At some point the real effects of the crisis will hit.
As will the 'other crisis', you know, the one you manufactured and took a bet against the effects.
Bastard.
Great post and nails a lot of stuff.
Indeed.
I remember reading an analysis of the males that display horrible toxic masculinity, your Boris's, Trumps', and Farage's. It came to what I thought was a pretty accurate conclusion
They were born into incredible privilege but in their eyes, it wasn't quite privileged enough.
To me, that would sum up a lot of the people who supported Brexit
Anyway... it looks like today is crunch day. I hope that everyone who voted to 'Take Back Control' is seeing the irony of the fact that whether we leave with some form of cobbled-together arrangement or the disaster of No Deal will be down to the whim of what Dominic Cummings decides today
They were born into incredible privilege but in their eyes, it wasn’t quite privileged enough.
That unfortunately applies to Blair as well
For example, even in the US many folk are only a couple of paychecks away from poverty.
It's no better over here, and about to get a whole lot worse!
It’s no better over here, and about to get a whole lot worse!
At least we don't get refused entry to a hospital with the words "if you can't pay **** off and die quietly, there's a good chap".
Not yet anyway.
Off-topic but:
People don't get turned away, usually, if it's an emergency. They get treatment, then they owe millions of dollars for the rest of their lives, if they make it. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcies.
What's possibly even worse than uninsured people is that most people's insurance is limited cover, so it will only pay out the first say, $60k. After that, you're on your own. And even worse than that is the fact that insurance companies try and wriggle out of their obligations at every turn if you have to make a claim. And since you are their insured property they place stipulations on things you must do to keep cover valid.
Can I just point out, for the sake of fairness that AFAIK THM was banned for his Brexit leaning transgressions.
No, it was because of the way he was arguing and not listening to mod warnings, AFAIK.
No, it was because of the way he was arguing and not listening to mod warnings, AFAIK.
To be honest, I'm still just waiting for the much-vaunted grownups to turn up to negotiations. By THM's timetable they are about three years and three months overdue....
We're not Canada, and we're not Australia... so we can all ignore Johnson's proclamation today, and prepare for the No Deal Brexit he pretended not to be delivering when he won the election with his "Oven Ready Deal" slight of hand.
WTF is an Australia deal???
WTF is an Australia deal???
Its what Dom has rebranded a No Deal crashout
They're actually going to *ing do it!
With the country's economy on its knees with the devastation of covid, they're going to chuck no deal in just to put it out of its misery
*ing beam me up! This country has officially lost its ****ing mind!!
WTF is an Australia deal???
we can buy tesco own brand biscuits in the reject shop.
He did actually say " Australia style outcome" this time - as Aus do not have a deal as such
It was always going to be the outcome. I believe deliberately but conspiracy or cockup your choice, but when you (UK )make demands that are clearly impossible and yo have been told many times over years they are impossible and refuse to budge from that then at some point reality hits and no deal is possible
I believe that Frost and co have deliberately sabotaged things any time there is prospect of a deal because they do not want one but do not want the blame either
the internal market bill was a deliberate piece of sabotage
Goodbye UK.
Goodbye UK.
Yep. Boris will resign / stand down / deliberately "lose" a vote of no confidence and waltz off with Dom into the sunset, their pockets bulging. Wouldn't be surprised to see a whole load of other hard-right ERG headbangers do the same having transferred all their assets elsewhere and bought themselves a citizenship in Monaco or some other cozy tax haven. That'll leave a near-enough dismantled Tory party sitting there squabbling like rats in a sack over who's fault it was for 3 or 4 more years while the country burns and while the Daily Wail desperately tries to blame the EU and simultaneously reassure us that we're doing brilliantly.
I'd love to be able to turn to all the Leave voters and have some smug schadenfreude except that I have no savings, no assets and no way out either so I'm stuck in the sinking ship with them. Scumbags.
"Goodbye UK" was that in a few years there will no longer be a UK. Ireland will be reunited and Scotland will be independent. Wales I am not so sure.
I can even foresee a "celtic alliance" like the old Nordic one where Scotland / ireland and Wales make a loose union inside or on the edge of the EU leaving England totally isolated
WTF is an Australia deal???
If we called it a Papua New Guinea
Style Deal or perhaps an Uzbekistan style deal that would mean the same, no deal with the EU, a “daily of statecraft” the crash pit which “no one is suggesting”. An 8% annual hist to the economy before any Covid-19 effects.
This is no doubt bang on. The UK is finished. Scottish independence and a united Ireland are surely just a formality now. In the north of England, the last few days have given us an insight into how ****ed that leaves us
https://twitter.com/Macnessie/status/1317061884948992000?s=20
Yep all ****ed now.
there is an element of stupidity from the French over this too though. But the blame firmly lies with the Westminster tories.
Good luck to Scotland and NI for the future and i wish you well. The rest of us are shafted.
looks like my thought of a company transfer to Sweden might be a good option in the future.
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This is no doubt bang on. The UK is finished. Scottish independence and a united Ireland are surely just a formality now. In the north of England, the last few days have given us an insight into how ****ed that leaves us
And what a pathetic little country we will be
He really is a lying **** isn't he.
He looks... Not quite "pleased with himself", but strangely satisfied in that speech...
I wouldn't be quite so confident. This could well be posturing - a game of brinksmanship or chicken if you like. Or in this case - holding your breath until you get what you want
And we know he is weaselly enough to cave completely then tell us all it is a marvellous outcome and just what we want.
Not over yet - next week however....
He looks… Not quite “pleased with himself”, but strangely satisfied in that speech…
It's the luxury enjoyed by those who's actions have no personal consequences
So yeh... everyone who voted for this ****s "oven ready brexit deal" how you feeling now? Perhaps like everyone else the Tories lied to us yet again. We get what we deserve never have a group of people acted with such a high level of privilege and contempt of their counterparts.... but, what else do you expect from a bunch of upper class private school white males.
I heard on a US podcast that if you were hospitalised over there for Covid for say 3 days, you'd be getting a bill for 6-7 thousand dollars, probably extra for treatment, and that's WITH medical insurance (ie extra to what the insurance company pays on your behalf).
It's obvious that this is what the Brexiters want as they and their friends can make oodles of cash out of it. What's the point of the NHS if it's not for profit?
Anyone ever seen some of the really properly rough bits of America with third world style poverty? Coming soon here....
I heard on a US podcast that if you were hospitalised over there for Covid for say 3 days, you’d be getting a bill for 6-7 thousand dollars, probably extra for treatment, and that’s WITH medical insurance (ie extra to what the insurance company pays on your behalf).
Number 1 cause of bankruptcies in the US and a fairly major cause of suicide as well.
Saved by medical treatment, bankrupted by medical treatment, shoot yourself because of the medical treatment.
May as well just take out the medical treatment bit in the middle except then no-one would be getting rich off the costs of it.
I think every patient on the NHS should get a bill at the end of their treatment outlining the full costs - every drug, every hour of doctor/surgeon/nurse time, every day you took up a bed, every X-ray. At the end it would then say - paid by the state and the taxpayer.
Pay your tax. Don't vote Tory.
Anyone ever seen some of the really properly rough bits of America with third world style poverty? Coming soon here….
I will sit here for a while longer, job, house etc, but if this carries on the way it's going I will be making use of the Irish passport and getting off this rock.
Anyone ever seen some of the really properly rough bits of America with third world style poverty? Coming soon here….
Yep and the sad thing is the majority of people that voted Tory wont have the advantage of private health care when it all goes wrong. Like a turkey voting for xmas is the phrase I would use. Its absolute joke how Boris can tell the whole country his deals "oven ready" and for us to now be in a position of a no deal Brexit is nothing short of negligence. If you voted Tory you must hang your head in shame, and realise this is all your fault!
I’ve got private health care through work, unfortunately my family doesn’t. If I’ll still have a job after the shit really hits the fan is another matter altogether...
If you voted Tory you must hang your head in shame, and realise this is all your fault!
I'm inclined to agree with this myself, but knowing some Tory/brexit voters, there is a degree of just trusting politicians to do the right thing and to know what they are doing, which to a degree is right and proper, and you could argue that it is only reasonable to assume that the newspapers are telling the truth and that the government is acting in our interests, and if this is not the case then it is only our government at fault. Am not sure you can blame voters for simply taking politicians at face value, however naive that might sound in this day and age...
So where's the Oven Ready Deal? The easiest deal in history? They need us more than we need them? Oh yes, none exist. What a complete and utter joke. I want to type more but I'd A get banned and B break the swear filter.
He looks… Not quite “pleased with himself”, but strangely satisfied in that speech…
He looks like a smug, odious **** to me who I will quite happily punch in the face until it caves in under the constant pounding I'll give it.
WTF is an Australia deal???
Nothing. Australia don't need a good relationship with the EU as they have the whole of Asia on their doorstep. We don't.
So, game over then. Bring forth the omnishambles.
I for one look forward to the breakup of the union but only because I am being selfish and hope my recent ancestry qualifies for Scottish citizenry.
an Australia deal that is good that Australia want to change it
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/australia/index_en.htm
I’m inclined to agree with this myself, but knowing some Tory/brexit voters, there is a degree of just trusting politicians to do the right thing and to know what they are doing
I had a chat with a Brexit Johnson loving colleague earlier and his response was 'at least we have a strong leader not like cornflake or trout face'.
No idea who trout face' is but that is what you are up against.
And he loves blaming the EU for negotiations going nowhere.
I bet it'll be the bloody traitorous Leave voters who will be down the supermarkets stockpiling for the inevitable lack of supply of European foods come January! Boris's 'oven-ready' deal was as oven ready as all those turkeys from Tesco last Christmas that were found rotting when people peeled the wrapper. He and his band of intellectual lightweight cabinet members should be tried for treason.
Anyone ever seen some of the really properly rough bits of America with third world style poverty?
Yup, I helped set up a JV in a fairly rural part of Kentucky about 20 years ago and got the chance to go to some fairly rural parts of the state, plus Ohio, Tennessee and Georgia visiting mom and pop type family businesses, Bo and Luke Duke complete with dungarees (sadly no Daisy). I also went to Johnson City, NJ just across the river from Philly visiting a company in a predominantly black neighbourhood - pretty stark reminder of a divided country.
He and his band of intellectual lightweight cabinet members should be tried for treason.
I've often said that Cameron should be tried for treason. He's the fool that started all of this.
Yep and the sad thing is the majority of people that voted Tory wont have the advantage of private health care when it all goes wrong
Whats sad about that? They made their choice they get to reap the rewards. My sympathy is for those who didnt make that choice.
Anyone ever seen some of the really properly rough bits of America with third world style poverty?
I always found LA quite strange, obviously they thought the same about me (being a brit I was the only person walking for 30 miles). Staying on Lincoln all very nice an prosperous 2 blocks over and it's steel shutters, steel grills armed guards and wind up yer windows.
Win-win, nothing like us “pessimists” warned about, back in 2016…
https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1272187896909479936?s=21
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Anyone ever seen some of the really properly rough bits of America with third world style poverty?
did camp america thing working with kids on welfare
Ive also worked with youths in some rough parts of north london
what I saw in America has never left me and made me realise even the poorest here have some basic rights and access to healthcare that the richest country in the world doesnt offer to their poorest
anyway
back OT
Johnson will fold at the last minute, this is just bluff & bluster as usual
It strikes me that this shower of shit looked back and saw a time when Britain was great and that greatness, that wealth was built on Empire, and they looked around and saw that there was no where left to invade and to conquer and then along came a man with real vision and said to them you don't need to exploit anyone but the people who surround you, your own country is full of people ready to be worked to death and used in any way you want. These people don't really matter, any number of them can be used up, ground down and exploited and you need not lose a minutes sleep over it. And what's more they'll be convinced all their misery is nothing to do with you anyway
https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1316887009198141441
Gets better, so if there is anything you want to import, the seller is going to get hit. Those days of cheap Schwalbe tyres etc from Germany. Over. The days of UK distributers being able to ramp prices because there is no competition! FFS
how Boris can tell the whole country his deals “oven ready”
Happy to be proved wrong but iirc the “oven ready deal” was the withdrawal agreement which has now been in operation for a while. Which is not to say that it isn’t a total shitshow.
