[Closed] Calling all amateur chiropractors

See a professional .
Worth the expense in long run

Calling all amateur chiropractors

Is there any other kind? </troll>

I would get down the osteopath sharpish. These things don't heal, the body works around them

Is there any other kind? </troll>

Brian Hammond

The candidate for Sutton & Cheam? Not seeing it myself.

Do the ride, then go see a chiropractor.

because he is 'also' the candidate for sutton and cheam

see a professional.

You wouldn't see an idiot about mending your car, and your back is worth more.

see a doctor, osteopath or orthopaedic surgeon; not a chiropractor.

see a doctor,

Take some ibuprofen

osteopath

or orthopaedic surgeon;

not a chiropractor.

Clickety click, you'll feel 66

Quackery, no. Osteopath, absolutely.

Well, to be fair, some fairly wild claims are made about the benefits of Chiropractic, but as straightforward bonesetters, they've been good for me and excellent for folks i know who suffered from sciatica

...which is odd, because that's one of the afflictions that Chiropractic hasn't been proven efficacious for. Lower back pain, maybe.

Perhaps your humours were misaligned, disrupting your body's innate intelligence, and your sciatica was just a side effect.

http://chiromt.com/content/18/1/3

i didn't have sciatica

Sorted out my sciatica & lower back problems (& for my g/f a qualified nurse - she recommended the chiro to me), which it seems were connected. Also gave me stretchs/exercises, which once I bothered to do regularly have lessened my need to see her.
Throughly recommend my Mc Timoney chiropractor & would happily recommend her to anyone (west mid based).

I think one of the problems of the RCT Meta-Analysis cited by Cougar is that in dealt with sciatica as a single concept. There are a number of causes of sciatica, some of which may be easily by chiropractic as such the effect size is an agglomeration of two constructs.

woow man, that's far to heavy for me...

Oh and see educated me about my everyday posture, whilst at work and driving that improved things no end.. she's ****in great, I tell ya!

Cougar - couple of questions for you. Have you ever had back pain? Have you ever used a Chiropractor?

I know you are dismissive of them. Why?

i didn't have sciatica

Sorry, misunderstood. What did you have?

my g/f a qualified nurse - she recommended the chiro to me

I'd respectfully suggest that she reads up on what it is before doling out advice.

the effect size is an agglomeration of two constructs.

This may be true, but neither of those constructs have anything to do with straight chiropractic. It's entirely possible that the practitioner also did some other non-chiropractic things (known in the trade as a 'mixer') which did actually do some good, or it could just be the placebo effect.

No, i mean that there are many causes of sciatica. If you treat them all with Chiropractic, then some forms are cured immediately others not. So overall, it looks like chiropractic is no good. You need to disaggregate the results into the different forms.

It's entirely possible that the practitioner also did some other non-chiropractic things (known in the trade as a 'mixer') which did actually do some good, or it could just be the placebo effect.

I'm not sure if you are referring to the study here. It would seem that you are not and are perhaps referring to zippy, so I'll leave it. Unless of course you mean the study.

i didn't have sciatica
...
Sorry, misunderstood. What did you have?

Lower back pain.

May I suggest voodoo.

Have you ever had back pain?

Not that required treatment.

Have you ever used a Chiropractor?

No.

I know you are dismissive of them. Why?

Because they're out of the same school of horseshit peddlers as homeopathists. Chiropractic is borne out of vitalistic medicine, which is what we had before we knew anything about biology (it's the same 'chi' gibberish that has hippies buying power crystals). The basic premise is that all (yes, all) disease is down to problems with the body's natural intelligence and that spinal manipulation restores imbalances in your [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_four_humours ]humours[/url] and suchlike.

Chiropracty these days is keeping its head above water largely because in addition to the horseshit, some practitioners are mixing in efficacious western treatments such as massages and heat / cold applications. So then people come away telling strangers on the Internet how good it is.

It's got mainstream acceptance, in contrast to a lot of the new age / TCM "alternative medicine" industry, perhaps because they sneak in some actual treatment when no-one's looking. A lot of people erroneously believe it's a conventional, proven therapy. It's not, and I find it ingenuous that they try to hide this fact.

Dunno what you've done, but it sounds fairly similar to my problems. My physio alyays said riding would be fine, chiropractor says no way. Physio was wrong, chiropractor correct IME. Rode only 30 miles this weekend, can't walk without drugs so far this week 🙁

Doctor recommended I try chiro too as an alternative to physio. I am feeling an improvement over the month, but it may be just because I've held off the cycling until last weekend. If this doesn't work I might see an osteopath, just to get the set:) Is it like monopoly, and I can build houses on them at that point? The opposite would appear true at the moment, they are building houses on me 👿

[url= http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/07/beware-spinal-trap.html ]Reprint of Simon Singh's 'Spine Wizards' article that he was sued for libel for (he won!)[/url]

Because they're out of the same school of horseshit peddlers as homeopathists. Chiropractic is borne out of vitalistic medicine, which is what we had before we knew anything about biology (it's the same 'chi' gibberish that has hippies buying power crystals). The basic premise is that all (yes, all) disease is down to problems with the body's natural intelligence and that spinal manipulation restores imbalances in your humours and suchlike

Yes, some say that, but others say that it is just about fixing muscleoskeletal misalignments and nothing more. I believe those guys

Cougar - OK, fair enough, that's your opinion. But, if you had excruciating back pain, would you want treatment? If so, who would you consult with?

I agree with you about other alternative treatments, can't get my head around reflexology etc etc.

Rich - sorry to hear that you're in pain, nothing to do with Dartmoor? 😉 Do hope you get fixed soon.

my g/f a qualified nurse - she recommended the chiro to me
I'd respectfully suggest that she reads up on what it is before doling out advice.

& I respectfully retain the right to believe someone who actually worked in the medical world, rather than just reads up on it. My experience, I had back pains, now I don't, I'll stick with the my chiropractor thanks. I had no expectations but had an issue that need dealing with, it got dealt with. As with cycling, there more than one type of chiropractor, not all of them signed up for the S. Singh case, yet there all branded with that now.

Yes, some say that, but others say that it is just about fixing muscleoskeletal misalignments and nothing more. I believe those guys

That's your privilege, of course. A lot of people believe in a lot of hokey stuff. Creationists, for instance.

OK, fair enough, that's your opinion.

Well, no, it's not opinion at all, it's fact.

But, if you had excruciating back pain, would you want treatment? If so, who would you consult with?

An osteopath, most likely. Or someone else with actual reputable medical credentials.

I respectfully retain the right to believe someone who actually worked in the medical world, rather than just reads up on it.

It's called "false authority syndrome" but, yes, again, that's your privilege.

can't get my head around reflexology etc etc.

Sounds like you're getting it mixed up with phrenology (-:

Lol

there more than one type of chiropractor

Yes, I said this. There's two.

"Straight" chiropractors believe in the vitalistic approach exclusively. This lot are actually in decline now.

"Mixer" chiropractors offer conventional treatments in addition to the woo, and shuffle their feet and look a bit embarrassed when asked about the holistic nonsense that their profession was founded on. Which is kinda groovy, but they'd be being a lot more honest about the whole thing if they dropped the pretence that they're chiropractors and started calling themselves "backologists" or something.

Problem is, chiropractic therapy is big business (it's something like the third largest medical profession, or something similar) so it's not going to go away anytime soon when there's all that money still to be fleeced out of people who don't understand what it is (or don't want to).

"Mixer" chiropractors offer conventional treatments in addition to the woo, and shuffle their feet and look a bit embarrassed when asked about the holistic nonsense that their profession was founded on.

Mine doesn't mention any of that bullshit, and appears to do very similar manipulations to my physio. do you feel the same way about physiotherapy?

Actually, I've had two physios. The NHS one told me plenty, but only gave me exercises that crippled me. Lost faith in her tbh.

Here's a bit of good advice for the OP. Do some basic stretches to gauge the pain in your back. Then go and do a flat out 25 mile ride. If your back hurts a lot more immediately or even over the next few days, I'd not think the massive ride is a good idea. I KNOW you want to do it, I did too. At some point, I might take my own advice 😀

Mine doesn't mention any of that bullshit, and appears to do very similar manipulations to my physio

How would you know? Have you asked why they're poking a particular bit? Physios don't go much in for subluxation, last I checked.

Anyway. If they're doing the same manipulations, why isn't (s)he a physiotherapist?

do you feel the same way about physiotherapy?

Well, no, because it's based on crazy, out-there concepts such as biology and anatomy and its efficacy is well proven.

I find it difficult to understand people who go to bat defending discredited alternative medical systems with no basis in fact or science.

Chiro is quackery, a pseudoscience alternative medical system that makes great claims, in other words woo woo.

Hark at these keyboard warriors who have diddly squat experience of it. 🙄

If someone told me they knew a magic word that could cure cancer, would I need to 'experience' it first hand before I could dismiss it as BS?

I've had lower back pain, I sensibly went to physiotherapy via my GP because to paraphrase [b][i]it's based on concepts such as biology and anatomy and its efficacy is well proven[/i][/b], fine now. I however don't think you need experience of quackery to see the woo woo.
They used to boldly claim they could treat among many things asthma, allergies, depression, high blood pressure,...

I know she doesn't mention any of that bullshit because I have ears, and she hasn't mentioned any of that bullshit. If she did, I'd be less keen to go again.

I know she appears to do very similar manipulations to my physio because the movements are similar. They are a bit less painful in certain techniques. FWIW, the bits she's poking are the same as my private physio and my NHS physio. She's made a few good points, related to cycling, which neither of the others made.

No idea why she isn't a physiotherapist, perhaps they aren't as well paid? I'll ask her tomorrow if you like. Anyway I have a timeframe for treatment and a comparison to make with my physio sessions. Like I said, Osteopath might well be next if it doesn't work out.

've had lower back pain, I sensibly went to physiotherapy via my GP because to paraphrase it's based on concepts such as biology and anatomy and its efficacy is well proven, fine now.

I've had lower back pain, I sensibly went to physiotherapy via my GP because to paraphrase it's based on concepts such as biology and anatomy and its efficacy is well proven. I came away crippled. Can you see why I might have less confidence than you in that approach?

All of these people saying that they came away from physio crippled - do you know that that is exactly what was meant to happen after your initial appointment? Answer me this question - How are you meant to know what causes the pain if you dont find something that causes the same pain? It's called a comparable sign and is pretty much what physio is based on. See if you go back more than once you'll actually get some treatment that will take the pain away.

My gf is a physio... Chiro is blox.. akin to homeopathy.. as has been said by Cougar. I've just chipped in because a) I totally agree with Cougar and b) I have the ear of a professional who knows about this crap.

If I rubbed your back for 5 minutes you'd probably feel better.
If I rubbed your back and told you I was realigning your spirit to enable energy to flow through to the nerve centres and thus ease the pain, you'd probably feel better too.

Please don't fall for this nonsense - It's disapointing more than anything.