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Except that Britain was the leading campaigner for the abolition of the tampon tax within the EU.
While at the same time Tories voted against scrapping the tax in 2015.
Something this numpty who voted against it seems to have forgotten.
https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1344961954616586240?s=19
happened, yet some seem unwilling to accept it, well tough shit, it is what it is.
Indeed so - those Brexiters in Essex and Cornwall should just shut up and stop complaining.
You can either be productive and see how this situation can be turned for the better (somehow) or keep moaning and bitching like neurotic teenagers. Unless remainers toughen up we’ll have another 20 years of uninterrupted Tory governments.
There's a difference between saying "this is shit" and nevertheless doing what you can to make your situation the best you can, and pretending that it's all a happy life of sunshine and cheap tampons.
You get under a classic built US beast and find a Lada engine with a bit of a scaffolding pole for a prop shaft.
Welcome to BrexitbritainCarRepairs.co
Not sure we can apply the same technique to a Nissan Micra?
There’s a difference between saying “this is shit” and nevertheless doing what you can to make your situation the best you can, and pretending that it’s all a happy life of sunshine and cheap tampons.
This.
Unless remainers toughen up we’ll have another 20 years of uninterrupted Tory governments.
I don't see the logic behind this assertion.
You're assuming that remainers are crying into their pillows and presumably won't be going to work or trying to solve any problems that arise. But of course we will, its our job, and its our futures at stake just as much as yours. We will work to fix things - it'll be mostly remainers picking up the pieces, because I suspect most business leaders voted remain.
Remainers are tough already, we will have to be because we have to carry on despite our cherished rights and our identities having been trashed for the sake of empty jingoistic sentiment. I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with this statement. It's no better than the knee-jerk bitterness you are complaining about.
And in any case, pointing out the stupidity of Brexit is working. Just check out the polls with questions like "Do you think Britain was right to vote to leave?" or "If there were another referendum today how would you vote?"
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baboonz
Free MemberActually, **** it. Stay salty. I’m done with this thread for a while.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
Don’t worry, I will, I’m currently basking in the salty tears of brexiteers. The saltiness should stay for quite a while.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village
But just minutes away, beyond the famous white cliffs, the sense of fury over Brexit was palpable as local residents came to terms with a government letter they received on New Year’s Eve telling them that from summer, their rural idyll of farmland and ancient Roman ways would be transformed into a customs clearance lorry park for 1,200 trucks.
So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy. Admittedly all by one deranged poster but even so it's illustrative that the others on here haven't disagreed or responded to point out how ridiculous that is. Is that really where the remain argument is heading? It's embarrassing.
They are filling the thread with jokey comparisons, while we wait for you to tell us what exactly Labour should be cheerleading, and why they shouldn’t seek to improve on our new arrangements with the other countries of Europe.
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So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy.
“To think out a problem is not unlike drawing a caricature. You have to exaggerate the salient point and leave out that which is not typical. "To illustrate a principle," says Bagehot, "you must exaggerate much and you must omit much." As to the quantity of absolute truth in a thought: it seems to me the more comprehensive and unobjectionable a thought becomes, the more clumsy and unexciting it gets. I like half-truths of a certain kind — they are interesting and they stimulate” - Eric Hoffer
So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy. Admittedly all by one deranged poster but even so it’s illustrative that the others on here haven’t disagreed or responded to point out how ridiculous that is. Is that really where the remain argument is heading? It’s embarrassing.
Didn't you flounce just a page ago?
Anyway, if I were you I'd be embarrassed at not being able to recognise a reductio ad absurdum argument.
Daz, we're just filling the time whilst you list the policies we can set and how they outweigh all the negatives. Given how long you've had I'm getting quite excited at the obviously huge list of positives you'll have for us to get behind and cheerlead.
I agree Brexit happened. It’s over. It was bloody stupid and will hurt those least well off. I’ll be fine. But I am still angry.
However time to move on.
#Rejoin
Reductio ad absurdum can be a valid technique.
Not sure we can apply the same technique to a Nissan Micra?
Use Bigger Hammer
Works with the magic three words. Sorted.
<p lang="en" dir="ltr">He made a promotional video for UKIP. Wonder how many people he told "You lost get over it" before his orders started to dry up bc of the Brexit catastrophe he voted for. pic.twitter.com/O00325KQLk</p>— Britgirl Explains Brexit #FBPE (@MarieAnnUK) December 30, 2020
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Hahahahahahahaha.
Arrrrrhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahjajajajjajajajajajajajajajaaaa.
More great news:
https://www.dutchbikebits.com/shipping
Brexit
Unfortunately, we will not be able to send parcels to the UK from mid December 2020 onward. Quite apart from uncertainty surrounding the shipping cost, taxation etc. after that time, there is also a problem caused by the British government deciding to impose a unique taxation regime which will require every company in the world in every country in the world outside the UK which exports to the UK to apply and collect British taxes on behalf of the British government. For providing this service they intend to charge a fee to every company in the world in every country in the world which exports to the UK. Clearly this is ludicrous for one country, but imagine if every country in the world had the same idea. If every country decided to behave in the same way then we would have to pay 195 fees every year, keep up with the changes in taxation law for 195 different countries, keep accounts on behalf of 195 different countries and submit payments to 195 tax offices in 195 different countries, and jump through whatever hoops were required to prove that we were doing all of this honestly and without any error.
Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world... except the UK.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1344205224144211969
Aaaand...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Pieyedder/status/1343994866469134344
Since he will no longer be allowed to export fresh sausages to the EU, he has decided to send them frozen instead.
"There's a really big opportunity to do premium frozen sausages for the continent," he explained. "One problem we have with sausages is that in this country at least, anything frozen is seen as down-market, not a premium product."
I suppose the EU was previously stopping him from selling frozen sausages?
So in the last page the UK has been compared to North Korea, Iran, Cuba and fascist Italy.
I'll chuck communist East Germany in there too. This is the reason there will never be a moment of national 'realisation' then 'rebirth' as a renewable-fuelled socialist utopia. Namely that the type of person who believes in a thing like Brexit is exactly the same kind of person who was getting twitchy when the Stasi archives were thrown open and not all the records had been destroyed. Curtain-twitching, petty-minded, little people who'd smile to your face while indulging their petty grievances and prejudices by informing on you to the Po-Po.
I'm sure I can get apartheid South Africa in as well if you like, lots of comparisons to made there too - supposedly pious and upstanding individuals preaching the message in (Dutch Reformed) church. Peace and goodwill to all men. So long as they look the same as you.
Didn’t you flounce just a page ago?
No I said there was nothing new to say beyond responding to abuse and pointless ranting. The posts since then pretty much prove my point. If anyones got anything new to say beyond the usual hyperbolic nonsense then go for it.
Oakleymuppet has to be a raybanwomble👊 is that you Tom? Do I win a prize?
Therefore from mid December 2020 onward we ship to every country in the world… except the UK.
There's a major failure of logic in that statement, outlined by the above quote. They should have simply said "we will not sell to UK until we work out how to."
Oakleymuppet has to be a raybanwomble👊 is that you Tom? Do I win a prize?
Have you only just realised? Figures.
No I said there was nothing new to say beyond responding to abuse and pointless ranting.
Ah the classic "asking me for evidence is abuse" subject change, I was waiting for that one.
@exsee if you’ve only just realised that then yes you win a prize, the wooden spoon 🤣
No I said there was nothing new to say beyond responding to abuse and pointless ranting.
So. Labour. You say they should now be cheerleaders for the benefits of Brexit. You say they should not propose to seek to improve on the arrangements signed off on last year (despite those arrangements having a process where they are to be reviewed and revised soon after the next general election).
1) While “cheerleading”, which are the benefits that will be pointed to, who will get those benefits, and how?
2) If only one party at the election has zero proposals to improve on our relationship with the rest of Europe, what will the media and voters make of that?
No abuse. No ranting. Seeking more information as regards you assertions.
Ah the classic “asking me for evidence is abuse” subject change, I was waiting for that one.
It's been a trick of the Brexies since 24th June 2016. The really sad thing is most of them still think it is clever.
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Hahah that dutch bike shops response is fantastic. What are the implications of the new tax regime for the rest of the world then? Are we seeing other non-eu businesses pulling out of the uk market?
More great news:
https://www.dutchbikebits.com/shipping
/blockquote>That’s an opportunity for someone here to act as UK intermediary thou so be more positive.
Ha ha ha ha hahaha!
More to pop in the folder marked "You couldn't make this shit up".
Absolutely ****ing marvellous. Brexit really is the multi-layered fail of all fails.
Just put yourself in the position of the average man on L'Omnibus De Paris or Das Omnibus aus Munchen. If you aren't pointing, laughing and shaking your head you ain't doing it right.
Fiasco.
That’s an opportunity for someone here to act as UK intermediary thou so be more positive.
How much does that add to the price, though?
Hahah that dutch bike shops response is fantastic. What are the implications of the new tax regime for the rest of the world then? Are we seeing other non-eu businesses pulling out of the uk market?
If we are, then isn't that a positive for uk based bike shops? Customers previously buying from the EU will have limited options to do so. So logically, customers will be paying more but will be supporting a uk business?
Hahah that dutch bike shops response is fantastic. What are the implications of the new tax regime for the rest of the world then? Are we seeing other non-eu businesses pulling out of the uk market?
They’re not in the U.K. market thou, just a shop that would send you stuff as their was no difference in sending it to the village next door or the U.K. or frictionless trade if you want a proper term.
They now have to figure out if your business is worth the hassle.
How much does that add to the price, though?
Just think of it as sovereignty tax 🙂
Yes, UK distributors will be a growth area. A bit limited on scale/ambition for the distributors based here, and will effect availability, supply, choice and cost to UK consumers, but there are opportunities for some businesses, for sure. Carving up markets into smaller ones, with new barriers between them, will be an opportunity for some (but negative for most). This why the “who and how” bit is important, when looking at the new opportunities ahead.
So logically, customers will be paying more but will be supporting a uk business?
Or it just prices more people out of the sport....
Or people bend broken stuff back into a partially working state more. Which isn't a bad thing per se, but doesn't benefit the economy.
Or groups of riding chums send a mate on a 'components-cruise' every six months to a conveniently sited bike parts warehouse just outside Calais.
Aussiebum , Australian pant company were collecting the U.K. tax which stopped you getting hammered with U.K. handling charges way before Brexit so it is possible for companies to do it if they see a value.
It’s nothing new.
Or groups of riding chums send a mate on a ‘components-cruise’ every six months to a conveniently sited bike parts warehouse just outside Calais.
Nope as you’ll be subject to allowances and customs checks or your smuggling.
Booze cruises are dead in the water.
Shimano di batteries would be easy to smuggle though, I wouldn’t want to try a rear mech though.
It’s nothing new.
It’s mandatory not optional now (below a certain threshold). That very much is new, and applies to all companies in all countries.
It’s mandatory not optional now (below a certain threshold). That very much is new, and applies to all countries.
Agree, I think they took the opportunity to tighten it up on the loopholes.
No more cheap cassettes from Taiwan 🙂
Shimano di batteries would be easy to smuggle though, I wouldn’t want to try a rear mech though.
You just need to believe, man.
Now lube up and hum Land of Hope and Glory whilst you try to force a rear mech and cassette into your rectum!
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No more cheap cassettes from Taiwan
For me it’s more about buying things that aren’t held in stock in the UK that’ll be the issue, not just saving money… but now you mention it… prepare for years of complaints about “Rip Off Britain” in years to come.
I'm thinking there could well be possibilities here in Spain for me to set up a go-between business between the EU and the UK - as mentioned above though, how do you earn a living from it without making the final price prohibitive?
I've already been asked once or twice to act as a "home away from home" for friends coming here from South Africa who want to have stuff delivered from Germany and Ireland for them to pick up when they visit.....
Maybe I should just breed Glass-Eels now that the Brexiter mentioned above can't export to the EU 🙂
prepare for years of complaints about “Rip Off Britain” in years to come.
Repackaged as “opportunities for British retailers” apparently. Yeah - opportunities to rip us off.
None of those options seem particularly realistic to me dannyh. In the world of "buy it now", people will just drop bikediscount from their favourites and source from the uk instead. You will note that i agree this single, hypothetical change will still be a negative overall, as prices rise.
friends coming here from South Africa who want to have stuff delivered from Germany and Ireland
The South Africa example is a special case… it is VERY expensive to deliver to there right now.
I’m thinking there could well be possibilities here in Spain for me to set up a go-between business between the EU and the UK – as mentioned above though, how do you earn a living from it without making the final price prohibitive?
Fast boat under cover of darkness playing in the air tonight 🙂
Or a wheel barrow smuggler.
Anyway they’re supposed to be getting the Brexit benefits not us 🙂
(Bit of disclosure, I may have parachuted out)
Not just expensive, thanks to the crime-in-transit it's pretty much just not an option.
Wheelbarrows of dirt . . . . one a day!
That’s an opportunity for someone here to act as UK intermediary thou so be more positive.
How much does that add to the price, though?
A lot. If large companies that have huge economies of scale are having to ramp up prices 10-20% doing it in-house imagine how much extra cost would be added by a separate company having to do it and make their profit. Think of Direct Sales on bikes vs your LBS, that kind of price difference is the reailty.
Maybe I should just breed Glass-Eels now that the Brexiter mentioned above can’t export to the EU 🙂
Glass eels are destined for the Asian market surely?
I thought he said he was exporting to all over the EU?
He did. He was.
There’s a major failure of logic in that statement, outlined by the above quote. They should have simply said “we will not sell to UK until we work out how to.”
It's easy enough for them to remove the words off their webpage, but maybe they just wanted to show the UK the 'finger'?
RichPenny
Full MemberNone of those options seem particularly realistic to me dannyh. In the world of “buy it now”, people will just drop bikediscount from their favourites and source from the uk instead.
Which isn't always possible- a bunch of the stuff I've bought from bikediscount etc wasn't available in the UK (whether not brought in at all by the importers, or just not in stock- looking at you here Maxxis)
I think we might be surprised by how often "not so easy to buy stuff from europe" could turn into "just can't really get the thing I want".
I bought a bike from Germany just before Christmas. Couldn't find stock of what I wanted in the UK. It's almost as if being able to serve a larger market and source from more companies without barriers might help shops have better stock availability.
Also bought a PS4 joystick from Czech a few months ago. No UK stock anywhere. And just before New Year bought some Schwalbe Pro One from the Netherlands - my last duty free EU purchase. Again, no UK stock. I fancied a new winter jersey too but no stock in the UK of what I want. Maybe I'll check the Euro stores just to see.
I'm going to jump in as an uneducated (GCSEs only) lifelong retail/low wage worker and wait to be corrected on what I'm about to say....
In the EU the UK made over 99% of it's laws. The other less than 1% we had a hand in designing and implementing. So "sovrinty" was a load of bull
In the EU we had the option to control immigration and only make benefits/social housing available to migrants after a qualifying period. It's no fault of the EU that we didn't do this.
Out of the EU the UK service industry can trade in the EU, but must abide by the individual country's regulations rather than being automatically granted access, thus proving that the UK had "sovrinty" over that 80% of GDP.
Out of the EU the current government has the option to remove the working time directive, meaning it is possible for employers to force low paid workers to work more than the currently regulated 48 hours, along with offering less paid holiday or even removing paid holiday completely over time.
Within the EU my daughter would have grown up being able to study, work and live in 27 other countries with no barriers. Outside it she will be able to study in the US, but only if she can afford it. Other countries MAY be available to her but funding will again be very limited.
Outside the EU we have "free trade" on goods, but now there are import duties on some and more paperwork, thus increasing the manpower involved and the cost price meaning end user prices going up.
So.... as I have done since I voted remain, I'll ask "what are the benefits of Brexit?"
What a surprise. Corporations in valuing larger markets shocker.
But I thought Britain was amazin and we had everything that wot better than everwun else.
So…. as I have done since I voted remain, I’ll ask “what are the benefits of Brexit?”
If you stop whining and decide to make a go of it then you could pull your socks up, start (say) an online business (drop ship patriotic stuff that was actually made in Chinuh) ie selling mugs, teeshirts, etc.
I’d suggest that either St George’s flags or ‘Remainer’s Tears’* would look perfect on a mug at this time in history. Follow the demand.
Make Brexiters happy instead of making yourselves miserable? Maybe it will catch on and you’ll soon be happier once you see the cash rolling in from the mugs.
Be sure to print ‘designed in England’ on their back-sides. Which is actually tru because you typed it out all by yourself (and chose from a few fonts) when you were ordering.
Bingo. Cash in. Lovely money and no need to pay foreign workers to do a job that you can do by yourself. There’s a benefit right there.
You’ll need a business name/brand.
‘Proper Mugs’
(My commission is negotiable, please PM)
Corporations in valuing larger markets shocker.
Corporations can work within multiple segmented markets far easier than SMEs.
Consumers are the ones most hit by making buying direct from abroad harder.
There’s a major failure of logic in that statement, outlined by the above quote. They should have simply said “we will not sell to UK until we work out how to.”
They have worked out how to. They have decided that it isn't worth their bother. They are further pointing out what a ****ing stupid idea it is, unless the UK government is deliberately trying to reduce imports, particularly from small businesses without lots of back office support, as a global system that operated on this basis would be unworkable.
So no, not a failure of logic, more pointing out brexit related stupidity. Sounds like they are pro-EU though so are obviously guilty of wrongthink and can safely be ignored by all loyal brexitards.
maybe they just wanted to show the UK the ‘finger’?
Why not? I do and I have to live here.
Unfortunately 17 odd million people decided the country I liked living in wasn't insular enough.
So.... Low priced jellied eels, Trotter Independent Traders and smuggling.
WHAT A TIME TO etc, etc. something.
Quick question/s guys!
Buying something say for £50 from an EU seller, hypothetically. The seller might be an individual or a company.
Where will any extra fees be paid? I'm guessing my end upon delivery, or upon a letter from customs?
Would an individual in the EU selling a second hand bike part (say) have to fill out extra paperwork etc etc meaning they just might exclude UK buyers?
Thanks guys.
We must remember that “trade and economics” really are secondary in all this, really.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/opinion/britain-brexit-europe-germany.html
Would an individual in the EU selling a second hand bike part (say) have to fill out extra paperwork etc etc meaning they just might exclude UK buyers?
They can just bump up the postage to cover their courier completing the paperwork for them. Personally, my Ebay sales have always been EU wide, because the costs of doing so were clear. Will wait for the dust to settle, and all costs known, before doing so again. Couriers should all be clearer on the costs involved by end of Q2 this year I suspect. They are vague right now.
I've pinched this one from a few pages back but it seems a relevant joke for the here and now.
Checks how UK voted in the ref.
Hahaha, suck it up peepoles
(If it works for Sunderland/Kent etc well you know👍)
We must remember that “trade and economics” really are secondary in all this, really.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/opinion/britain-brexit-europe-germany.html/blockquote >
Lovely written piece, I have to say I hear this from many friends who have chosen to make the UK their home it must send them to despair.
As an Englishman, obviously I cannot understand how they feel even though my wife is French. But I see the despair in her daily. She came to the UK 32 years ago with the Erasmus scheme and then returned to the UK after her degree to become a teacher. These people contributed to society paid their way only not to be told that they are now second class citizens and can stay as long law remains the same. How would you feel about that? And on top of that, she has never claimed benefits, never been able vote in a general election was not given a voice in the referendum.
It is a travesty
It’s easy enough for them to remove the words off their webpage, but maybe they just wanted to show the UK the ‘finger’?
Why? They are a business. Petulence shouldn't even come into it.
That NYT piece makes me want to weep. Or smash something up.
Brexit is a repudiation of progress, or at least what we used to consider progress.
An utterly retrograde step. Economically, politically, behaviourally.
The rest of the world is, rightly, either laughing at us, shaking their heads, or both.
And yet Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (man of the people) will use the deserved ridicule as a way to prop up his english nationalism. Portraying the rest of the grown up world as being anti-British. And the same pillocks will lap it up.
It is disgusting.
Why? They are a business. Petulence shouldn’t even come into it.
Petulance came into it years ago when Easyjet stipulated the "Barclays fat cat tax" separately from airport tax on the cost of flights from Luton. It served to highlight something silly that really shouldn't have been
Why? They are a business. Petulence shouldn’t even come into it.
It might be a publicity thing, who knows...
But if a bunch of nobheads do something stupid and play themselves into a position to be ridiculed then those nobheads can't be surprised when they get held up to ridicule.
Brexit diminishes us as a nation. I suppose we could ask nicely, but we won't. And anyway 'our' conduct over the past 4 years has been disgraceful. Sending unsigned letters like some smartarsed little shit in year seven. Carrying on like a bunch of yobs threatening to break international law. Stuff like that has consequences.
Expecting appeasement for our national far-right experiment is a bit rich, given the history.
And on top of that, she has never claimed benefits, never been able vote in a general election was not given a voice in the referendum
Fairly sure she could claim citizenship after that amount of time being settled here - it’s 10 years for the non spousal route isn’t it?
I would also add that even before we actually pressed the far right button we also sent them arseholes like Farage to dick them around.
What entitles us to respect exactly?
https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1316887009198141441
William Shatner even weighed in on the tax changers - 1000 a year in fees to HMRC for the privilege.
How arrogant are the UKs political classes?
Oakleymuppet. At great expense with a horrid beurocratic process and give up her French citizenship
How arrogant are the UKs political classes?
Very. Because in recent times, every time they might have thought 'my God we will never get away with this one', the masses have stunned them by their stupidity. An 80 seat majority for a panto act piss artist who hid in a fridge to avoid scrutiny. Talk about living down to expectations...
I would also add that even before we actually pressed the far right button we also sent them arseholes like Farage to dick them around.
What entitles us to respect exactly?
I am wondering with being dicked about the last 4 years and now a fair bit of the deal is done they will start messing us about/taking their time with everything (I wouldn't blame them TBH)
I am wondering with being dicked about the last 4 years and now a fair bit of the deal is done they will start messing us about/taking their time with everything (I wouldn’t blame them TBH)
No need. De Pfeffel will renege on something in pretty short order. The ERG backed this shitty deal. Pound to a penny - this will mean De Pfeffel has tipped them the nod that he is going to be a **** about it.