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Lifting a big roof truss horizontally, over my shop - it bounces quite a bit too.
Be reet, that.
No. Anything other than perfectly smooth lifting and that'll be off.
As long as it doesn't fall it'll be perfectly safe
They're driving along with the things held horizontally, then trying to lift them.
Is it windy up there?
Personally, i'd have skewered the forks through the assembly. And i only lift loads over objects i wouldn't mind dropping loads on.
moronic, I'd have a word, they should have a crane to lift them. Cost cutting.
Pfft I'd get them all on and do it in a oner.
[i]I'd get them all on and do it in a oner. [/i]
that was my first thought - why not just put it through the apex of the truss and do all 6 at once. Can't be any worse...
is it not time to park some of your very long bikes out the back ?
I presume because they can't drive along with the things held high enough. Middle of an empty site, fine to bugger about - over my shop not so much.
That's what we in the trade would refer to as "a wee bit naughty".
Is the truss secured to the forks of the telehandler?
The truss'll be relatively light though and as long as the telehandler has sufficient reach to clear it over the protruding scaffold upright and allow it to be unloaded at high level, nobody'll die. Probably.
Internal standards in construction companies vary wildly. I've worked in places where that picture would get the site manager and everyone else involved sacked on the spot.
I've also worked for companies where the same photo would be greeted with bemused cries of "What?"
HSE would take a dim view I suspect.
The safest way would be to build the entire roof structure on the ground and crane it on in one go. The really dangerous bit is for the guys who're clambering about up there trying to assemble the trusses and board the roof.
Is the truss secured to the forks of the telehandler?
No. It's resting on the bottom of the truss, and a board they've temporarily rested it on because the prongs aren't long enough to reach the top of the truss.
They don't know how much they weigh, but it took 5 guys to lift one.
Is the truss secured to the forks of the telehandler?No.
In that case....Run.
Run for your life.
Big Bit naughty. Speak to the Site Agent. Tell him you don't want to involve the HSE but also don't want your skull / shop / car / baby robin / childs face / bicycle / etc. stoved in either.
I told them to stop being so daft, and they're now lifting them vertically which is an improvement.
the truss isn't designed to support loads like that.
yes, i know it's only self-weight, but still, i wouldn't be surprised if you could break that truss lifting it like that.
That was my point - "they don't weigh much" "so why did it take five of your lads to lift one?"
Get on the phone to the company and ask to speak to their safety manager stating that they are carryout unsafe lifting practices contrary to LOLER that are endangering passers by and your property. Mention that you have posted photos on-line and will phone the HSE if they do not stop, http://www.hse.gov.uk/contact/contact.htm 😉
Not only is it the wrong side of the safe they could also damage the trusses lifting them like that. Tight sods are just trying to avoid getting a crane in. I'd ask them to stop.
EDIT Beaten by ahwhiles, buggerit.
"they don't weigh much"
It's all relative though innit? Compared to the pallets of bricks that the telehandler is rated to carry to the extent of it's reach that truss is like lifting a feather.
Not sure, what's CCG?
The contractor ? - they use that colour of portacabin.
McLaughlin Construction http://www.mclaughlinconstruction.co.uk/
Don't know anyone there. Might have had a quiet word otherwise.
Cheers - I've emailed them anyway.
When you can download Approved Codes of Practice for free from the HSE, there really is no excuse for this kind of thing. Link to a free download of Safe Use of Lifting Equipment below:
I'm no expert on scaffolding, but that doesn't have any diagonal bracing................
Quick stage scaffold. Its the best 😉
As for the trusses we offload them through the truss either side of the ridge which is perfectly acceptable. They probably weigh 30/40 kg at the most.
As for safety, yup theyre penny pinching. Room to get a decent hiab in there if they didnt want to crane.
They probably weigh 30/40 kg at the most.
Not these ones - the pic probably doesn't show scale well, they're at least 30ft long.
How about when the Telehandler topples forward 😆 the alarm will be beeping like a good one.
Are they done yet?
10m, relatively shallow pitch so rafter isn't that long. Youd be surprised at how little they weigh. Should be a ticket on each one. Go have a peek.
That's at least a 13m tele it can piss that lift. However id lift probably 5 at once and have the legs down. Countless hours driving one and actually ticketed unlike some of the stuff I drive 😳
The point is they are lifting over his shop. Suspended load and all that...
It's not the telelifter I was bothered about, it was the truss snapping in half and dropping through my roof. It was bending down several feet at either end.
But they're now promising to do the rest properly tomorrow.
Drove up past your shop today, looked like they only had 2 trusses up on the roof! Probably waiting until your not around so they can continue with the tele-handler method.
Their insurance should cover any damage/loss of life. 8)
Their insurance should cover any damage/loss of life.
possibly if lift was fully planned with all paperwork in place, it doesnt look likely that has happened RUN... 😉
It was really sweet - they knocked on the door this afternoon to show me the new way they'd worked out to do it safely. Telelifter at the back of the site with supports down, they walk the trusses in then do a straight up lift. Much more sensible.
I think they got a bollocking from the clients - who also happen to be my landlords 😀
You find out what they weigh?
Nope.
Is there a safe weight to be lifting over people?
More importantly the truss may well snap if lifted flat like that and when it snaps it will fall off. The gangnail plates will fail.
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See earlier comment on "how to lift." Lifting as they were is just stupid and I'd suggest they haven't put many roofs on. Much easier to recieve the truss in an upright position to start with as over that length they're a bastard to stand.
Its trespass as the landowner owns the airspace. Its poor planning and unlikely that they have undertaken a method statement. There should be a written agreement with the landowner being oversailed and evidence that necessary insurances in place. Ask them to stop until this agreed and evidence of insurance demonstrated. If they carry on you could get an injunction if you felt strongly about it.
No support/jack legs down would be my issue - I had problems when a sub contractor was tiling our garage roof. He had asked the main contractor (new build development) site guy to lift the tiles up onto the roof with the tele-handler. Didnt put the legs down and the machine tipped forward and the tiles fell off. That bit wasnt great but then the loose tiles knocked one of the subbies of the roof and he fell to the ground. Ambulance/A&E (think he sustained some back injuries) and eventually a court case. All fought out by the sub contractor and the main site firm, I was next on the hit list (wasnt even at home!)...
Aye, we're all good now - their new plan doesn't involve lifting over me or anyone else, just a straight lift with the legs down.