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Hora has a point that as usual people are unwilling to engage with
Perhaps we should contract the job out to the Israeli concrete co.? build us some big mofo walls?
You do realise plenty of AK47s are manufactured in Europe?
Yes and moved around with no border checks, that's the point. The Balkans are are main source of such weapons, a by-product of the war there.
To those arguing that border controls cannot stop every AK47, therefore why bother...please try thinking a bit more before speaking.
Who is saying that?
The chickens have come home to roost upon Europe, currently writing the longest suicide note in history as penned by Merkel.
Maybe, but not for this reason...
A day pre Schengen how did they move stuff around? Do you think smugglers drive down roads with a big sign? How do you think guns and drugs make it into the UK?
They found some white old duffer in the South of England, with 470 illegal firearms including Thompson submachine guns, Bren Guns, AR-15s, combat shotguns, 200,000 rounds of ammo, grenades and an RPG.We're not in the schengen zone.....
To put that in perspective, one respectable seeming man living on a small island with proper border controls managed to aquire enough weapons and ammo to arm half a battallion
We're an island. What we need is sharks - with frikken' lasers!Nobberinthefridge - Member
Perhaps we should contract the job out to the Israeli concrete co.? build us some big mofo walls?
Hora perhaps we'll start seeing #horafact soon, seems to be the STW responce when people are unable to conduct a civil doscussion / argument.
They found some white old duffer in the South of England, with 470 illegal firearms including Thompson submachine guns, Bren Guns, AR-15s, combat shotguns, 200,000 rounds of ammo, grenades and an RPG.
Most of that sounds like WW2 stuff which would have been in the UK already. Its also not a black and white discussion, not being in Schengen does not mean we are totally secure, however we are much more secure. We would also be more secure if Schengen didn't exist as weapons could not arrive at the channel without checks as they do now
Schengen could only have worked if the external borders of the EU were secured, and if national security forces coordinated. Neither of these things [s]were[/s] have yet been achieved.
FIFY.
why duplicate effort?
address the external boarders, don't try and put up multiple ones internally.
it's just as easy for Bob to drive from oregan to virginia to deliver a bomb. how on earth do they manage? ( anyone who says 'they're all armed' receives one demerit 😆 )
why duplicate effort?
address the external boarders, don't try and put up multiple ones internally.
Have a look at the map and tell me who the EU are entrusting their security to. Any security expert will tell you multiple levels of secruity are much better than one
How come if its so easy to get all this artillery, I haven't yet been able to get massively tooled up, Wako style, to start my glorious revolution/death cult then?
Eh? Answer me that?
We would also be more secure in Schengen didn't exist [b]as weapons could not arrive at the channel without checks as they do now [/b]
Why not?
I don't think Greggs sell guns do they?
@Del please tell me you are joking. It's too late to secure the external borders, do you not read the news?
Most of that sounds like WW2 stuff which would have been in the UK already. Its also not a balck and white discussion, not being in Schengen does not mean we are totally secure, however we are mich more secure. We would also be more secure in Schengen didn't exist as weapons could not arrive at the channel withoit checks as they do now
What is happening is that criminals are simply stripping weapons down to their constituent parts and shipping them as part of other pieces of equipment. With increasing levels of trade, it's going to become increasingly difficult for an under-resourced police force/customs to check for things like barrels ported for gas pistons, hidden as bloody golf clubs or whatever.
Those AR-15s would have come in from Ireland and it's not like loads of AKs haven't been found here.
It's a question of volume - it's no longer necessary to go through lax border controls to get weapons into a country.
Whilst you lot are squabbling, 13 people are dead, dozens are injured. And there's about a thousand people crammed in a hanger not knowing how we're going to get home.
How come if its so easy to get all this artillery, I haven't yet been able to get massively tooled up, Wako style, to start my glorious revolution/death cult then?Eh? Answer me that?
Haven't met any dodgy ex-military types have we. For example, loads of the guns here came back on flights from Afghanistan.
Why not?
Because there would actually be border guards and checks at the borders. (I do appreciate you are probably referencing smuggling opportunities over fields etc but its a matter of ease and scale)
I don't think Greggs sell guns do they?
Not yet comrade. But post-revolution they will be equipped with feared death squads of fat dinner ladies to punish transgressors who refer to casseroles with lids as pies.
they'll make ISIS look like the tellytubbies
Because there would actually be border guards and checks at the borders. (I do appreciate you are probably referencing smuggling opportunities over fields etc but its a matter of ease and scale)
Except they don't, they simply send the small moving parts by post disguised as other items and manufacture easily recognisable items such as stocks and recievers in the country of destination.
You can make an AK reciever and stock out of a spade....
When do we start building our Peace Wall then Jammers? It may take a while for it to go round the whole EU coastline though.....
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Binners, by any objective measure, that wall has succeeded in its purpose as defined by the Israelis. Secondly, if the Belgian authorities had built a wall around Molenbeek, either a year ago, or even within the last week, it is likely that many people now dead would still be alive.
The point isn't the efficacy of the wall, it's the appetite of a society to live with the implications of building one.
Currently, the situation in Europe has swung too far in one direction as a result of many factors, not least of which being wilful blindness, and a laxity/complacency that comes from being a civilisation past fighting for itself.
Between 2000 and July 2003 (completion of the "first continuous segment"), 73 suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank. However, from August 2003 to the end of 2006, only 12 attacks were carried out
You could say that wall worked and saved lives?
Whilst you lot are squabbling, 13 people are dead, dozens are injured. And there's about a thousand people crammed in a hanger not knowing how we're going to get home.
It's times like these that we make a choice on who and how we engage with our fellow man. On one hand, we can argue from a series of points of complacent ignorance.
Or, on the other, we could spare a thought for kja78 and the thousand or so others stuck in that hangar, scared and worried and not sure what's going to happen to them next.
And for those in Brussels whose loved ones went to work this morning and aren't coming home tonight. Or those now with life changing injurious who did nothing more than be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Leave the politics and wild assumptions to politicians and journalists and think about your fellow humans for just a moment.
omitn - it's possible to do both
Thanks for the thought for the day. I think you should post that on your facebook page as well.
Hora perhaps we'll start seeing #horafact soon, seems to be the STW responce when people are unable to conduct a civil doscussion / argument.
Civil discussion? With you? Is this more #jambabollox?
You could say that wall worked and saved lives?
It works. Very well in keeping the former owners of such land out of it.
omitn - it's possible to do both
IME of this place that's a very rare occurrence. And no evidence of it so far.
Though you are right.
I've had my bag x-rayed before check in at Frankfurt
Frankfurt does occasionally have enhanced security, I once went through 3 metal detectors before getting on the plane. Frankfurt is where the Lockerbie bomb got on the plane and it did seem to have higher security even before 9 11 due to that. I think it's pretty obvious why Belfast has enhanced security.
As it stands though it isn't usual practise but sadly this is likely to make it necessary at every airport.
As for targeting softer options like Metros well the impact is limited to a city, a couple of coordinated attacks on terminals in Europe and you could see chaos in the whole aviation industry. As for armed police they can do nothing about someone walking in with a bomb. And have you ever watched them operate at an airport, usually in twos or threes always walking round in a nice tight little bunch offering no cover to each other. If I've noticed that you can bet your average terrorist has also noted it.
It works. Very well in keeping the former owners of such land out of it.
I guess that means we'll be handing over the occupied territories of Al-Andalus over to ISIS then? 🙂
The point isn't the efficacy of the wall, it's the appetite of a society to live with the implications of building one.
It's taken over 12 years to build around 300 miles.
Currently, the situation in Europe has swung too far in one direction as a result of many factors, not least of which being wilful blindness, and a laxity/complacency that comes from being a civilisation past fighting for itself.
Maybe the answer is to recapture that old spirit eh?
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As for targeting softer options like Metros well the impact is limited to a city, a couple of coordinated attacks on terminals in Europe and you could see chaos in the whole aviation industry. As for armed police they can do nothing about someone walking in with a bomb. And have you ever watched them operate at an airport, usually in twos or threes always walking round in a nice tight little bunch offering no cover to each other. If I've noticed that you can bet your average terrorist has also noted it.
And most of them apart from the specialist anti-terrorism teams will have never been in a firefight in their life, compared to Johnny terrorist who has probably spent months getting used to the act of killing people and the sound of bullets wizzing past their heads.
Seeing some top heavy short chav bird with an MP5 at a trainstation doesnt make me feel any safer.
So, is this an inevitable result of Belgiums foreign policy and their involvement in wars in the middle East?
enough of this... I want my binnertology pamphlet.
26 dead now. 🙁
@kja78 - If you want a place to stay for the night I can pick up you up (although it may be the tandem if the place is still locked down 🙂 ). Just shout
sorry to say but its already at 34 and growing
Numerous suspect devices being reported around Brussels & also one at the prison in Bruges. Let's hope they are just people being healthily cautious in reporting things.
@kja78 - same offer as Leffeboy (but no tandem) - I'm just a couple of km away if you are stuck
Scanning on entering the airport would not solve the problem, it would simply move it. The logistics of scanning everyone and their bag before they entered would simply mean people queuing outside rather than in.
@kja78 - If you want a place to stay for the night I can pick up you up (although it may be the tandem if the place is still locked down ). Just shout
Nice one Rik.
Binners the crusades were defensive. Your mockery is misplaced and stupid.
I'm not going to engage in the bickering on here.
We have Belgian IT colleagues at an office near Brussels - they may well have family working in the city itself as well.
I was going to have a bit of a go today over an issue we have been having, but I'm going to leave it until after Easter now.
Some things make you stop and think.
My thoughts are with all those affected by these vile and senseless acts.
Anyway, I'd go as far as saying that releasing hundreds of fluffy sniffer cockpoos who are trained to scream and run in every direction when they smell anything untoward....dogs that people just want to cuddle anyway... into airports......call it compasionate policing.... "welcome to Britian, you know you want to hug the cockapoo...go on...do it"..would improve safety much more than a few armed rozzers. 🙂
Nuclear power plant evacuated...
You mean, like how men are profiled if there is a serial rapist on the loose?
So you wouldn't mind being stopped and have a copper root around in your pants because you might be a rapist? Not that there's a 'serial rapist on the loose', just that you might be one.
Besides, you only have to give them a cursory sniff with a dog...oh wait...they don't like that either.
Uh oh, I'd better tell my muslim mate at work that he needs to get rid of his collie 🙄
Told you they are here to dominate not integrate.
This dominating lark, round this neck of the woods, seems mostly to take the form of living in the shithole terraced streets around decaying northern mill towns, and driving taxi's or serving kebabs to pissed people on the way home from the pub.
They really need to up their game, these muslamics Maybe with rayguns