You're my wife all brexies now
Said in Papa Lazarou stylee.
Chin up people. It's just a case of 1 step backwards to take 2 steps forward.
Use intellygents to win the long game, we can take back control and surpass EU ideals over the next few decades. That'd learn em.
"Shat on by the Tories, shovelled up by Labour"
🙁
Am I alone in being stuck in the quandary of wanting 'my side' to be proved right (and seeing a few of the twonks that voted us into this suffer a bit) but at the same time for our collective futures not wanting to be proved right.
I woke up this morning with a stinking cold, and then discovered my greenhouse door had blown off in the night.
So much for the bright new future outside the EU we were promised.
That Norwich notice is terrifying. It doesn’t seem a huge leap from there to making certain people wear something on their clothes, a star for example, so we all know where they come from.
That has really scared me. What is happening to our country?
What is happening to our country?
The Brexit vote has enabled/emboldened every underground racist to rise to the surface and reclaim their country back from the ****s, ****s, wogs, chinks etc.
its our job to send the racist ****ers back underground, preferably 6ft under in a box
I like you somafunk!
English is the spoken tongue here
This coming from a resident of Norfolk?
Aggressive Nationalism is just tribal insecurity.
I still (just) feel proud to be British. It doesn’t automatically mean I have to hate every other nationality, though.
But to some dickheads it does. Some people never left the primary school playground.
To those cementheads as soon as you say express any kind of pride it automatically means you have to find someone different and punch them to prove it. To them pride means superiority. In reality it is just petty insecurity. Ever notice how very short, very aggressive men tend to preface every insult with “you little this, you little that”?
Check out all the videos of racists during the party....
https://twitter.com/hashtag/BrexitReality?src=hashtag_click
I'm not putting aside differences with these scumbags.
**** unity.
Make as many brexiteers lives as shit as you possibly can - by the way you vote and by the way you interact with them on a daily basis. Make sure they lose as much opportunity as possible so they do not hold positions of power. Remainers tend to be better educated and hold better jobs with more influence - that can be weaponized.
Some of us working class northerner’s neither voted leave or Tory.
Seeing as how Labour weren’t offering any alternative, what you or I voted for has proved irrelevant.
And if dazh hated this country as much as he maintains, then having friends here shouldn’t stop him from buggering off to somewhere that offers a more amenable environment.
I’d actually like to know what it is about the country of his birth that he finds so offensive.
While there are aspects of society and politics here that I could well do without, there are many, many places around the world that I’d have far greater issues with.
I'm with raybanwomble, i have said on here way way back that the Brexiteer working class are now sat on their arses waiting for their "just rewards" and i will be there to ask how its going.
One of the many tweets I’ve seen tday containing little fat brexit ****s abusing folk in the street,
https://twitter.com/uturantekin/status/1223291381071990785?s=21
Why are they always so round?, remember the “weebles wobble but they don’t fall down” rhyme from our childhood?, I bet you despite having progressive ms I could still get that fat ****er face down and squealing like a stuck pig, the cellar door has been opened and the rats are getting bolder.
If you see or hear it happening to others then don’t walk away, stop them however you see fit
Seeing as how Labour weren’t offering any alternative, what you or I voted for has proved irrelevant.
That makes no sense at all.
I’m with raybanwomble, i have said on here way way back that the Brexiteer working class are now sat on their arses waiting for their “just rewards” and i will be there to ask how its going.
I think I might become a hardcore small government, low tax, free marketeer. The Tories have gone too left and protectionist. Thatcher would be rolling in her grave.
Bring on Singapore Upon Thames! Let's predicate a massive economic boom by using out of work northerners as low-paid domestic slave labour! We can boost the IQ of the country by using them to allow high achieving women to have lots of kids. It'll be like ****ing Rome! We can legalise all the ****ing drugs whilst we're at it, so we can be coked out our eyeballs whilst having a laugh.
Just imagine how debauched and fun London could be.
Northern working class midget throwing parties anyone?
you call them fat little brexit folk, I call them 'the new ruling class'
As someone up there said - and we're expected to now line up behind them so we can make this a success?
All depends how you judge success. I wouldn't say the last 12 years has been a success for the majority of people and can't see the next few years being any more of a success.
Make as many brexiteers lives as shit as you possibly can – by the way you vote and by the way you interact with them on a daily basis. Make sure they lose as much opportunity as possible so they do not hold positions of power. Remainers tend to be better educated and hold better jobs with more influence – that can be weaponized.
This is ****ing grim. Swap the word Brexiteer for any other chosen group and Remainer for whatever superior group. And read it back to yourself.
Would the degree of retribution depend on the level of Brexity-ness? How will you readily identify Brexiteers?
What happens if you carry it to its logical conclusion? What if the Brexiteers don't like it? Would you be ok with a civil war?
Make as many brexiteers lives as shit as you possibly can – by the way you vote and by the way you interact with them on a daily basis. Make sure they lose as much opportunity as possible so they do not hold positions of power. Remainers tend to be better educated and hold better jobs with more influence – that can be weaponized.
This is **** grim. Swap the word Brexiteer for any other chosen group and Remainer for whatever superior group. And read it back to yourself.
Yep most ****gb grim, unfortunately unless you play the better man the stupid division of Remainer/Leaver will continue to play out and be used by people like Boris and the papers aligned with him.
We have to realign the people’s future anger not at one another but at the people who preside over this.
Its easy to sit there and say its for the "greater good" and all that but the fact remains it will not be the vast majority of Brexiteers who fix this * show it will be the many business owners from SME to big business who will have to cope.
I work with hundreds of businesses each year and i have not been in one over the past years where the senior management team or owners want brexit - a simple fact. 99% of leavers i meet do not employ people (except Farmers who believe they will always get free money) or create wealth.
Wealth takers including the JRM faction voted for Brexit.
Wealth makers didn't
So when you ask me an SME business owner that employs 10 people who all earn double the avrage wage and collectively pay an enormous amount of tax (PAYE Corp Divi NI VAT) to pay for other peoples * decisions and watch them sit there and say "go on fix it i need money" they can all collectively **** OFF.
So if we dig in us remainers and make this thing work? Are we to become the new nanny state and support system for stupid and greedy pepple.
Sometimes you have to let things run their course. It will be a slow dawn but dawn non the less.
This is **** grim. Swap the word Brexiteer for any other chosen group and Remainer for whatever superior group. And read it back to yourself.
Brexiteers gave up trying to pretend that we are all in this together and chose to indulge in-group self interest and then ****ing revelled in it on the final day.
Me, responding in kind, protects my own in-groups self interest.
Maybe they’ll learn something from getting vile prejudice directed at them.
Would the degree of retribution depend on the level of Brexity-ness? How will you readily identify Brexiteers?
Profiling and stop and search.
Oh I’m sorry, is that only for brown people?
So if we dig in us remainers and make this thing work? Are we to become the new nanny state and support system for stupid and greedy pepple
A support system and infrastructure for stupid people on benefits paid for by the ill gotten gains of empire - who feel that they’re entitled to their standard of living because they wave a flag around.
I would love to be there, sticking the boot in when Nissan pull out of Sunderland, but you have to remember that even in those areas a sizeable minority voted sensibly for Remain. Unfortunately there are going to be good people affected badly by all this too.
The only accurate way to do it is to wait until someone has shown their hand. Then, if they are one of the morons who voted themselves into poverty, it is open season.
I only ever carried one real hatred though my life and that was what Thatcher did to the North East (i know old news) and now i have two with Brexit.
On two occasions the political class of this country has reduced my opportunity and limited my life choices. All to keep a minority well looked after.
Get a bloody grip. Jeez.
Oldmanmtb2, there's a difference, what Thatcher did was going to happen anyway, it would have taken longer, possibily been more painful and not given people a hate figure to blame for the way the world was going and their inability to keep up (Not defending Thatcher, she had a real hatred of working class people and little empathy for the effects of her policies. Despite all that she was idealogical driven, it wasn't self interest).
Brexit on the other hand was entirely avoidable, pushed solely for personal gain, be that short term political or making money from the chaos. It's also a lot less reversible.
Oh look - apparently its all the EU's fault...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/01/boris-johnson-infuriated-eu-reneges-free-trade-deal/
We'll no doubt see a lot of this narrative running over the coming months albeit with shorter words and more pictures in the Express.
Anyone seen a publication date for the potential Russian interference report?
The good news is we'll soon have a war.
That's if history repeats itself, only we seem to be the other side now.
Financial collapse.
Rise of right wing politics.
Othering of minorities or the non-pure born.
Start fights in other countries.
Up "defence" spending.
Declare war.
Rise in patriotism and suppression of opposition
Glorious victories
More glorious victories, but closer to home
Even more glorious victories, but now on our doorstep.
Oops!
we can take back control and surpass EU ideals
If you think a corner shop is going to be able to negotiate better deals with its distributors than Tesco you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
What are you taking control of, exactly?
Oldmanmtb2, there’s a difference, what Thatcher did was going to happen anyway, it would have taken longer, possibily been more painful and not given people a hate figure to blame for the way the world was going and their inability to keep up
It had to happen - but it didn't have to happen like that. It could have been manged carefully, rather than just pulling the plug.
Use intellygents to win the long game, we can take back control and surpass EU ideals over the next few decades.
Hmm. We have no trade deals currently, we only have 11 months to negotiate loads of deals, and our opponents in negotiation know this. Our main focus is on the EU and the US - both of whom are MUCH bigger and more powerful than us. They both have the power to get us to do whatever we want, because they know we NEED the deals. I don't think there's much that we produce that they can't get elsewhere; however we need what they produce (more so the EU than the US I think). Not only that, but both those parties have opposing demands, so we will be unlikely to be able to get a deal that satisfies both of them, and if they aren't satisfied with what we offer we won't get much from them.
Don't kid yourself, we are in a very weak position, not least because of the ticking clock. We aren't going to get a better deal with anyone than we had last week. Especially not the EU, because there is no better deal than being in it, and they absolutely cannot allow anyone to have a better deal than their members otherwise they'd remove their entire reason for being.
You need to look beyond flag waving patriotism and think about what's actually going to have to happen.
Am I alone in being stuck in the quandary of wanting ‘my side’ to be proved right
Maybe. I desperately want to be wrong. Tribalism is as stupid as nationalism. Politics and economics are what they are, we need to learn to understand the systems so we can make informed decisions and NOT just follow our tribe because let's face it, that's what got us into this mess in the first place.
You can probably track the North East Brexit vote right back to Thatchers deindustrialisation "policy"
Her utter hatred of Unionised working folk meant that there was never anything beyond her objective of breaking the Unions.
That was phase 1 deregulation
This is phase 2 deregulation
Phase 3 is the "final sell off"
Phase 3
At some point this gov will have to raise some serious cash(not borrow) they will have to cash in on some assets and/or turn a cost centre into a profit centre.
1. NHS
2. Civil Service
3. Public land for development
4. Licences for services (social etc)
5. Fracking (needs must?)
6. Supply licences (power water etc)
I am sure Dom has a few ideas...
Get a bloody grip. Jeez.
Can you let me know what will happen to my elderly fathers healthcare?
He lives in Spain and is completely reliant on reciprocal healthcare agreements.
Thanks.
Then, if they are one of the morons who voted themselves into poverty, it is open season.
Is that the best you can do @dannyh ?
You really are a vile individual.
Financial collapse.
That will not happen.
Financial fluctuation? Yes, but I can predict that all day long for the entire world.
Rise of right wing politics.
Yes, they will come into the open which is good and normal.
I rather they show themselves than hide their true feeling after so many years of PC and social engineering.
However, they will not have it their ways coz the world does not work that way and there will always be a counterbalance somewhere.
Othering of minorities or the non-pure born.
Not sure what this means but I really doubt the govt can do anything if people comply with the law.
Start fights in other countries.
They don't have too coz there are already many to fight at home.
Up “defence” spending.
Yes, that is definite regardless. In fact they should double or triple it.
Declare war.
Why? What for? Don't other country(s) have better things to do?
Rise in patriotism and suppression of opposition
A better way of putting is this.
The winner will always put others in their place regardless.
Glorious victories
All victories are glorious until the next defeat.
More glorious victor
Only if they can do as told by the power lend to them.
More glorious victories, but closer to home
Being re-elected? UK remain United?
Even more glorious victories, but now on our doorstep.
Yes, being surprisingly more competitive even with all the pressure.
Blimey. I just clicked through to the facebook post of someone who shared a totally racist post (the gist was that "Muslim groomers should all be sent home immediately" - i.e. making the insulation that Muslims are groomers. I don't normally see this sort of thing as like most of us my facebook friends tend to be people with similar views to me own so wouldn't.
I was curious as to who would share that so clicked through onto the earlier sharers page. Blimey - it's a never ending torrent of bile aimed against foreigners - story after story of dubious truthfulness linking every evil to other nationalities, shock fear mongering stories about Coronovirus (a video of someone convulsing under a blood-stained dirty sheet, probably totally unrelated) - pictures of a dead bat in a bowl of soup saying how dirty the Chinese are "it's no wonder we get viruses because of them" and it goes on and on. I don't think any is self-generated, just shared content from others, so probably an account like millions of others.
It worries me both that this type of world view is out there (and I suspect fairly common), but also that with the modern "echo chamber" society this probably won't get challenged.
I'm guilty of perpetuating that - I don't want to get into huge arguments over the internet, so just quietly left his page and if my friend posts more stuff like that I'll likely just un-follow her.
Not sure what my point is - just a bit of a thoughtful rant.
Can you please outline what you think the benefits of Brexit are?
You voted for it after all.
By the way, I deliberately didn't have a go at you on a previous thread because you were being courteous and trying to make a point in a genuine manner.
Now you call me 'vile'.
So, I can assure you this time that I won't be shedding any tears if your bad decision has bad consequences for you. I wouldn't take pleasure in it, but nor would I have any sympathy. Sorry and all that.
A piece of advice. Save your buyer's regret fuelled anger for those who duped you in the first place.
Oh, and it doesn't matter to me what names you call me. I learned a long time ago to only be upset by what people say if I respect them enough to take notice. So in this case I am not remotely bothered.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
You really are a vile individual.
He’s not really,he’s infuriated with the current situation.
People voted 3 times for Brexit, they can have it and face the consequences. No sympathy for me either.
Blimey. I just clicked through to the facebook post of someone who shared a totally racist post (the gist was that “Muslim groomers should all be sent home immediately” – i.e. making the insulation that Muslims are groomers. I don’t normally see this sort of thing as like most of us my facebook friends tend to be people with similar views to me own so wouldn’t.
I was curious as to who would share that so clicked through onto the earlier sharers page. Blimey – it’s a never ending torrent of bile aimed against foreigners – story after story of dubious truthfulness linking every
Dont unfriend just learn how to use the report hate/fake news on Facebook, I know it sounds a bit nobby but it’s the only way to stop it.
It worries me both that this type of world view is out there (and I suspect fairly common), but also that with the modern “echo chamber” society this probably won’t get challenged.
They have always been there. Never gone. Ever.
You want them gone then let them express their views.
But you will Never get rid of all of them coz that is Not good either.
Can you let me know what will happen to my elderly fathers healthcare?
He lives in Spain and is completely reliant on reciprocal healthcare agreements.
Thanks.
No he can't. That would mean knowing stuff about the detail.
But if he does try it will be a load of words that could be neatly summarised as "I'm sure we'll sort something out".
Is that the best you can do @dannyh ?
You really are a vile individual.
I've had three years of trying to argue logically about Brexit (because we needed to understand each other's position, and to unite and not be devisive), and once it became clear that there WERE going to be no tangible benefits, all I got back was "dry your remoaner tears", "leftie snowflake traitor" and "we won, you lost, get over it". So we've passed the tipping point now - I place the blame squarely with the politicians who sold a lie and the media who were complicit in spreading the lie and throttling the truth, but I feel no longer bound by any sense that I need to be the one who has to compromise. If people are celebrating Brexit, I'm going to call them out for being the morons that they are.
