Brexit 2020+

Nothing is keeping you here, so why not go & live in another country then?

Great idea. Move to France, then get deported in 12 months because that’s literally what you’ve voted for. Thought about this, haven’t you.

Yep brexits done.

Still, questions remain as to which former EU residence rights each country ultimately will extend to British citizens, who instantly become third-country nationals in the event of a no-deal Brexit at the end of the 11-month transition period

To make the situation even more uncertain, in some countries such as France and Spain, Brits never have had to register as permanent residents, which introduces another layer of anxiety. Until they get their long-term residence status as a third-country nationals, they’ll won’t be able to leave their host country, then return as anything but tourists.

 

I’m wondering which country will land the first blow now that the UK is definitely out and the gloves are off. If I were Spain it would be Gibralta, as France I’d like it to be the financial passport, if I were German it would be car tax equality with the US, if I were Italian it would be refugee quotas, if…

Looks like the starting gun has been fired already. Triggered by Big Bens recorded Bongs, most likely...

Brexit trade talks: EU to back Spain over Gibraltar claims

The UK is about to get one almighty reality check

Yay. Something for Frank Marcois to start sabre rattling about. Imagine the opportunity to show the EU Army what for.

I imagine the EU Army must be massive since Turkey joined.

I've watched a few of those interview videos now. They all follow a similar pattern, and something has occurred to me.

The brexiters got what they wanted last night. In their minds, we've left, job done. They don't care about (or even remotely understand) the detail. When asked how they think it will affect their lives, better or worse, the answer is "it won't."

If we quietly extended the transition period to say 2120, it'd never be mentioned again and both sides would be happy.

hey dazh, calm down love. you should try understanding those leave voters...

There’s undoubtedly some shoddy journalism in this, but I wonder... a little truth?

European fugitives could flee from the UK to their home countries as three EU countries confirm they will not extradite their own nationals to Britain now that Brexit has happened.

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Austria, Germany, and Slovenia have confirmed they will not extradite their nationals to the UK during the 11-month Brexit transition period which starts tomorrow.


https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-countries-have-stopped-extraditing-criminals-to-uk-after-brexit-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

It's not just those three, France doesn't generally extradite its citizens but does so under the European European arrest warrant system. Britain is no longer in the system and the 19th century conventions between France and the UK were torn up a few years back (no longer necessary under the European system). We're in a legal void - no extraditions.

I suspect I know the answer to this, but what are the tests and/or measures of whether this has been a success? Will the brexiteers still be crowing about their victory in 5-10 years if the country is properly on its knees? Or will it have to get so bad that a party wins an election based on rejoining?

R4 was asking the same to Bill Cash yesterday.... how will he measure if it's a success. And even he can't answer that, so resorted to the same old tactic of answer a different question over and over.

'It'll be a success if we leave fully at the end of the year'

' And if the economy drops by 50% ?'

'That won't happen'

'So how much can it drop by for it to still be a success

'It'll be a success because we are leaving, which is what the electorate voted for. Doing what they wanted makes it a success'

FFS.

If my wife wants the house to be a bit warmer and I set fire to it, I assume he thinks that's a success too?

Yeah but surely people don’t think brexit is a single event, rather than a long process over decades, and can be totally forgotten about now it’s been ‘done’?

Right? Right?

Guess ware going to have some epic ‘it’s not brexit, honest!’ excuses for why things will start to fail. More so than we’ve had so far.

If there was ever an advert as to why never to let people have a referendum again, that man is it.

There's always care needed with that logic. We're all relatively inarticulate. One Rees-Mogg and Mr Cummings probably see us as expendable, ill educated and not worthy of the vote. Generally lacking the intellect to comprehend the world as they believe it is - which is the only true reality.

Maybe the problem isnt who should be able to vote but how bad we are at communicating. Admittedly a bit of challenge when we live in a country that only handles binary. Where everything beyond two is lots and so just goes into background noise.

When the referendum was on I worked in a very pro leave office - we need a change was the main reason put forward; backed with concerns about under investment, loss of industry... basically everything to do with domestic policy. There was a general feeling of life was not good and Brexit enabled that to be articulated -rightly or wrongly - simply. There were a few I dont know so I won't vote and even one I dont know but I'm voting leave otherwise it counts as a vote for remain. The odd life was better out - ones who where actually old enough to remember out even if they were still at school - generally ones who felt life wasn't treating them well / was way way harder than it used to be. Harshly it might also be the glory of youth that some were missing.

You realise selling pro Europe benefits aren't even on the radar. You're talking to people about we what we already have (had) and it wasn't bringing any obvious benefits.

My predictions for 2020+

Boris and co attempt Trumpism with trade war type actions with EU in order to gain leverage.

EU responds by

Realising that it has no need to sell anything to the UK, and profits from not importing anything from the UK but trading with other EU members and partners, creating opportunity to fill the void left by anything they require from the UK by...

Throwing doors open to UK migrants, both bussiness and personal
creating a huge exodus of talented skilled educated people and thriving businesses who are granted EU citizenship and rights based on an AUS type point system*

UK becomes dependant on 3rd parties for everything as it has a population of gammons and corrupt politicians only to sustain it and gets chopped up and sold off in bits to jonny forriner investments inc..

UK market becomes saturated with Air BnBs owned by UK migrants tavilable so new "leavers" can pop over to spend their mighty euros as they please and laugh at the gammony "remainers" if so inclined

*point being if you are a gammon you stay put in the UK.

There was a general feeling of life was not good and Brexit enabled that to be articulated -rightly or wrongly – simply.

We’ve been over that a million times… so what change will those people welcome now that it’s coming next year?

Or we back to “where’s my Elephant” in 2016, replaced by nothing more than cheerful optimism and pride in 2020 (but no actual idea what should happen next)?

[not that optimism and pride can’t be positive and essential driving factors… but you have to have optimism and pride in something for it to be channeled usefully, don’t you?]

We’ve been over that a million times… so what change will those people welcome now that it’s coming next year?

That is the right question - unfortunately it would take a very very long time to tease out and get past the quick punch lines and into the feelings. It is really, what question are you going to ask?

Using the following as an example of not really people having the skills to articulate:

My own view, and following the rules of Brexit that analogy to films or past events must be used at all times. The next step is like the bit in Rocky Balboa where the trainer tells him what he can or cant do and focus on the strengths.

That's what pops into my head when you say Brexit transition. Well that and a meme showing Boris with his hands in the air and 'Just like that - staff - future gone' underneath it in the style of the just like that weekend gone one. Which probably means I think there is a way to get benefits from Brexit, its going to be hard work, a strong does of reality is required but I dont have faith in the people leading the country.

@theotherjonv

That Cash quote is scary. If we ever needed any more evidence that Brexit is another "True World Theory" for a lot of people then this is it.

Brexit is good because it's what the people want. What the people want is good.

OK, where have we heard this shit argument before. Oh yeah, every organised religion and every 20th century tyranny.

We do. We lost

Indeed we did. We need to move on, but we must not forget all the methods that the other side used to achieve what they did. We need to re-adjust our strategy and target the support mechanisms that they relied upon for a start.

The politicians, well the Prime minister is in it for himself, so will let the more committed to the cause tories do whatever damage they want, and since they ejected the more fiscally conservative tories so to speak, there will be money thrown at the problems that will inevitably arise from trying to achieve the pure ideological dreams of turning the country into a true free market economy, remember these people are thatchers children, this is her endgame. Also remember that the ruling party is not the party of business, it is the party of finance and hedge fund managers, so the rest of the economy can go down the toilet for all they care.

As for a deal by the end of this year? It will be a no deal brexit. This is what thatchers children want, and I think they wouldn't care if they are voted out in five years because of it, the damage will have been done...of course the passage of time and the narrative of the story in that time may play a part in this, along with whatever opposition, effective or otherwise is available.

Speaking of the narrative, Brexit is done as far as many are concerned. I'd be surprised if there is any bad news happening because of brexit in the UK reported by the right wing press or our national news broadcaster to make people realise that it isn't done by a long way, except of course to further vilify the EU over "how badly we are being treated" over a trade deal, which will further prepare people for a no deal brexit...and slow down any potential re-join.

The narrative is the key, it won them the referendum, so their narrative in the future must be disrupted and subverted. This may not work on those who ignored noble words, facts or reality, and wanted to be lied to, so to take a leaf out of the brexiters wordbook it must be done "by any means necessary".

Of course there's the Usa and trump trade deal, and a number of brexiters revere trump and his "revolution". A useful weapon here is to point out what has he actually done in reality. This may not impact on those who once again want to be lied to, but every little helps.

Finally, a detailed insight into why we’re leaving. If only we’d had this three years ago.

Much like my feelings about the wonderful northern working class following the election, I’m done with trying to understand or empathise with them. They can all go and **** themselves.

Some of us working class northerner's neither voted leave or Tory.

🕷Mrs Miggins Esq (@MrsMigginsHere) Tweeted:
This one’s even better. Voted Leave, no clue why. 🤪 https://t.co/rMu73sMsBH ( https://twitter.com/MrsMigginsHere/status/1223366315383164928?s=20)

It gives an opportunity for stamp collectors.

https://onlineshop.post.at/onlineshop/stamps---philately/stamps/special-stamps/brexit-180-special-stamp_18208

What's the situation if I order some bike parts from Germany today?

Much like my feelings about the wonderful northern working class following the election, I’m done with trying to understand or empathise with them. They can all go and **** themselves

An Inspector Calls covers most of the bases

What’s the situation if I order some bike parts from Germany today?

no difference, we are still in the SM and CU, the only change is that commit a crime and you might not get extradited.

The affects, assuming Current course, kick in on the 1 jan 2021, at which point Kent is turned into a lorry park.

Again, what was wrong with molgrips' identical and earlier thread?

Will this post get deleted like my last identical one?

Again, what was wrong with molgrips’ identical and earlier thread?

Will this post get deleted like my last identical one?

Answer is on page 1 and 2, your other post is still there.

no difference, we are still in the SM and CU, the only change is that commit a crime and you might not get extradited.

Yeah, I was wondering about the warranty position etc in the longer term. I guess that's one of the big un-knowables at the moment.

The warranty will be with the place you bought it, as now. Now claiming on that warranty might be a little harder, but it is still there.

Yeah, I was wondering about the warranty position etc in the longer term. I guess that’s one of the big un-knowables at the moment.

I’m not sure it’s a big unknowable considering currently no ones got a scooby do about anything next year 🙂

I’d confirm the warranty position with the supplier/manufacturer some products have international warranty and some companies offer extended warranties.

I have a frame that the manufacturer offered an extended 5 yr warranty if registered and the only thing they stipulate is the product has to be warrarrantied via the original supplier.

Me northern working class scum....

Voted remain and sure as **** didn't vote Tory

Much like my feelings about the wonderful northern working class following the election, I’m done with trying to understand or empathise with them. They can all go and * themselves.

I knew you’d get there in the end.

Me northern working class scum….

Voted remain and sure as * didn’t vote Tory

Yes, but you aren’t racist from what I can tell.

The Nasty Party finally found a cause where their nastiness could transcend traditional ‘class’ divisions, and boy have they used it.

The fact that Boris and his rag tag rabble are laughing at those ex Labour voters behind their backs just doesn’t register with them, the fools.

...and on day one, they’ve already started to crawl out from under their rocks to reveal their true colours:

'Happy Brexit Day' “We finally have our great country back...we do not tolerate people speaking other languages than English in the flats.
...we are now our own country again...the Queens [sic] English is the spoken tongue here"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51341735

Much like my feelings about the wonderful northern working class following the election, I’m done with trying to understand or empathise with them. They can all go and **** themselves.

Is it just northern working class you have an issue with or all. What about those that voted for one but not the other?

Poundshop Trump and his puppet master Cummings actually believe that they can control the racism and xenophobia they have unleashed.

There are genuinely millions of people out there that think we are going to make speaking a foreign language a crime and deport people who were born here, but happen to have brown skin.

When, inevitably, Joris lets them down they will look to real fascists.

If you look at history, Johnson is playing the Von Papen role. Trying to ride a wave of populism to keep the right wing united. The issue is where this leads when the really nasty people, of which there are plenty, start to feel betrayed by him.

I've just watched the Brexit news sections on BBC, ITV and C4 news.

Each channel interviewed members of the general public, and between all the interviews i saw, there were approx 9 people who voted to leave who were asked "why did you vote leave, and what benefit will leaving bring?" and not one, not one single person, could answer the question.

Lots of Hmm's, er's, and "we're taking back control" sound bytes, but not a single, actual, objective or proveable fact was given in response.

You're my wife all brexies now

Said in Papa Lazarou stylee.

Chin up people. It's just a case of 1 step backwards to take 2 steps forward.
Use intellygents to win the long game, we can take back control and surpass EU ideals over the next few decades. That'd learn em.

"Shat on by the Tories, shovelled up by Labour"

🙁

Am I alone in being stuck in the quandary of wanting 'my side' to be proved right (and seeing a few of the twonks that voted us into this suffer a bit) but at the same time for our collective futures not wanting to be proved right.

I woke up this morning with a stinking cold, and then discovered my greenhouse door had blown off in the night.

So much for the bright new future outside the EU we were promised.

That Norwich notice is terrifying. It doesn’t seem a huge leap from there to making certain people wear something on their clothes, a star for example, so we all know where they come from.

That has really scared me. What is happening to our country?

What is happening to our country?

The Brexit vote has enabled/emboldened every underground racist to rise to the surface and reclaim their country back from the ****s, ****s, wogs, chinks etc.

its our job to send the racist ****ers back underground, preferably 6ft under in a box

I like you somafunk!

English is the spoken tongue here

This coming from a resident of Norfolk?

Aggressive Nationalism is just tribal insecurity.

I still (just) feel proud to be British. It doesn’t automatically mean I have to hate every other nationality, though.

But to some dickheads it does. Some people never left the primary school playground.

To those cementheads as soon as you say express any kind of pride it automatically means you have to find someone different and punch them to prove it. To them pride means superiority. In reality it is just petty insecurity. Ever notice how very short, very aggressive men tend to preface every insult with “you little this, you little that”?

Check out all the videos of racists during the party....

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BrexitReality?src=hashtag_click

I'm not putting aside differences with these scumbags.

**** unity.

Make as many brexiteers lives as shit as you possibly can - by the way you vote and by the way you interact with them on a daily basis. Make sure they lose as much opportunity as possible so they do not hold positions of power. Remainers tend to be better educated and hold better jobs with more influence - that can be weaponized.

Some of us working class northerner’s neither voted leave or Tory.

Seeing as how Labour weren’t offering any alternative, what you or I voted for has proved irrelevant.
And if dazh hated this country as much as he maintains, then having friends here shouldn’t stop him from buggering off to somewhere that offers a more amenable environment.
I’d actually like to know what it is about the country of his birth that he finds so offensive.
While there are aspects of society and politics here that I could well do without, there are many, many places around the world that I’d have far greater issues with.

I'm with raybanwomble, i have said on here way way back that the Brexiteer working class are now sat on their arses waiting for their "just rewards" and i will be there to ask how its going.

One of the many tweets I’ve seen tday containing little fat brexit ****s abusing folk in the street,

https://twitter.com/uturantekin/status/1223291381071990785?s=21

Why are they always so round?, remember the “weebles wobble but they don’t fall down” rhyme from our childhood?, I bet you despite having progressive ms I could still get that fat ****er face down and squealing like a stuck pig, the cellar door has been opened and the rats are getting bolder.

If you see or hear it happening to others then don’t walk away, stop them however you see fit

Seeing as how Labour weren’t offering any alternative, what you or I voted for has proved irrelevant.

That makes no sense at all.

I’m with raybanwomble, i have said on here way way back that the Brexiteer working class are now sat on their arses waiting for their “just rewards” and i will be there to ask how its going.

I think I might become a hardcore small government, low tax, free marketeer. The Tories have gone too left and protectionist. Thatcher would be rolling in her grave.

Bring on Singapore Upon Thames! Let's predicate a massive economic boom by using out of work northerners as low-paid domestic slave labour! We can boost the IQ of the country by using them to allow high achieving women to have lots of kids. It'll be like ****ing Rome! We can legalise all the ****ing drugs whilst we're at it, so we can be coked out our eyeballs whilst having a laugh.

Just imagine how debauched and fun London could be.

Northern working class midget throwing parties anyone?

Naughty, naughty

Is this what we have to look forward to in our new future?

you call them fat little brexit folk, I call them 'the new ruling class'

As someone up there said - and we're expected to now line up behind them so we can make this a success?

All depends how you judge success. I wouldn't say the last 12 years has been a success for the majority of people and can't see the next few years being any more of a success.