasy. Capitalism is about getting the most profit out of a single productive unit, not about creating employment. The other hole in his plans are that many private sector organisations will have to lay off staff as contracts with the public sector disappear.
Looks like its going to be P45 time for Yoof Workers. I work for a registered charity that basically delivers the Local Authorities youth service. As a non statutory service we wont make the cut when councils decide how to make their savings. Our work is exactly what the 'big society' bollocks should be about, ie we deliver front line services with minimal overheads and we are able to attract chariabe funds to match the LA's grant. Our youth clubs will close, youths with nowt to do, you know how that ends. There have already been £100,000 of cuts already. Eg the 'youth opportunity fund' had been withdrawn. The fund provided lots a great activities for kids.
It will cost more to deal with the impact of these cuts that the costs of providing the service.
\o/
woohoo....crime goes up and I keep me job, result!
(silver lining and all that!)
i genuinely believe that the character assisnation of brown was one of the saddest failures of british media journalism
They took what Brown gave them and ran with it.
I'm reading Chris Mullen's diaries, 2005-2010. Excellent read.
At one point Alistair Campbell says to him that every single member of The Man's cabinet had privately told him that GB was not up to the job.
I'll be buying window bars and an electric fence to keep the hoards of disillusioned and unemployed Youfs out. So security companies will do ok.
I seem to remember Sunderland spent thousands of pounds 'setting up' a youth parliament. Be interesting to hear what it has to say.
Mr Mullin spoke at the Youth Parliament a couple of times. Funny thing is, the youth parliament elected the only Tory Yoof in the city to be its spoke person. Oh how we laughed......
At one point Alistair Campbell says to him that every single member of The Man's cabinet had privately told him that GB was not up to the job.
And yet he was elected Labour leader unopposed.
So convinced where Labour MPs that Gordon Brown was the best man for the job, that they refused to nominate anyone else at all .... just in case the Labour Party chose someone different to their very strongly preferred choice.
Here are the Labour MPs who nominated Gordon Brown as leader :
Ainger MP, Nick Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire
Ainsworth MP, Rt Hon Bob Coventry North East
Alexander MP, Rt Hon Douglas Paisley and Renfrewshire South
Allen MP, Graham Nottingham North
Anderson MP, David Blaydon
Anderson MP, Janet Rossendale and Darwen
Armstrong MP, Rt Hon Hilary North West Durham
Atkins MP, Charlotte Staffordshire Moorlands
Austin MP, Ian Dudley North
Austin MP, John Erith and Thamesmead
Bailey MP, Adrian West Bromwich West
Baird MP, Vera Redcar
Balls MP, Ed Normanton
Banks MP, Gordon Ochil and South Perthshire
Barlow MP, Celia Hove
Barron MP, Rt Hon Kevin Rother Valley
Battle MP, Rt Hon John Leeds West
Bayley MP, Hugh City of York
Beckett MP, Rt Hon Margaret Derby South
Begg MP, Miss Anne Aberdeen South
Bell MP, Sir Stuart Middlesbrough
Benn MP, Rt Hon Hilary Leeds Central
Benton MP, Joe Bootle
Berry MP, Dr Roger Kingswood
Betts MP, Clive Sheffield, Attercliffe
Blackman MP, Liz Erewash
Blackman-Woods MP, Dr Roberta City of Durham
Blair MP, Rt Hon Tony Sedgefield
Blears MP, Rt Hon Hazel Salford
Blizzard MP, Bob Waveney
Blunkett MP, Rt Hon David Sheffield, Brightside
Borrow MP, David S. South Ribble
Bradshaw MP, Ben Exeter
Brennan MP, Kevin Cardiff West
Brown MP, Lyn West Ham
Brown MP, Rt Hon Gordon Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath
Brown MP, Rt Hon Nick Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
Brown MP, Russell Dumfries and Galloway
Browne MP, Rt Hon Des Kilmarnock and Loudoun
Bryant MP, Chris Rhondda
Buck MP, Karen Regent's Park and Kensington North
Burden MP, Richard Birmingham, Northfield
Burgon MP, Colin Elmet
Burnham MP, Andy Leigh
Butler MP, Dawn Brent South
Byers MP, Rt Hon Stephen North Tyneside
Byrne MP, Liam Birmingham, Hodge Hill
Caborn MP, Rt Hon Richard Sheffield Central
Cairns MP, David Inverclyde
Campbell MP, Alan Tynemouth
Cawsey MP, Ian Brigg and Goole
Challen MP, Colin Morley and Rothwell
Chapman MP, Ben Wirral South
Chaytor MP, David Bury North
Clark MP, Paul Gillingham
Clarke MP, Rt Hon Tom Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill
Clelland MP, David Tyne Bridge
Clwyd MP, Rt Hon Ann Cynon Valley
Coaker MP, Vernon Gedling
Coffey MP, Ann Stockport
Connarty MP, Michael Linlithgow and East Falkirk
Cooper MP, Rosie West Lancashire
Cooper MP, Yvette Pontefract and Castleford
Crausby MP, David Bolton North East
Creagh MP, Mary Wakefield
Cruddas MP, Jon Dagenham
Cummings MP, John Easington
Cunningham MP, Jim Coventry South
Cunningham MP, Tony Workington
Curtis-Thomas MP, Claire Crosby
Darling MP, Rt Hon Alistair Edinburgh South West
David MP, Wayne Caerphilly
Davidson MP, Ian Glasgow South West
Dean MP, Janet Burton
Denham MP, Rt Hon John Southampton, Itchen
Devine MP, Jim Livingston
Dhanda MP, Parmjit Gloucester
Dismore MP, Andrew Hendon
Dobbin MP, Jim Heywood and Middleton
Dobson MP, Rt Hon Frank Holborn and St Pancras
Donohoe MP, Brian H. Central Ayrshire
Doran MP, Frank Aberdeen North
Dunwoody MP, Gwyneth Crewe and Nantwich
Eagle MP, Angela Wallasey
Eagle MP, Maria Liverpool, Garston
Efford MP, Clive Eltham
Ellman MP, Louise Liverpool, Riverside
Engel MP, Natascha North East Derbyshire
Ennis MP, Jeff Barnsley East and Mexborough
Farrelly MP, Paul Newcastle-under-Lyme
Fitzpatrick MP, Jim Poplar and Canning Town
Flello MP, Robert Stoke-on-Trent South
Flint MP, Caroline Don Valley
Follett MP, Barbara Stevenage
Foster MP, Michael Worcester
Foster MP, Michael Jabez Hastings and Rye
Francis MP, Dr Hywel Aberavon
Gapes MP, Mike Ilford South
Gardiner MP, Barry Brent North
George MP, Rt Hon Bruce Walsall South
Gilroy MP, Linda Plymouth, Sutton
Godsiff MP, Roger Birmingham, Sparkbrook and Small Heath
Goggins MP, Paul Wythenshawe and Sale East
Goodman MP, Helen Bishop Auckland
Griffiths MP, Nigel Edinburgh South
Grogan MP, John Selby
Gwynne MP, Andrew Denton and Reddish
Hain MP, Rt Hon Peter Neath
Hall MP, Mike Weaver Vale
Hall MP, Patrick Bedford
Hamilton MP, David Midlothian
Hamilton MP, Fabian Leeds North East
Hanson MP, Rt Hon David Delyn
Harman MP, Rt Hon Harriet Camberwell and Peckham
Harris MP, Tom Glasgow South
Healey MP, John Wentworth
Henderson MP, Doug Newcastle upon Tyne North
Hendrick MP, Mark Preston
Hepburn MP, Stephen Jarrow
Heppell MP, John Nottingham East
Hesford MP, Stephen Wirral West
Hewitt MP, Rt Hon Patricia Leicester West
Hill MP, Rt Hon Keith Streatham
Hillier MP, Meg Hackney South and Shoreditch
Hodge MP, Rt Hon Margaret Barking
Hodgson MP, Sharon Gateshead East and Washington West
Hood MP, Jimmy Lanark and Hamilton East
Hoon MP, Rt Hon Geoff Ashfield
Hope MP, Phil Corby
Howarth MP, Rt Hon George Knowsley North and Sefton East
Howells MP, Dr Kim Pontypridd
Hoyle MP, Lindsay Chorley
Hughes MP, Rt Hon Beverley Stretford and Urmston
Humble MP, Joan Blackpool North and Fleetwood
Hutton MP, Rt Hon John Barrow and Furness
Iddon MP, Dr Brian Bolton South East
Illsley MP, Eric Barnsley Central
Ingram MP, Rt Hon Adam East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow
Irranca-Davies MP, Huw Ogmore
Jackson MP, Glenda Hampstead and Highgate
James MP, Siân C. Swansea East
Jenkins MP, Brian Tamworth
Johnson MP, Diana R. Kingston upon Hull North
Johnson MP, Rt Hon Alan Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle
Jones MP, Helen Warrington North
Jones MP, Kevan North Durham
Jones MP, Martyn Clwyd South
Jowell MP, Rt Hon Tessa Dulwich and West Norwood
Joyce MP, Eric Falkirk
Kaufman MP, Rt Hon Sir Gerald Manchester, Gorton
Keeble MP, Sally Northampton North
Keeley MP, Barbara Worsley
Keen MP, Alan Feltham and Heston
Keen MP, Ann Brentford and Isleworth
Kelly MP, Rt Hon Ruth Bolton West
Kemp MP, Fraser Houghton and Washington East
Kennedy MP, Rt Hon Jane Liverpool, Wavertree
Khan MP, Sadiq Tooting
Kidney MP, David Stafford
Knight MP, Jim South Dorset
Kumar MP, Dr Ashok Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland
Ladyman MP, Dr Stephen South Thanet
Lammy MP, David Tottenham
Laxton MP, Bob Derby North
Lazarowicz MP, Mark Edinburgh North and Leith
Lepper MP, David Brighton, Pavilion
Levitt MP, Tom High Peak
Lewis MP, Ivan Bury South
Linton MP, Martin Battersea
Lloyd MP, Tony Manchester Central
Love MP, Andy Edmonton
Lucas MP, Ian Wrexham
MacDougall MP, John Glenrothes
Mackinlay MP, Andrew Thurrock
MacShane MP, Rt Hon Denis Rotherham
Mactaggart MP, Fiona Slough
Mahmood MP, Khalid Birmingham, Perry Barr
Malik MP, Shahid Dewsbury
Mallaber MP, Judy Amber Valley
Mann MP, John Bassetlaw
Marris MP, Rob Wolverhampton South West
Marsden MP, Gordon Blackpool South
Marshall MP, David Glasgow East
Marshall-Andrews MP, Bob Medway
Martlew MP, Eric Carlisle
McAvoy MP, Rt Hon Thomas Rutherglen and Hamilton West
McCabe MP, Stephen Birmingham, Hall Green
McCafferty MP, Chris Calder Valley
McCarthy MP, Kerry Bristol East
McCarthy-Fry MP, Sarah Portsmouth North
McCartney MP, Rt Hon Ian Makerfield
McFadden MP, Pat Wolverhampton South East
McFall MP, Rt Hon John West Dunbartonshire
McGovern MP, Jim Dundee West
McGuire MP, Anne Stirling
McIsaac MP, Shona Cleethorpes
McKechin MP, Ann Glasgow North
McKenna MP, Rosemary Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East
McNulty MP, Tony Harrow East
Meale MP, Alan Mansfield
Merron MP, Gillian Lincoln
Michael MP, Rt Hon Alun Cardiff South and Penarth
Milburn MP, Rt Hon Alan Darlington
Miliband MP, Ed Doncaster North
Miliband MP, Rt Hon David South Shields
Miller MP, Andrew Ellesmere Port and Neston
Mitchell MP, Austin Great Grimsby
Moffat MP, Anne East Lothian
Moffatt MP, Laura Crawley
Mole MP, Chris Ipswich
Moon MP, Madeleine Bridgend
Moran MP, Margaret Luton South
Morden MP, Jessica Newport East
Morgan MP, Julie Cardiff North
Morley MP, Rt Hon Elliot S****horpe
Mountford MP, Kali Colne Valley
Mudie MP, George Leeds East
Mullin MP, Chris Sunderland South
Munn MP, Meg Sheffield, Heeley
Murphy MP, Denis Wansbeck
Murphy MP, Jim East Renfrewshire
Murphy MP, Rt Hon Paul Torfaen
Naysmith MP, Dr Doug Bristol North West
Norris MP, Dan Wansdyke
O'Brien MP, Mike North Warwickshire
O'Hara MP, Edward Knowsley South
Olner MP, Bill Nuneaton
Osborne MP, Sandra Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
Owen MP, Albert Ynys Môn
Palmer MP, Dr Nick Broxtowe
Pearson MP, Ian Dudley South
Plaskitt MP, James Warwick and Leamington
Pope MP, Greg Hyndburn
Pound MP, Stephen Ealing North
Prentice MP, Bridget Lewisham East
Prescott MP, Rt Hon John Kingston upon Hull East
Primarolo MP, Rt Hon Dawn Bristol South
Prosser MP, Gwyn Dover
Purchase MP, Ken Wolverhampton North East
Purnell MP, James Stalybridge and Hyde
Rammell MP, Bill Harlow
Raynsford MP, Rt Hon Nick Greenwich and Woolwich
Reed MP, Andy Loughborough
Reed MP, Jamie Copeland
Reid MP, Rt Hon John Airdrie and Shotts
Robertson MP, John Glasgow North West
Robinson MP, Geoffrey Coventry North West
Rooney MP, Terry Bradford North
Roy MP, Frank Motherwell and Wishaw
Ruane MP, Chris Vale of Clwyd
Ruddock MP, Joan Lewisham, Deptford
Russell MP, Christine City of Chester
Ryan MP, Joan Enfield North
Salter MP, Martin Reading West
Sarwar MP, Mohammad Glasgow Central
Seabeck MP, Alison Plymouth, Devonport
Shaw MP, Jonathan Chatham and Aylesford
Sheerman MP, Barry Huddersfield
Sheridan MP, Jim Paisley and Renfrewshire North
Simon MP, Siôn Birmingham, Erdington
Singh MP, Marsha Bradford West
Slaughter MP, Andy Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush
Smith MP, Angela C. Sheffield, Hillsborough
Smith MP, Angela E. Basildon
Smith MP, Geraldine Morecambe and Lunesdale
Smith MP, John Vale of Glamorgan
Smith MP, Rt Hon Andrew Oxford East
Smith MP, Rt Hon Jacqui Redditch
Snelgrove MP, Anne Swindon South
Soulsby MP, Sir Peter Leicester South
Southworth MP, Helen Warrington South
Spellar MP, Rt Hon John Warley
Starkey MP, Dr Phyllis Milton Keynes South West
Stewart MP, Ian Eccles
Stoate MP, Dr Howard Dartford
Strang MP, Rt Hon Gavin Edinburgh East
Straw MP, Rt Hon Jack Blackburn
Stuart MP, Gisela Birmingham, Edgbaston
Sutcliffe MP, Gerry Bradford South
Tami MP, Mark Alyn and Deeside
Taylor MP, Dari Stockton South
Thomas MP, Gareth Harrow West
Thornberry MP, Emily Islington South and Finsbury
Timms MP, Rt Hon Stephen East Ham
Tipping MP, Paddy Sherwood
Todd MP, Mark South Derbyshire
Touhig MP, Rt Hon Don Islwyn
Trickett MP, Jon Hemsworth
Truswell MP, Paul Pudsey
Turner MP, Dr Desmond Brighton, Kemptown
Turner MP, Neil Wigan
Twigg MP, Derek Halton
Ussher MP, Kitty Burnley
Vaz MP, Rt Hon Keith Leicester East
Vis MP, Dr Rudi Finchley and Golders Green
Walley MP, Joan Stoke-on-Trent North
Waltho MP, Lynda Stourbridge
Ward MP, Claire Watford
Watson MP, Tom West Bromwich East
Watts MP, Dave St Helens North
Whitehead MP, Dr Alan Southampton, Test
Wicks MP, Malcolm Croydon North
Williams MP, Betty Conwy
Williams MP, Rt Hon Alan Swansea West
Wills MP, Michael Swindon North
Winterton MP, Rt Hon Rosie Doncaster Central
Woodward MP, Shaun St Helens South
Woolas MP, Phil Oldham East and Saddleworth
Wright MP, Anthony Great Yarmouth
Wright MP, David Telford
Wright MP, Dr Tony Cannock Chase
Wright MP, Iain Hartlepool
Wyatt MP, Derek Sittingbourne and Sheppey
So they all nominated someone who wasn't up to the job ?
Who's fault is that ......theirs ? Or Gordon Brown's ?
No point them whingeing after the event........I assume they had all actually heard of Gordon Brown before they decided to nominate him.
I don’t think the government is helping making the poor more worse off. Just sounds like a recipe for disaster, I would love to know how they are going to keep crime down as If not bad already. I just cannot see how the private sector will help when we lose staff, now they never get replaced my wife’s company PWC are losing 4 million a month on government contracts which will only affect jobs. I don’t mind paying more taxes which I would have been happy to do than cause so much suffering with these cuts.
And yet he was elected Labour leader unopposed.
Ernie - probably best to get the book and read it for yourself 🙂
In fact there _was_ an effort to oppose him, but neither of the candidates got enough nominations to go forward to an actual election. Michael Meacher was one; can't remember the other.
'Twas John McDonnell
But Labour MPs were overwhelmingly united that Gordon Brown was the man for the job.