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If you can give an example of anyone on this thread ‘almost’ going as far as to run off to a facist state in support of a group of violent extremists then fair enough..i must have missed that post.
@tpbiker, sorry, been a bit busy. @jamj1974 already gave one response, i would just add that you are arguing an action as opposed to a belief.
out of breath, I don't really disagree with anything much there, I guess where we really differ is at the emotive end of the scale. I tend to look at these things without any where as you are clearly more emotive about it.
Anyhow, not much to argue about. and fair point on the deportation.
Traitor to this country. If she ever steps foot on British soil she should be shot imo. Popular opinion, probably not. Let’s ask the parents of anyone unfortunate enough to get in Isis way. Too much of a risk and it shouldn’t have got to the stage of the news. Just get rid.
Aside from the obvious stupidity in that statement,
If it were possible and we did that, the ISIS propaganda machine would be milking it for years. It'd play right into their hands, everyone loves a good martyr.
Traitor to this country. If she ever steps foot on British soil she should be shot imo. Popular opinion, probably not.
On the contrast, it’s massively popular unfortunately.
Every comments section on the internet is full of arseholes competing to come up with the most barbaric method of dealing with what is really quite a straightforward issue.
and her child? Left to die in her belly as her life ebbs away around it? Delivered while she's still warm? Or delivered first and then the mother shot?
I know hyperbole / reductio ad absurdum but in seriousness there are others' lives here as well, and the child is a british citizen, guilty of nothing other than having a terrorist as a mother.
out of breath, I don’t really disagree with anything much there, I guess where we really differ is at the emotive end of the scale. I tend to look at these things without any where as you are clearly more emotive about it.
If there was any emotive tone in my posts it was not intentional and certainly doesn't reflect my state of mind when making the post.
and her child......You mean like the other 2 she doesn’t seem to care about losing when she talks so flippantly about her enjoyable time there.
Get rid in the quickest manner possible, it shouldn’t even be news.
The dudes frothing up about killing traitors should probably go and join Isis. They like that kind of thing.
There was no news of the missing teenager until last month, when reports emerged that Isis militants beat her to death with a hammer after catching her trying to flee the group’s Syrian stronghold of Raqqa.
No leave her their, don't let her become a recruiter over here.
But I very much doubt she’ll be allowed to keep the baby.
and her child? Left to die in her belly as her life ebbs away around it? Delivered while she’s still warm? Or delivered first and then the mother shot?
It's an innocent so will go straight to paradise according to their strongly held religion, so I don't see a problem 😕
They (fundamental islamists) certainly don't seem to have a problem killing kids for precisly that reason.
We know she claimed that she was glad an anti Isis fighter was killed because he would have raped and killed
this just shows how little faith she really has, or that she knoes she has sinned.
Being raped wouldn't have lasted long, then she would have been killed and therefore martyred and gone straight to paradise. A good trade for a little bit of suffering, surely ?
I always think this when you see all those muslims wailing and crying about their dead, surely they should be happy because they have just taken the shortcut to paradise.
I reserve my sympathy for the aetheists that have lost someone, as they know that they have gone nowhere.
Quite a lot of detail about how these people are processed here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47252164
One thing's for sure, she shouldn't be in a refugee camp- she's not a refugee, full stop, she has a place where she can legally and safely return (and she wants to go to). Those desperate few resources in the camp shouldn't be spent on her and her child.
Right here goes... Traitor to their country? She didn't join ISIS in order to attack or harm the UK, she did it to fight and support them in the Syrian civil war against the Syrian government.
She joined in 2015. In 2015, we were still supporting the anti-government forces with non-military aid and intelligence. We'd had a vote in parliament about lending military support too. Now we never directly supported ISIS but we were working directly against their biggest enemies in the area, so that was a very messy line to draw.
In late 2015, we decided that actually, the anti-government forces were baddies, and decided to enter the war on a different side.
So if the UK government was damn nearly bombing ISIS's enemies (and would have done if not defeated in the 2013 vote), how horrified can we be that someone went to fight on their side, against the Syrian government which is unquestionably awful and which the governemnt and the UK press had spent the last several years (rightly) criticising?
It's not a war with goodies and baddies or even neatly 2 sides, it's a load of awful bastards indiscriminately killing each other in a small room full of innocent bystanders. That's the bewildering background against which she chose to go to war, same as the UK. I think of all the bastards, she backed the worst but to depict that as "treason" or being anti-UK just seems absurd to me. She's never (as far as we know) done anything against the UK.
@Northwind, agree Treason would never stand up for the reasons you state. (In fact it would really amuse me if they did try to get her for Treason and she used the fact the UK had been on ISIS's side as her defence.)
However we shouldn't think that because the UK government had seriously and openly considered action to support ISIS et al against Assad that there was doubt if ISIS were the *really* bad guys in Iraq and 5 way civil war in Syria in 2015. James Foley was the first of several people beheaded starting in August 2014 and that was very widely broadcast. Numerous other atrocities had already taken place in 2015 and had been massive news stories including the famous killing/enslaving of Homosexuals, Jews & Christians. By 2015 ISIS were quite blatantly a genocidal death cult and every serious media outlet had taken that line. (I'm not suggesting you think otherwise, I just think it's worth spelling out.)
I’ve decided she should come back , especially if she can shed some light on who it was in her school or community that persuaded and assisted 4 schoolgirls to join up. Which imo is the elephant in the room.
You are aware of how the internet works, and how to use a search engine?
Thelittlesthobo
Traitor to this country. If she ever steps foot on British soil she should be shot imo. Popular opinion, probably not. Let’s ask the parents of anyone unfortunate enough to get in Isis way. Too much of a risk and it shouldn’t have got to the stage of the news. Just get rid.
It may be popular. It certainly is morally repugnant.
Regardless of who a person is, and any crime they have allegedly committed they should always receive a fair trial. It is a corner stone of our civilised society.
(Don't say "did they give that to their victims", because that is not a valid argument)
Good Observer opinion piece about this in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/17/the-observer-view-on-shamima-begum
Only about one in 10 of 400 or so British returnees from Syria have been successfully prosecuted
Shocking.
It's a boy!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47270857
The 19-year-old told Sky News from a Syrian refugee camp "a lot of people should have sympathy towards me".
"I didn't know what I was getting into when I left," she said.
She said she made a mistake "in a way" by going to Syria, but added: "I don't regret it because it's made me stronger."
Sure.
Rene59 is working really hard on getting the title of STWs most populist, reactionary, sexist... .
Well the biggest troll title was already taken...
Well, that's a turnip for the books.
How's that "stateless" thing work, again?
What a nasty little country we have become. Or maybe we always were 🙁
Govt actually doing something right for once, she should've thought about any consequences before she left to breed future terrorists, but she didn't. I am struggling to give any ****s about her
Shit. We haven't really made someone stateless have we? What the ****.
What a nasty little country we have become.
Have you seen the interviews she done the past few days?
Govt actually doing something right for once
The government breaking the law is the right thing?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/09/terror-suspect-british-nationality-illegal
Isn't it illegal to make someone stateless? Besides being morally disgraceful.
I reserve my sympathy for the aetheists that have lost someone, as they know that they have gone nowhere.
I'm an atheist but I don't know what happens to a person after death . My belief is that their soul goes on to inhabit another being . So nobody KNOWS what happens after death and religion or lack of it does not dictate your beliefs .
The government breaking the law is the right thing?
Is it a fact that she wasn't a dual national?
Isn’t it illegal to make someone stateless?
I believe so. Rights are pretty pointless if we withdraw them from people we dislike.
Tories attempting(it'll not hold up) to appease the rabid masses, who'd a thunk it.
The government breaking the law is the right thing?
In this case yes, I fully support whoever made that decision
This'll be fun in the courts.
In this case yes, I fully support whoever made that decision
Rights according to the whims of the Daily Mail brigade. What a good idea.
She not be taking her case to the ECJ ... I guess thats another benefit of Brexit
Isn’t it illegal to make someone stateless?
I thought so too. I was thinking "can open, worms everywhere." But I did a bit of digging and found this:
In January 2014, the Immigration Bill 2013–14 was introduced to extend the powers of the Home Secretary to declare certain terrorism suspects stateless.
Not quite sure how domestic law can trump International law, but there you are. I don't think we've heard the last of this by a long chalk. UNHCR anyone?
Rights according to the whims of the Daily Mail brigade. What a good idea.
She had dual citizenship
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1097943132082196485
Is it a fact that she wasn’t a dual national?
^^^this...my betting she's a dual national which i would imagine made the home secretarys decision easier as it wouldn't leave her stateless
:edit: ...and as bruneeps post, now confirmed
Relax all you woke bros, she has Bangladeshi citizenship.
Have you seen the interviews she done the past few days?
I've seen a mess of a girl who jumped off a cliff when she was too young and naive to understand what she was doing.
On the other hand when I look at Sajid Javid I see an nasty evil little man who will sacrifice whoever it takes if it advances his career by a millimetre. If someone had to be banished from the country, why can't it be him?
Relax all you woke bros, she has Bangladeshi citizenship.
Sauce?