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I’ll give as much credence to your brexit guff as I did to your trump election fraud conspiracy nonsense
Wasn't it 5thElefeant who was saying that it's always the left that is violent and that he doubted the American right would display anything remotely like the BLM protests?
Harhahahaahaha
What a tool.
Ok, so increased opportunities for woman who charge men for companionship
A wee opportunity for CMOT Dibbler there! Sossageinabun
What a tool.
+1 and not just for that, for the other rubbish he spouts and then never comes back.
Wasn’t it 5thElefeant who was saying that it’s always the left that is violent and that he doubted the American right would display anything remotely like the BLM protests?
They haven’t. 200+ days of rioting in Portland alone. Billions of dollars of property burned to the ground across the US. But that was fine...
What happened in Washington? Two windows broken and a rubbish bin tipped over (other protestors tidied that up). So they put 30,000 troops on the street!
The myth of the second amendment and right wing militias is well and truly bust.
+1 and not just for that, for the other rubbish he spouts and then never comes back.
I had no idea my insightful insights were so welcome.
I’m sorry to say I only skim political threads on occasion. They’re invariably just an echo chamber of the permanently terrified and offended.
that is utter bollox and you must know it.
that is utter bollox and you must know it.
Have a look at the Portland riots (I lost count after 200 days) then tell me that again.
Yup - total nonsense from someone so blinded by ideology that he cannot see what staring him in the face
Lets see you data for 200 days of riots in portland.
5 people including two cops killed at the capitol riot.
As UK businesses spend the rest of the year adapting to extra paperwork, tariffs, IT system changes… while struggling to get the information and support they need from government agencies lost at see… and the public prepares for the higher prices and taxes heading their way… let’s remember one of the many occasions where a Vote Leave minister had to learn on the job what the likely effects of their policy choices would be…
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1022422994222809088?s=21
I’m sorry to say I only skim political threads on occasion. They’re invariably just an echo chamber of the permanently terrified and offended.
So you just come in to troll basically. How much of what you write do you actually believe or is it all just to get a rise?
Farewell and thanks for all the (unsellable) fish.
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1350783230627164167?s=21
Good riddance Carswell. Never come back.
disapointed by lack of "Boris is a shellfish c***" or similar slogans.
Cod diplomacy?
Writing it on the side of a truck was a mistake, government have previous on ignoring such things.
Shame they've not taken a lesson off the French and dumped a truck worth of a rotting, 3 day old catch on the steps of Westminster
+1 on bags rotting shellfish thrown over into No10 garden for the next month or so...
Totally predictably, brexit is proving to be the shit sandwich it was widely predicted to be; pure, unadulterated UK shit.
johnson's polyps continue to regurgitate the '...teething troubles' line'; teething troubles, my arse.
They are presiding over the wilful destruction of UK goods trade with the EU; as for services, they have ceded control to the EU through ignorance, arrogance and their disinterest in doing a deal.
Welcome to 1945.
Rickets, anyone?
My money is on Biden opening negotiations with the EU over a tariff free trade agreement before bothering with the UK - if he even bothers with the UK; why would he?
We had 4 years of talk about a great trade deal with the US; result - nothing; a big fat zero.
So you just come in to troll basically. How much of what you write do you actually believe or is it all just to get a rise?
Well he never comes back and responds when he's caught out, or to answer a question - paid for troll I reckon
AKA Fifth Columnist
Welcome to 1945
Welcome to.. when? Have we ever done anything like this before?
But that was fine
No-one's endorsing riots. Supporting BLM is not the same thing. BLM is not about rioting, but some people also riot.
Welcome to.. when? Have we ever done anything like this before?
Henry the 8th, couldn't get a divorce, thats the last time I think.
Protest in the London from fisherman:
They have been fined for breaching the Covid rules.
molgrips - post WW2 was a shit time; rebuilding an economy and society which had been shattered hence the 1945 reference.
That is the comparison.
Clearly, brexit is a self-imposed horror show without precedent.
+1 on bags rotting shellfish thrown over into No10 garden for the next month or so…
Timely:
Seafood protesters fined after descending on London
Another brexit oversight - they love shellfish on the continent, not so much in the UK and most of it is exported to Europe.
It's almost as if no business anlaysis or economic impact studies have been done.
I bet our indigenous frog face liar and self proclaimed 'saviour of the UK fishing industry' is nowhere to be seen.
post WW2 was a shit time; rebuilding an economy and society which had been shattered hence the 1945 reference.
That is the comparison.
Clearly, brexit is a self-imposed horror show without precedent.
I don't think Brexit is on the same scale as WW2
I don’t think Brexit is on the same scale as WW2, you are comparing 4-5% GDP lost to over 35% GDP
The key difference is a war on that scale is a short shock in economic terms. When it's over, we can go back to BAU, reletivley speaking.
Brexit is more like in an RPG game when someone (in this case ourselves) inflicts ourselves with a long thermal burn with added electric damage that slowly drains our resilience over a long period of time, which is potentially far more debilitating.
And we are clearly not going to get our health buff to counter it (an extra 350million per week for the NHS).
Edit
That's a shame, it's very relevant in 2021.
It was in reply to Mattyfez' comment about WW2
Don't push the comparison to 1945 too far.
1945 saw the start of the establishment of the welfare state in the UK. A direct result of the shitshow that preceded it.
If the shitshow that is Brexit could produce something as beneficial, our descendants might think Brexit wasn't all bad despite our economic suffering.
I doubt it will though.
Well the UC vote today is probably heading in the opposite direction
Yeah I don't think there are enough parallels with WW2 for that to be a useful comment. This was all self inflicted for no reason, for a start. WW2 also resulted in a huge shift to the left for nearly two generations which we aren't seeing - yet. But I suppose it might happen.
Hey, WWII was NOT my simile for comparsion. I was merley responding to a rubbish simile. Just for the record.
As you were.
molgrips
Full MemberNo-one’s endorsing riots.
I do.
ditto
The Whole point of the EU is to avoid another situtation like world war2.
Exactly mattyfez. A number of my Erasmus colleagues have reminded me of this a few times.
I've just had two proposals for interns accepted for 2021. I wrote the job descriptions this morning.
The big difference between 2020 and 2021 is that for 2021 British students were no longer eligible, unless they're living in EU or hold right to work. It's a shame, as there are some great university depts that I'd love to work with again in the UK. It's a nice way to build links with academia and learn together.
I bet the Turing scheme won't be of much help to facilitating industrial Internships
My daughter likes hearing history stories from me. So we started talking about Ireland, and the story continued right up until this week! History still happening.
Off course with all these “teething problems”, it’s easy to forget that a hell of a lot has been postponed to July… in NI, rUK and EU. We haven’t got to the really big disruptive checks and changes as regards trade yet. Something to think about when listening to any government minister gaslighting in these early months of the new normal.
I last visited the UK 18 months ago, and next time won't be until 2022 at least. Be interesting to see the changes
I last visited the UK 18 months ago, and next time won’t be until 2022 at least. Be interesting to see the changes
Same, last time I was there we stayed within sight of a dam that was about to burst and flood an entire valley - ah happy-days when that was all we had to worry about!
We were waiting to see how Brexit panned-out to plan our move back to the UK from Sydney. Well..... lets just say that talks have been postponed indefinitely (but don't tell our kids' grandparents).
I think my industry (Pharma research) is probably well insulated, and has had some fairly strong lobbying happening since 2016, but god knows what will happen to my wife's sector (universities) - and more importantly, quality of life in general in the UK, and access to opportunity for our kids.
Pretty much the same as us. It would be a big hit right in the QoL to go back. We're going to buy another house instead.
Seafood protesters fined after descending on London
Funny how our MP, John Lamont (he covers Eyemouth and across to me), has been so quiet about Brexit since the 'deal'.
Turns out they're just crap at filling in forms - aye, right. We've all got to read the detail because Johnson didn't!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html
I'm still waiting for all these mythical benefits to turn up.
HMRC are sorting guidelines for the paperwork you need to move house from the mainland to NI - some sort of goods movement license?
What an absolute **** up when you can't move within the UK without needing additional paperwork.
On checks yet to come…
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/port-liverpool-could-face-delays-19647987
Original estimates of the number of checks required annually on products of animal origin after the introduction of new regulations has been increased by DEFRA from 23,000 to 24,500.
Last year, Mersey Port Health undertook 1,946 of the equivalent inspections.
Some changes to rules around sanitation checks did come into force at the start of 2021 but Mercola Douglas, chief port health officer, said the most significant would happen in April and July.
Brandon Lewis finding out that the Jedi mind trick doesn't work when you're on the record saying something different
"These are not the customs checks you are looking for"
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1351448952177094656?s=20
I don't think government ministers can say anything about Brexit without someone finding a Johnson quote claiming the opposite. He's promised everything to someone at some point.
As for Jedi mind tricks... Raab claiming the new checks aren't due to brexit was extraordinary. Having watched all those clips of him understanding nothing about trade whatsoever in front of select committees... I wouldn't be surprised if he still believes the bullshit though... belief is easier without understanding.
If you're looking for more objective media reporting of this total shambles. german TV is presently looking on incredulously at the absolutely mind-bending stupidity of this
https://twitter.com/KrisGriffiths/status/1351471264397987840?s=20
It's going to be interesting to see how long the government is going to stick to it's 'teething problems' line when things are forecast to get a lot worse, as companies had stockpiled pre-Brexit.
This is the new normal. The only way things will get any easier is with a complete renegotiation of the 'deal'
I can imagine the gales of laughter that request would be met with in Brussels, not that this shower of incompetents would ask for it. They'll sit and watch UK businesses fold rather than admit that this whole thing is, as predicted, a complete disaster
400 pages of export documents for one ferry transport
Its entirely reasonable to expect some changes and teething problems, but the reality is these are far beyond teething problems. This will never go away (until we rejoin) and the damage done in the interim will kill off many businesses and potentially industries
Need to remember uk isn’t imposing checks till July and “dodgy”pallets aren’t yet being blocked. Familiarity might help processing the forms, the forms aren’t going away and the checks are going to get stricter.
I think very much this
It’s going to be interesting to see how long the government is going to stick to it’s ‘teething problems’ line when things are forecast to get a lot worse, as companies had stockpiled pre-Brexit.
My local supermarket is still well stocked here in the SW, each weekly shop this year everything on the shopping list has been on the shelves. The empty shelves in NI or issues in Kent are out of sight and out of mind to joe public here, I would expect most the general public are the same, till nationwide shortages occur and everyone is impacted people wont register that maybe Brexit was bad
It’s going to be interesting to see how long the government is going to stick to it’s ‘teething problems’ line when things are forecast to get a lot worse, as companies had stockpiled pre-Brexit.
In 6 to 12 months any business not viable under the new system will have gone bust and will not therefore be in a position to kick up a fuss, rather like everything else that the government mess up they just need to sit it out until it falls out of the news.
If you don't understand business in the first place, you won't understand the impacts, or how they will be passed onto you. People will moan about availability, prices and quality... but they won't blame Brexit... they will blame business. Give it a few years, and the "ripoff Britain" stories will start in the press again, with no reference to the Single Market or the Customs Union.
If you don’t understand business in the first place, you won’t understand the impacts
Referring to Johnson?
The "teething problems" will mature in the "obstructive EU" as the government push the blame on the EU. After all, it can't possibly be our fault that things haven't got better, can it?
Referring to Johnson?
Well, it applies to Raab and Truss. With Johnson, I honestly think he does understand, he's just a very accomplished and brazen self interested serial liar.
Just had the inevitable email regarding delivery delays due to brexit from head office, the same head office that had UkIP in to speak to employees before the referendum 🙄
Well, it applies to Raab and Truss.
I think we can lump most of the Brexiteers in with them. Utter dimwits who clearly have not the remotest understanding of how globalised international trade works. Expecting these morons to negotiate a trade deal fit for purpose is like asking me to conduct triple-bypass heart surgery
It was only ever going to end one way. Unfortunately, I think that, as most businesses have actually done a lot of preparation into Brexit, what we're seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg, and there's much scarier stuff on its way down the line. How long before big manufacturing plants have to start shutting down as they run out of parts? It's in the post, that's for sure
In 6 to 12 months any business not viable under the new system will have gone bust and will not therefore be in a position to kick up a fuss,
And people can't really kick up a fuss now. The seafood truck drivers protesting at Westminster the other day all got fined for breaking COVID restrictions. I bet Rees-Mogg thought that was delicious. The ****.
This is the reality of the 'frictionless trade' that Boris Johnson promised
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1351511829672030209?s=20
That doesn't look like 'teething problems' to me. That looks like an entire industry that is absolutey ****ed!
done fish, and now
meat, I can't find the article but apparently there are lorries in the Netherlands that have been there for over a week trying to get through customs. I guess it'll be landfill?
meat, I can’t find the article but apparently there are lorries in the Netherlands that have been there for over a week trying to get through customs. I guess it’ll be landfill?
Perhaps (unless it's frozen) but if they've been sitting around for a week, what about all the other stuff they were meant to be transporting during that time? What about their employers who aren't getting paid for those deliveries?
Kwasi Kwarteng one of the authors of Brittania unchained and now business secretary admits that workers rights are going to be reviewed
Lying shite
Workers rights were always going to get thrown under the brexit bus.
37 hour week, minimum wage, it's all on the line and the cons are not going to make it better for the wage slaves, many of who voted for them. It's a really sad refection on UK society.
It'l be private health insurance next, whilst still paying tax on your wages for nhs.
It’l be private health insurance next, whilst still paying tax on your wages for nhs.
Too obvious, social care, it's been talked about for a long time, everyone agrees there is a problem. Obvious solution compulsory insurance.
Workers rights were always going to get thrown under the brexit bus.
One of the fundamental reasons for Brexit. Our kids generation won't be enjoying payed holidays, maternity pay, sick pay, employers pension contributions, minimum wage or a limit on working hours. This lot are literally chomping at the bit to get rid of the lot.
And Covid gives them even more of an excuse to get on with it as quickly as possible under cover of the perfect storm
Kwasi Kwarteng one of the authors of Brittania unchained and now business secretary admits that workers rights are going to be reviewed
Reviewed? They've known exactly what they were going to do for the last 20 years once their moment arrived. No 'review' necessary. Everyone with anything between their ears (last official count - 48%) knows exactly whats coming
Utterly depressing report from Lewis Goodall from select committee today… if you like music, I suggest reading it all…
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1351511805508648961?s=21
Kelvin - the EU offered visa free travel for musicians if the UK would reciprocate. Johnsons cabal refused to do so
It’l be private health insurance next, whilst still paying tax on your wages for nhs.
It's easy, just like they made company's auto enrol people into private pension schemes.
Sell it off the back of helping out the NHS on the back of Covid.
the EU offered
Yes, I know, and much of that depressing Twitter thread is about exactly that.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1351517018089009152?s=20
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1351518113385369601?s=20
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1351522129200734209?s=20
I guess the ommission means that carnets will be needed to travel to NI .
The omission from her probably means she has no idea. Like most ministers, she has no idea what Johnson and Gove have signed us up to.
Nor do Johnson and Gove
So not only have the Tories screwed-over the fisherman of Banff and Buckie, they're failed to get the punitive tariffs removed that the US imposed on whisky as part of the spat with the EU and Airbus. I expect the distillers and fisherfolk of Moray won't be rushing out to vote Tory. Never mind, the farmers with their fresh beef and lamb will be looking forward to getting their exports ready...