Even for you jamby,suggesting that the problem with the academies was teachers resistant to change is a belter. Right up there with you still using the £350 million claim on the EU thread a full week after your leave overlords had declared it BS.
I think you're too harsh on Corbyn to be honest. You're falling for the media bias.
you know what I mean fella? Let me rephrase it...
The Labour party is an unelectable ****ing shambles, completely incapable of being an effective opposition, when that is what is needed more than any time in history?
Is that better? 😉
yes! 😆
Out of curiousity, could Corbyn just boot out the 170 or so that are rebelling against him and allow the membership to re-select who they like for the next general election?
If Turkey is so unlikely give us a binding referendum on each new country.
You might want to Google "representative democracy" and jump back in when you have a clue.
I'd say that the EU delegating decision-making to national referendums at this point is as likely as ... well ... as likely as Boris and Gove painting something truthful on the side of a bus.
Out of curiousity, could Corbyn just boot out the 170 or so that are rebelling against him and allow the membership to re-select who they like for the next general election?
I was thinking that myself. Aren't the cobynites trying to mount a coup that aims to have non-believers de-selected?
Is it possible that overnight the Lib Dems could suddenly find themselves with 170 new MP's
Politics in this country, post referendum, is now so bonkers that nothing would surprise me any more
binners - Member
the labour party is morphing in to the Socialist Workers PartyI think you're too harsh on Corbyn to be honest.
I think that is pretty fair - the language he uses - comrades, referring to our friends from hezbollah, the way he dresses, it's all stereotypical SWP type stuff like you see around the student union bars being angry all the time and banging their fists against the bar.
When I was at Cardiff (time of Scargill) a tory politician was coming down to the great hall in the students union for some big debate - BBC cameras where there, etc.
There was a guy selling socialist worker at the side of the stage.
Before it all started, but with a full crowd in the hall, a guy named Lance, who wasn't wearing his usual Barbour type garb, went up and bought a copy, then stepped up to the centre of the stage, lifted the paper up and proceeded to tear it into halves in front of the mostly rabid left wing students.
Obviously it all went off then and the debate/whatever-it-was never happened. Made the BBC Wales news though.
Apparently Corbyn has decided that hezbollah are not his friends because they ARE anti-semitic.
Allegedly what changed his mind was that someone from the PLP actually got out the hezbollah constitution and read him the relevant sections.
But its a perfectly reasonable mistake to make .. for years .. despite being told over and over again .. something that hezbollah are really proud of .. so much that they wrote it down for everyone to see.
Allegedly what changed his mind was that someone from the PLP actually got out the hezbollah constitution and read him the relevant sections.
A politician being told he's wrong and changing his mind?
Brilliant!
it's all stereotypical SWP type stuff like you see around the student union bars
Is it hell.
I think that is pretty fair
Which is as much an indication of your politics as it is his
the way he dresses,
So we choose our leaders according to how they dress? CFH for President!!
the way he dresses,
FFS! If you're going to criticize him at least do it properly. There are many problems with Corbyn, and his mates in momentum, but to write them off as socialist workers is a pretty lazy tabloid-esque analysis.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/08/jeremy-corbyn-labour-negotiations-europe-tories-exploit-cheap-labour ]His latest piece in the grauniad[/url] is actually pretty good. It offers a sensible analysis of the brexit vote and what should happen next from a left-progressive viewpoint. Not very socialist worker really. If it was he'd be calling for a general strike by now.
CFH for President!!
**** off! Did you not see that picture of him on an aeroplane in his gym pumps?
a story did pop up on my google now about the PLP scarpering around trying to find out who actually owns the name of the labour party and the assets, the leader or general secretary or something. My guess is they didn't like what they found, hence their sheepishness of late.binners - Member
Out of curiousity, could Corbyn just boot out the 170 or so that are rebelling against him and allow the membership to re-select who they like for the next general election?
I was thinking that myself. Aren't the cobynites trying to mount a coup that aims to have non-believers de-selected?
Is it possible that overnight the Lib Dems could suddenly find themselves with 170 new MP'sPolitics in this country, post referendum, is now so bonkers that nothing would surprise me any more
He really should just sack them all. by elections galore, why not, democracy seems to be the in thing, lets go for it see what happens.
I would guess that the majority of the public vote for their favoured politicians based upon how similar they are to them, how they dress, how they speak and who they remind them off... way more than their vote being based upon a critique of their proposed policies etc....Nigel Farage being a prime example.
So we choose our leaders according to how they dress?
he definitely chooses his clothing to fit in with his political leanings, the hat in particular.
from his black Leninist cap to his ever-present beard, there is something of the stage proletarian about him. His keen lack of vanity is its own kind of pretension. “He is the only man I know who buys his clothes at the Dalston Co-Op,” as another Islington activist waspishly put it to me.
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Maybe Corbyn should follow Alex Ferguson's motto..."sack the C***s".
**** off! Did you not see that picture of him on an aeroplane in his gym pumps?
Not just dodgy pumps....big flappy Chinos! Sooo last decade! 😳
Maybe Corbyn should follow Alex Ferguson's motto..."sack the C***s".
A good idea, only slightly hindered by the fact that pretty much everyone has already resigned
Is there not already a Corbyn thread.
The tories (the party in government) are tearing themselves apart, the economy is up shit street, the country is divided, and the ship of fools get distracted by the ****ing cap Corbyn is wearing. Murdoch must be laughing his evil head of at such a bunch of gullable ****ing idiots.
If you're going to criticize him at least do it properly.
But.. left winger! Trotskyite Socialist Worker Student! LEEEFTIEEE!!!
Ironic that the least credible statements around this issue are the ones criticising someone's credibility.. but they are the ones that seem to have the most believers.
The tories (the party in government) are tearing themselves apart
They're really not though, are they? Asking which Tory leader you get out of that shower of *s is all fairly academic. They're all on the same mission. Its not like any one of them is likely to suddenly discover some previously dormant social conscience, and humanity, is it? Some heartfelt empathy with the working classes? A burning desire for social justice?
Now they're unconstrained by the whole Europe thing, and don't have an opposition worthy of the name, they'll all unite in their goal of bending us all over, and going in dry.
What would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic, is listening to all the prospective PM's banging on about equality and opportunity, and governing for the many not the few, when we all know full well, that once they pull the plug on the EU, they'll be having a bonfire of workers rights, and gleefully *ing the lot of us over as they turn the UK into a corporatist neoliberal theme park
Murdoch must be laughing his evil head of at such a bunch of gullable **** idiots.
Of course he is: He got what he wanted with the Brexit vote and now he's sitting back and orchestrating this whole affair, including the public humiliation of Corbyn.
[i] When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.[/i]
Rupert Murdoch
cant tell if her blogs been hacked or shes just absolutely batshit
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andre a's-blog/a-tory-mums-recipe-for-a-perfect-british-society/27
A Tory mum's recipe for a perfect British society
Take one cup of Anglo Saxon determination;Mix with a jugful of Muslim respect for the family;
Stir in a pinch of traditional Asian modesty;
Whisk with two tablespoonsful of military respect for authority;
Serve on a bed of East European work ethic;
And enjoy with a full glass of British belief in the freedom of the individual!
There is a serious point here - we in the so called 'Western civilisations' have so much to learn from other cultures, and they would stand to gain so much by learning from ours. We don't have all the answers - far from it... but nor do any other culture or religion. It's only by mutual respect, a willingness to learn and the courage to live together that we will build a better life for our children.
Former banker proves that intelligence is not a requirement for success.
tbh it would be a beautiful thing if Corbyn did get in next GE. I'd probably die laughing! 😆binners - Member
The tories (the party in government) are tearing themselves apart
They're really not though, are they? Asking which Tory leader you get out of that shower of *s is all fairly academic. They're all on the same mission. Its not like any one of them is likely to suddenly discover some previously dormant social conscience, and humanity, is it? Some heartfelt empathy with the working classes? A burning desire for social justice?Now they're unconstrained by the whole Europe thing, and don't have an opposition worthy of the name, they'll all unite in their goal of bending us all over, and going in dry.
What would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic, is listening to all the prospective PM's banging on about equality and opportunity, and governing for the many not the few, when we all know full well, that once they pull the plug on the EU, they'll be having a bonfire of workers rights, and gleefully
*ing the lot of us over as they turn the UK into a corporatist neoliberal theme park
and the ship of fools get distracted by the **** cap Corbyn is wearing
well it's not quite a distraction is it - he dresses sympathetically according to his political views, to align himself with others that have looked like that.
It's a bit like Hipsters all dressing the same, they are trying to align with something.
Or that 'political' comedy show from the 70s whose names escapes me.
The Tory party is absolutely not going to "lurch out to the right" the middle ground is there for the taking and they won't be abandoning it. With living wages and rising persoanl allowance they will be shoring up the middle ground. They will do this whoever of May/Leadso, wins
I'll put myself on record
May and Leadsom are both a complete disaster - both are a lurch to the comfortable ("its time for mummy" as one MP said) rather than a bold step into the future.
Conservative party need to dominate the centre ground with the next generation and reinvent themselves as post-brexit aspiration ("things can only get better")- not hark back to Old times
I have said clearly that I think that Rees-Mogg should be next PM (or Ruth Davidson were she a westminster MP at the moment)
I have said clearly that I think that Rees-Mogg should be next PM
+1
ninfan - Member
I'll put myself on record
I have said clearly that I think that [b]Rees-Mogg [/b]should be next PM (or Ruth Davidson were she a westminster MP at the moment)
WTF... the same guy who said "[i]Michael Gove would be a prime minister as great as Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher[/i]" and "[i]The British nanny is one of our nation’s finest traditions, iconic like a London taxi or a red bus, steeped in history, and, akin to the ravens at the Tower of London, important to the country’s wellbeing[/i]"
Are you PG Wodehouse?
I have said clearly that I think that Rees-Mogg should be next PM
I agree.
...and I don't know why. He's like Kaa out of the Jungle Book.
I disagree with most of his ideology, but feel I could talk to him for hours.
Jammers - your naive confidence in some hitherto undiscovered humanity in the people we're talking about here is touching, but I think I'm going to stick with my original assumption that we're about to be brutally ****ed by a triumphalist Tory party, while labour sits there with its thumb up its collective arse, having petty little squabbles with itself
TurnerGuy - MemberI think that is pretty fair - the language he uses - comrades
All Labour leaders prior to New Labour used the term "comrades", including John Smith and Neil Kinnock.
Corbyn has never forgotten that he is a Labour politician so has always continued to use the term.
Tony Blair preferred that people weren't reminded that he was supposed to be a Labour politician so used a term much preferred by Tories - "friends and colleagues".
I have to say that of all the criticism I felt that could be leveled at Tony Blair it never occurred to me for one moment to criticise him for addressing Conference as "friends and colleagues", there was plenty of serious tangible criticism to get on with.
I feel hugely comforted if Corbyn's critics are now reduced to criticising him for how he addresses fellow party members, they must truly be very desperate for ammunition.
Good to see Leadsom is keeping it clean. She feels she would be a better PM than May because she has children and May and hubbie weren't able to have any...Stay Classy! As somebody who wants Scottish independence, my first choice was obviously Boris;just to help things along,but she is showing potential.
To be fair, she is disgusted that the times printed what she said, after saying it she old them not to use what she had just said as this leadership battle shouldn't be about her being mother and having children with a stake in the future, and them one day having children with also a stake in the further future, while May is a childless hag. But don't print that even though she keeps repeating it. 🙄
but she is showing potential.
It would normally be amusing to see a proper rightwing zealot so obviously lacking in intelligence leading the party.
However with a divided nation desperately in need of fixing and the most important trade n. egotiations in our nation's history,
Theresa is the only sane option, assuming she can manage to get the dates right for A50, we don't want another Abu Qatada style farce.....
The Times has released the audio tape so people can make their own judgement...
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Jammers - your naive confidence in some hitherto undiscovered humanity in the people we're talking about here is touching, but I think I'm going to stick with my original assumption that we're about to be brutally ****ed by a triumphalist Tory party, while labour sits there with its thumb up its collective arse, having petty little squabbles with itself
If when you say 'naive' you mean 'completely delusional', then yes, it's spot on. We're going to see one of the most right wing Tory governments in history, completely unleashed to do their best (by which I mean worst if you're not a millionaire). Once they realise that the tax take (which will have fallen considerably by year end) doesn't stretch to the current level of benefits / tax credits they'll embark on a slash and burn of benefits and mass privatisation of schools and hospitals.
We'll probably also accept TTIP without any concessions (as they'll be desperate to sign new trade deals), giving US corporations free reign to own all our public services.
Once they realise that the tax take (which will have fallen considerably by year end) doesn't stretch to the current level of benefits / tax credits they'll embark on a slash and burn of benefits and mass privatisation of schools and hospitals
If only the Labour Party was led by someone who was opposed to all that, eh ?
Perhaps they can chose a new leader out of this lot :
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/these-are-the-184-labour-mps-who-didn-t-vote-against-the-tories-welfare-bill-10404831.html ]Welfare bill: These are the 184 Labour MPs who didn’t vote against the Tories' cuts[/url]
So, now that Leadsom's gone - who'll come back in to take the 2nd candidate role?
Gurve?
Bozza?
Crabb?
Fox??
No one Theresa May is our next PM.
Well I didn't see that coming, though clearly I should have.
Quick! Everyone encrypt your data! May is coming!
...and she REALLY wants to see what grumble you've been looking at.