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A recent big benefit here is that a local well-liked restauranteur who was born abroad but lived here since early childhood, has been denied re-entry after travelling abroad due to his failing to understand what paperwork he needed to complete to establish his right to remain.
The town-centre restaurant is shuttered, Brexiters are of course delighted.
Oh, actually they are not, they are blaming everyone other than themselves for this situation. ****s.
So interestingly, Badenoch has this week; both not attended the launch of the book about "75 Brexit Benefits" , she's also admitted that Brexit has been damaging to the economy. In a speech today she said:
"Adam Smith once said, “There is a lot of ruin in a nation.”
For all that is going wrong now, and let’s be honest has gone wrong in the past, nations can absorb shocks.
The financial crisis, Brexit, Covid.
Countries with strong institutions and productive people do not collapse overnight.
Even foolish policies take time to do real, lasting damage.
A crisis is serious, but it is not fatal unless governments keep repeating the mistakes.
We made mistakes in government, but we have learned from them"
I've pretty much always thought that the only way we'd ever get back into the EU - I doubt there's ever going to be another referendum (I could be wrong though), is when all the main political parties have a manifesto commitment to re-join. This is a couple of baby steps in that direction.
It certainly feels like something is shifting. We always said the shit would have to hit the fan before it would be considered, perhaps that's what's happening?
Or maybe Labour's plan was always to let the inevitable happen and then gradually bring the idea in? It's certainly plausible since we know the EU always had cross party support.
I'd come to this thread specifically to say that a Brexit benefit I'd found was that since I live in the EU, I could use the fact that I don't have non-EU winter sports cover on my travel insurance to get out of going ice skating at a godawful Christmas market when I'm back over the water.
Hopefully Starmer s polling will get so bad that he will start placating us normal people and just do a customs union.
He can always blame Russia
I think the longer they leave it , the less chance you will ever rejoin.
The strategy is you don’t miss what you didn’t have.
Theres another 4 years of Keir/ Labour and then another 5 years of Farage/hung Parliament so nearly a decade (give or take a few years) before there’s an opening for a party willing to float rejoin.
Anyway who’s buying the book to see what the 75 benefits are 🙂
I think the longer they leave it , the less chance you will ever rejoin.
You've not talked to any 20 to 40 year olds recently have you? We won't be allowed back until there's a political consensus and some stability. The choice is currently not ours to make.
Theres another 4 years of Keir/ Labour and then another 5 years of Farage/hung Parliament so nearly a decade (give or take a few years) before there’s an opening for a party willing to float rejoin.
I think we need to factor in Trump/USA announcement on thier foreign policy and approach to Europe. The old 'special relationship' is dead. Toast. In fact, possibly turning aggressive unless we toe someone else's line.
Watch for a slow and awkward re-start to the great European Union project and a pivot away from USA. UK is about to find itself very, very alone I think.
I can imagine someone is lining himself up to be Governor Farage of the 51st state
You've not talked to any 20 to 40 year olds recently have you? We won't be allowed back until there's a political consensus and some stability. The choice is currently not ours to make.
Exactly, as with the lauded (sic) oven ready chicken deal, its what the members of the EU think that really matters.
You've not talked to any 20 to 40 year olds recently have you? We won't be allowed back until there's a political consensus and some stability. The choice is currently not ours to make.
TBH the 20 and 40 year olds I’m surrounded with didn’t leave the EU.
The other members of the EU have the veto, just like we used to have, even if you get a government in that are for rejoin you’ve also got to have the invitation, a lot of stars have to align.
But yes that’s what I was alluding to, I think the people who pushed the vote to leave will be long gone and the people who wished to remain possibly on their way with them 🙁
Although with Russia and the Trump administration there’s no telling what could happen.
Well, we’re losing the “benefit” of being excluded from Erasmus+.
Prepare for calls of “betrayal”…
James Cleverly on the radio... complaining that we had a better deal as regards Erasmus before Brexit. No shit Sherlock.
Brexit Benefit!!!!
.....For Spain.....
c/o The Guardian today
Well - this ones novel - Asbestos for kids. Just like the old days.
When we meet the criteria for rejoining we get to be part of Schengen and adopt the Euro. A benefit for all but the finance industry.
i think this is the most recent brexit thread.
rejoin would be a popular policy and would acrue immediate economic and social benefits
labour must act
I think coming out in support of rejoining (if they'd have us obvs...) is the only way labour get to stay in power.
It also has the benefit of putting Nigel Frogface in a bit of a spot.
He'll have to come out against it which means explaining why still thinks its still a good idea contrary to all evidence and why the torys didnt do it right...they very same torys that are now in reform.
I think coming out in support of rejoining (if they'd have us obvs...) is the only way labour get to stay in power.
There's plenty that would be even more infuriated.
At this point I'm resigned to the fact that we're looking at Prime Minister Farage come the next GE. And gods help us all when that happens.
There's plenty that would be even more infuriated.
Not what the polls say - massively in favour of rejoin. It would be a massively popular policy. Yes there would be discontent from the far right, their followers and the far right propaganda organs masquerading as press but the general population? No
More importantly, as Johnson, Davies, Raab, et al found out, what do the EU nations think?
It's only 10 years since we said to them, get lost, we are better without you ..
I hope the pollsters are asking a meaningful question because as sandwich notes rejoin will include the euro, freedom of movent and a contribution based on being the fifth country in the world based on GDP. The 72 entry conditions and concessions Thatcher negotiated (crédit where it's due) aren't going to happen again. I'm not so sure the polls would be so clearly pro europe if people knew rejoining means freedom of movement, probably more that 350 million for the NHS, all those pesky foreigners back and the Euro in their pocket.
Euro can be fudged as it has been in other countries but yes we will not get such favourable terms again - its still in the national interest to rejoin
Absolutely, TJ, it was never in the national interest to leave. Now you just have to convince everyone that understands that to vote for an overtly pro-European party and send a clear message to the politicians:
We're sick of your racist, xenophobic anti-immigrant messaging and will vote for a party that is committed to taking us back into Europe. That isn't Starmer's Labour party any more than Reform. Its Green or Lib Dem in England and ironically you can add the nationalists in Wales and Scotland (unless I've misread something)
ironically you can add the nationalists in Wales and Scotland (unless I've misread something)
YOu are correct. Its not ironic tho- its a core part of the civic nationalism. Internationalism
The 72 entry conditions and concessions Thatcher negotiated (crédit where it's due) aren't going to happen again.
Exactly
both predictable and predicted. eu immigrants generally came over on their own and went home after a few years. now we are taking developing nations folk who bring their families and stay.
we need immigration to provide a workforce
Do the developing nations not need their highly skilled doctors and engineers?
Or perhaps you mean we need a work force to do low paid, dirty and unpleasant jobs our own people don’t want to do. Kind of like a underclass.
I dunno, you tell us. We didn’t vote to replace freedom of movement in Europe with drawing more people in from “developing nations” instead. The existing mix of workers from European and Commonwealth countries was working pretty well in many industries and services 10 years ago, IMHO.
Do the developing nations not need their highly skilled doctors and engineers?
Or perhaps you mean we need a work force to do low paid, dirty and unpleasant jobs our own people don’t want to do. Kind of like a underclass.
both are true and its disgusting we are stripping developing nation of medical staff
we however need to import workers to support our aging population in all sorts of work. unless we do so we do not have enough working age folk
Lack of tariffs on Chinese EV's surely has to be a Brexit benefit that I'm pretty sure some stw members have taken on board.
Well we escaped the German empire.
its disgusting we are stripping developing nation of medical staff
There is both a push and pull for foreign workers in the NHS. The NHS is still overwhelmingly UK workers - 79%, then the next biggest is Asia (including India and ****stan) - 10%, the EU at 5%, then Africa - (which for the NHS is mostly Nigeria). - 4%. I don't think there's actually many developing countries that can say that the UK is systematically pillaging it's healthcare workforce. Not least, the fact that often their qualifications aren't directly transferable.
Lack of tariffs on Chinese EV's surely has to be a Brexit benefit that I'm pretty sure some stw members have taken on board.
Probably. It would be nice to have more of an EV industry in the UK though, but I think that ship sailed with... Brexit.
Every now and then, the VAT man forgets to charge me UK VAT on goods bought Ex VAT from the EU. Still.
More than half of Britons support rejoining EU 10 years on from Brexit vote
TBF the car manufacturing industry in the UK was on it's arse a long time before brexit.
are we stripping medical staff away from other nations or are they training with a view to coming to the UK? (the latter is fine with me BTW. i remember being shocked how little electronics engineers or toolmakers were being paid in portugal 15 years ago for instance)
https://iandunt.substack.com/p/rejoin-is-coming-8aa
fingers crossed.
we are stripping much needed staff from developing nations whereas we used to take surplus nurses from spain
Meanwhile, over at the Daily Mail,
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/daily-mails-brexit-poll-goes-hilariously-wrong-405288/
The NHS is still overwhelmingly UK workers - 79%
