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A brexit cheerleader speaks up…

https://twitter.com/hugogye/status/1304040489499402242?s=21

My thoughts…

https://twitter.com/spittingcat/status/1304104926721847297?s=21


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 6:11 pm
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I've got to say that all through the Brexit process I've felt my job was reasonably secure being a software developer in a specialised field but the willingness to go back on things we've legally agreed to has made me worried. If you are an international company looking at your European operations how the hell do you judge investments in UK sites, especially if you also have other EU locations available. There's no way of knowing what business environment you'll be operating under in the UK and there's little chance it'll settle down after Brexit as we'll be flip flopping between whatever is Cummings big idea this month's or what polls well with the hard of thinking. Surely you'd just invest in the EU and view the UK as an export market with a local sales office?


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 6:15 pm
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How that can be painted as taking back control.. I'm at a complete loss.. But people still seem to be buying it.

It's not like it can even be tested with a general election any time soon. We are all basically held hostage to the whims of Cummings and Johnson. That's not democratic.


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 6:20 pm
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David Gauke sums up his take on his ex-colleagues approach
‘Britain is on the verge of punching herself in the face in order to have the freedom to shoot herself in the foot.’


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 7:01 pm
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It's fascinating to watch a government with the talent to **** up horrifically on multiple fronts simultaneously. Future historians will have a field day with this lot.


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 7:08 pm
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It’s fascinating to watch a government with the talent to **** up horrifically on multiple fronts simultaneously. Future historians will have a field day with this lot.

The basic lesson will be 'the more bullshit and lies you come out with, the deeper the hole'.

The advanced lesson will be 'how to ensure that you personally are not in the hole'.

Can we arrange an open top car ride for Johnson through Dallas at some point?


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 7:19 pm
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I absolutely love John Crace.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/10/hancocks-breakdown-slides-westminster-even-more-through-the-looking-glass

One of the glories of Matt – the thing that makes him a near national treasure – is that he has no idea that it is the seriousness with which he now takes himself that makes him a laughing stock to the rest of us.

😊

doggybollox

😅


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 7:30 pm
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Stand back everyone! Suella Braverman has published her legal advice

Attorney general Suella Braverman has published her legal advice in defence of the government’s position, arguing that “ in the difficult and highly exceptional circumstances in which we find ourselves, it is important to remember the fundamental principle of Parliamentary sovereignty”.

In other words: everything is ok because we say so. Ok?

So there you have it.... what happens when you accidentally promote someone who looks like she’d be out of her depth as a nursery teacher to the role of Attorney General

Just remind yourself that the most senior legal role in government, making ultimate legal judgements at this most critical time in our countries history is presently Suella Braverman


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 8:17 pm
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Suella Braverman

Hope she's got herself a good retainer sorted as that has just spelled the end of any prospect of future employment in the respectable side of the law.

Mind you, plenty of well-paid work around defending ill gotten gains from boring stuff like taxes or keeping the protagonists out of jail, so swings and roundabouts. Easy if you have no moral compass.


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 8:46 pm
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Text of an email I just sent my toady, greasy pole climbing, useless nobody of a MP.

If one of your constituents is caught driving at 35mph in a 30mph will you stand by them if their defence is that they are only breaking the law in a 'specific and limited way'?

Or is it still preferable for them to claim they didn't see the 30mph limit signs because they were driving to test their eyesight?

I can't be arsed typing long specific emails to him any more. Hopefully this will get on his tits just as much.


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 9:02 pm
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I think suella was given her brief and went off to her law library, a dog eared copy of "The Dummies Guide to.....Constitutional Law" which she keeps in the glove box of her Range Rover.

Page 1, something about parliament being sovereign

Page 2 was about international law but she didnt get that far

Jobs a good un. Well done suella, and there are some idiots that are calling for you to resign


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 9:06 pm
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Any sign of this backfiring on Johnson with the base? Interesting to see what polls show

Even some of the daftest old brexiteers don't like it

https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1304096951747719171?s=19

(Tho Cummings would love another 'will of the people' thwarted by House of Lords battle)


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 9:35 pm
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Just had the misfortune to hear lumpen bridgen wittering on radio - parliamentary sovereignty trumps a signed international treaty agreement.
As for johnson's oven-ready deal...was good to go but we didn't expect the EU to play dirty; the EU needs us more than we need them; wtf is he on about?
As for the claim that both johnson and trump are similar in that they are both skilled negotiators - what bollocks.
johnson took May's deal, made minor amendments and presented it as all his own work.
trump specialises in stiffing anyone who has the misfortune of dealing with him; he couldn't have built anything in NYC in the 80s/90s without paying off the mafia - he confuses negotiation with bribery.
They are both well described as bags of malignant cells in ill-fitting suits.
The parade of useless members who are wheeled out to defend/justify johnson's latest emissions are embarrassing in their incompetence, lack of knowledge of the details, inability to think on their feet - and these are our elected representatives?
God help us all.


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 11:17 pm
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How that can be painted as taking back control.. I’m at a complete loss.. But people still seem to be buying it.

We might have to resort to eating warm gravel, but it's good honest British gravel rather than that foreign muck?


 
Posted : 10/09/2020 11:53 pm
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I’ve got to say that all through the Brexit process I’ve felt my job was reasonably secure being a software developer in a specialised field but the willingness to go back on things we’ve legally agreed to has made me worried. If you are an international company looking at your European operations how the hell do you judge investments in UK sites, especially if you also have other EU locations available

+1 I work in the polyurethane industry, all our raw materials are from Europe and we export 85%. We have a huge amount of infrastructure on site but I fully expect it to be gone in <5years and with it the last large employer in a northern ex mill town.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 12:59 am
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Just had the misfortune to hear lumpen bridgen wittering on radio – parliamentary sovereignty trumps a signed international treaty agreement.

The entire point is that it is parliament and parliamentary sovereignty that created the treaty agreement. It doesn't "trump" it, it IS it. And yes you can use parliamentary sovereignty to destroy a treaty but only because in the act, you make parliament meaningless.

It's like saying you can overwrite a promise by making another promise that says something different- again, true, but only because it simultaneously breaks the original promise, and the integrity that made any future promises worth making.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 3:31 am
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The entire point is that it is parliament and parliamentary sovereignty that created the treaty agreement. It doesn’t “trump” it, it IS it. And yes you can use parliamentary sovereignty to destroy a treaty but only because in the act, you make parliament meaningless.

Bridgen wouldn't realise or care about that. He is a proper old fashioned Tory crook. Look at his dealings around HS2 and pools of industrial waste at his businesses.

johnson took May’s deal, made minor amendments and presented it as all his own work

That is all the ****less lazy shagger has ever done. Although when he couldn't be arsed to do that he made it up - hence why he got the sack from The Times.

trump specialises in stiffing anyone who has the misfortune of dealing with him; he couldn’t have built anything in NYC in the 80s/90s without paying off the mafia – he confuses negotiation with bribery

I heartily recommend 'Hypernormalisation' by Adam Curtis. It documents the sewer pipe that Trump first emerged from.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 7:35 am
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I think Kelvin is right,
"We’re being kneecapped (by our own government) just to make sure the damage is not recoverable. Remember, people are ready to build on their fortunes thanks to that damage… making sure no future government can quickly reinstate us as a rule based economy after 2021 is the aim.
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Boris and co are not stupid, they are doing this for a reason, and that reason is to make any backpedal after they leave impossible. seen from that point of view alot of their actions make more sense.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 8:22 am
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Nadhim Zahawi currently being ripped a new one on R4.

When an interviewer has to pointedly 'remind' a senior figure in government 'this is how interviews work' you know it is a shambles.

But I guess there is some sort of rota in place. The 'Who is going to have to make themselves look stupid to defend stupid policies today' rota.

And with every evisceration they receive, they are bound tighter to Johnson because their credibility outside of the gang is smashed on the floor. Stockholm syndrome on the Bullshit Bus hurtling towards the cliff edge.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 8:47 am
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Boris and co are not stupid, they are doing this for a reason

indeed. An article from this mornings Guardian saying just that. What they’re doing is as calculated and deliberate as Thatchers de-industrialisation policies in the 80’s. And they have the same casual disregard for the millions who are going to have their lives destroyed by their actions...

The Tories aren't incompetent on the economy – they know exactly what they are doing


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 8:54 am
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Please be careful associating my current multi-cultural and relatively liberal European home city with this bunch of Brexit cultists


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 8:55 am
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calculated and deliberate as Thatchers de-industrialisation policies in the 80’s

It does seem most policies seem to focus on the sustained destruction of any area where collective opposition could come from. Started with shrinking the public sector but now seems to have spilled over into breaking up traditional employment - everyone for themselves as a self employed or the laughably misrepresented freedom of zero hours.

It seems there are couple of different layers of playing on the go here - the economic one which benefits the few. Although they seem to be blinded by their greed. Risk break up of the union. You'd think that's not what the true blue would want. No matter how enticing the money is. In the case of specificities, illegalities and possibility the lords defeat this - whipping up another round of will of the people and remove the lords sentiment. Again at odds with what the average blue would want.

Maybe at the end there be a realisation England is not the UK.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 9:24 am
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It seems there are couple of different layers of playing on the go here – the economic one which benefits the few. Although they seem to be blinded by their greed. Risk break up of the union. You’d think that’s not what the true blue would want. No matter how enticing the money is. In the case of specificities, illegalities and possibility the lords defeat this – whipping up another round of will of the people and remove the lords sentiment. Again at odds with what the average blue would want.

Oh absolutely, but this is where social media has been a gift to them.

Why struggle to reconcile the needs and desires of a comfortably retired Home Counties blue-rinser with a perpetually angry northern zero hours contract worker who is starting to blame anyone who look a bit different to them?

No need when you can just feed them different lies. Lies that are actually their own prejudices played back to them as news.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 9:40 am
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I think even the densest home-counties true blue is starting to realise that they don’t actually have a Tory government.

They have a ‘Vote Leave’ government, and that’s a very different thing


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 9:50 am
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I think even the densest home-counties true blue is starting to realise that they don’t actually have a Tory government.

They have a ‘Vote Leave’ government, and that’s a very different thing

Too late, though. And they have less time left living with the consequences.


 
Posted : 11/09/2020 9:59 am
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‘Festival of Brexit’ can play ‘powerful role’ in healing UK, organiser says

Do they really not get it? Thinking that having a knees up will heal the divisions within the UK as day upon day most of what comes out of government just ingrains it more so?

I suspect the economy will be so bad by 2022 that this event/events will be rather "interesting" to police. The organiser must be utterly deluded in his use of the word, healing...

"Obviously we've got significant funding in place so we can be big and bold. The three key words are - we want the projects to be open, original and optimistic."

Ah, I see why the optimism now.

Money. Check.

Catchy 3 word catchphrase. Check.

Money spaffing and catchphrase. Standard government playlist then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54069456


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 2:46 am
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breach international law and crash out with no deal.

project fear seems to have become goverment policy.

can any probrexit folk explain to me what is the good bit?


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 4:41 am
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Brussels could 'carve up' UK if Tories reject Brexit bill, says Johnson.

The 'shift the blame to the nasty EU' stage has begun in earnest. It's going to be a Daily Mail reader's wet dream, defeat the enemy, save the Union, wave the Union Jack etc.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 6:01 am
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The main issue here is that you can't have Brexit AND GFA, the two are intrinsically incompatible. All the sophistry in the world can't change that immutable fact.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 7:01 am
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Don’t come here with your “facts”, unbeliever.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 8:14 am
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Does anyone else look at our current government with an increasing sense of despair and look back at the floundering incompetence of Theresa May and think 'you know what, actually she wasn't that bad'.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 8:48 am
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Yes. I think she was sincerely trying to reconcile the irreconcilable. This lot it's just lie upon lie.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 8:54 am
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‘you know what, actually she wasn’t that bad’.

Absolutely not. She enthusiastically picked up the divisive rhetoric and it's snowballed from there.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 9:17 am
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Indeed… she went full nationalist… as soon as she picked red lines on “foreign” courts and freedom of movement we weren’t going to find a new way of cooperating with the rest of Europe anywhere close to what we had.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 9:22 am
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Speaking of previous PM's and BrexShit. This chap seems to have disappeared.
I wonder his honest take on this now.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 9:45 am
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I'm pretty sure he still (publicly) believes the referendum was an absolute necessity for the country from an interview I saw some time back. Of course it was never needed for the country but he definitely believed it was necessary for the Tory party. Says much for his priorities right there.

Of course other than dividing the country to such a degree the Union itself is in genuine peril, its only papered over the cracks within the party and in fact allowed a coupe from within. His Tory party is effectively dead.

A true lose, lose situation. I couldn't give a fig about the Tories but the collateral damage is another matter.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 10:03 am
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The ‘shift the blame to the nasty EU’ stage has begun in earnest. It’s going to be a Daily Mail reader’s wet dream, defeat the enemy, save the Union, wave the Union Jack etc.

I don’t remember such brazen, openly dishonest times as these. Truly it has the feel of a ‘post-truth‘ political apocalypse. Add in the wholesale adoption (away from this polite bubble in here) of (US-style) Us vs Them, Red vs Blue, White vs Black, Republic vs ‘Commie’, polarised, dumbed-down idiocy laced with unfurling conspiracy theories at a rate never seen before electronic media. I’m becoming resigned to the fact that it shan’t ever improve. Lies seem always ten steps ahead, re-writing not only the future but also the past.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 10:27 am
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I’m pretty sure he still (publicly) believes the referendum was an absolute necessity for the country from an interview I saw some time back. Of course it was never needed for the country but he definitely believed it was necessary for the Tory party. Says much for his priorities right there.

Of course other than dividing the country to such a degree the Union itself is in genuine peril, its only papered over the cracks within the party and in fact allowed a coupe from within. His Tory party is effectively dead.

A true lose, lose situation. I couldn’t give a fig about the Tories but the collateral damage is another matter.

Ah, David "consomethinge PR man don't worry he's go this" Cameron.

In actual fact a weak, insecure and shallow man. He needed his racists back from UKIP, or at least he thought he did. So, arrogant twerp that he is, he rolled the dice. Well, that would imply that the stake was all his, but of course he will be alright Jack.

Then promptly ****ed off to write his memoirs. "Memoirs of a PR Man" - I'll pass on reading that one, ta.

Although the pages may come in handy in January when we run out of arsewipe again.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 1:09 pm
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Does anyone else look at our current government with an increasing sense of despair and look back at the floundering incompetence of Theresa May and think ‘you know what, actually she wasn’t that bad’.

I remember saying at the time that whatever came after would be far far worse, but even at my most pessimistic I never imagined this.

We are soooooooo utterly ****ed. The country may never recover from the damage presently being done to it. And all for nothing. It’s a tragedy


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 2:35 pm
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They're lining up the narrative for yet more passing of vast sums of public money to Dom's mates.

Started with a few hundred million for non-existent PPE, the Track & Trace app was a nice little bonus of Covid although even without Covid they'd have found something.

Now there's talk of £100bn on Operation Moonshot and "trillion dollar companies" just lying around waiting to be kickstarted in the aftermath of Brexit. Not sure where Dom expects to find the next Apple or Microsoft just lying around, but I'm sure he has several mates he can channel all the money to.

World beating.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 3:29 pm
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I really did think we were through the looking glass when a Tory government decided that state aid was the hill they were going to die on in negotiations

Then I remembered who we were talking about and realised it was just them laying the ground for fraud on an absolutely enormous scale

All that shit with PPE was the dress rehearsal for the big one.

This will be the biggest scam in history. World-beating indeed


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 6:23 pm
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I need a job. Where can I sign up to be a COVID-Marshall?


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 7:08 pm
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On here matey. https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/details/4683396


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 7:10 pm
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I take that back, seems they nicked the name to describe an on-site job.

Edit, from the independent: The government has not yet released any details on how you can apply to become a Covid-19 Secure Marshal.

Possibly best to think of it as a theoretical job role.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 7:15 pm
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Possibly best to think of it as a theoretical job role.

A bit like Boris considers the role of Prime Minister.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 7:55 pm
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Things that we know from Boris’s insane waffle the other day that definitely won’t be happening:

1. Covid Marshall’s

2. Operation Moonunit

Things that we know from Boris’s insane waffle the other day that definitely will be happening:

1. A No Deal Brexit

2. An utterly chaotic meltdown of the entire UK economy


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 8:35 pm
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Looks like Braverman is just another fraud on the make. Inventing fake 'enemies' that she has 'fought against' to defend 'British values'.

If Cohen is correct, she is another sad fantasist who gets off on authoritarian themes and tries to portray herself as a white knight against 'the PC Brigade'.

No wonder she has prostituted herself to a fraud like Johnson. She is a fraud like Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/12/when-even-the-attorney-general-flouts-the-law-what-hope-does-britain-have-suella-braverman


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 10:44 pm
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Is it really any surprise that Johnson/Cummings & co have surrounded themselves with willing supplicants desperate to belong to something...anything. I can only hope that this entire cast of misfits and socially repugnant characters masquerading as a government of competence will eventually be held to account.


 
Posted : 12/09/2020 11:07 pm
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Bloody hell, you couldn't make this up.


 
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An other interesting example of the ongoing Tory commitment to upholding the rule of law

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/12/no-10-employee-labels-spokesman-for-harry-dunns-family-a-bad-guy


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 7:11 am
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eventually be held to account.

You’re joking aren’t you?   It’ll be three more years of non elected rotating buffoons and liars until Starmer is voted in.   Then this lot will quietly disappear and write their memoirs having made their fortunes for them and their mates.   Likely Johnson, Gove replacing him and then Rishi pushed forward as a populous figure to win the vote.


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 7:22 am
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It’ll be three more years of non elected rotating buffoons and liars until Starmer is voted in.

Nope.

They are pulling a Trump and smashing down our institutions for a reason. It's so they get to be boss for as long as they like.


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 7:38 am
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The last election was the last chance at a Labour government (or even a One Nation Tory or Liberal tinged government) ‘till beyond 2030… which is why I tried to persuade even my pro-Brexit traditional Tory voting family and friends to hold their nose and vote Labour, and prevent this lot getting a majority… letting the Vote Leave team get a full term unchecked is letting them dismantle the UK’s democratic norms… disenfranchisement is coming, soon after human rights legislation is torn up, and legal challenges against the government blocked.


 
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You’re joking aren’t you? It’ll be three more years of non elected rotating buffoons and liars until Starmer is voted in.

Who is the joker here?


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 10:23 am
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Sunday torygraph front page

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/12/boris-johnson-set-opt-human-rights-laws/


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 10:37 am
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Early 2019 was ‘discussing‘ the exit ‘strategy’ with My Most Brexity Friend.

MR: ‘We’re going to crash out of the EU with no deal’
MMBF: ‘No, we’re going to get a great deal but even no deal means (sic) free to trade with who we want!’
MR: ‘No, it’s a fait accompli. I’m convinced. All the signs are there. They have no plan except ‘no deal’. It’s bullshit. Window-dressing’
MMBF: ‘Anyway, WTO (sic) deal is better than the ****ing EU, something something communist Corbyn, something something (sneers, etc)
MR: ‘We’ll crash out of the EU with no deal, and then you lot will blame it on ‘remainers’ and on ‘the EU‘
MMBF: ‘Yeah, yeah’(largely non-responsive, some scoffing)

I haven’t hung out with my MBF since Xmas 2019 but due for a bike ride this week. We hope to avoid talking politics, and anyway - ‘I told you so’ is an unattractive proposition. Maybe because I’m the one that is hoping I’m proven wrong, whereas my MBF’s ‘superpowers‘ are of the dark triad variety and so will never ever admit defeat/will always divert blame/victim-blame. It’s so pointless to even discuss it. And there is a problem. Entrenchment. Polarisation. Utter division. Am I also guilty of it?

Am I being objective? Because to me it’s still looking like a cluster **** of bodgery, daylight-robbery, blatant lies, and dark-forces doing what dark-forces do.

The irony I suppose is that, now, I too sound very much like my MBF. Similar accusations, just different targets. An impasse. Is there a centrist/balanced view on what is happening? And does it collide with the facts? Am all ears.

IMO this just about sums up where we are today:


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 10:40 am
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As usual, it’s Andrew Rawnsley who has the best take on the gang presently Taking Back Control, pointing out that this is no Tory government in anything but name. It’s just Cummings, the arch-wrecker, smashing everything up

The escalating delinquency of Boris Johnson and his gang of blue anarchists


 
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Many excellent sources report that the prime minister’s chief adviser has an obsessive ambition to direct large amounts of government aid in support of tech ventures. 

I wonder why that could be. This is like the days of Mobutu, except he at least had the decency to fleece the US and not pass on any benefits to the population. Cummings and his mates are getting set for the big one-off heist.


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 11:24 am
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I'm increasingly thinking this is a ram raid on the British economy and state.


 
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I’m increasingly thinking this is a ram raid on the British economy and state.

It always was for the 0.001%

'Shock Doctrine' or 'Disaster Capitalism' it doesn't really matter what you call it. Upsetting the apple cart creates opportunities for 'thrusting innovative entrepreneurship' (aka spivs). Even better when you can control the shocks (mostly) and tip the nod to your mates what to bet against or where to put their money. Or which sectors are going to get a big load spaffed at them.

What Cummings is doing would be called insider trading if it was done by anyone else on a smaller scale. Apparently if you do it at nation level it is ok.

I still, just, only just, am holding back from actually wishing any physical harm would happen to him. That is a mental line I don't want to cross for my own self respect.

But if he went under a bus I would struggle not be pleased.


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 4:27 pm
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I hope he doesn't get his lawbreaking bill passed and he is stuck with a trade deal with EU (even if we are a bit worse off) and no deal with the yanks because I always thought that would end badly. It would serve all those morons right that gave him their vote last year and TBH they have no-one to blame but themselves I mean what kind of a moron votes for a prolific liar that even on the odd occasion he tries to keep his word he fails miserably because he is not very bright.


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 4:46 pm
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Likelyhood of Scotland ever being given a referendum and any desire for a border poll in Ireland being blocked? I don't see the London mayor surviving much longer either. They form alternative power bases and that means a threat.


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 5:15 pm
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they have no-one to blame but themselves

Not how Nationalism/populism works. Quite the opposite. Scapegoat is on the menu. Served with a side-helping of dead cat. Every day.


 
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Not how Nationalism/populism works. Quite the opposite. Scapegoat is on the menu. Served with a side-helping of dead cat. Every day.

Yep. Day in, day out. It can't be your fault because you're special. It must be foreigners, pinkos, remoaner traitors, EU etc.

When Brexit is inescapably (to anyone with more than one brain cell) shown to be a ridiculous and massive fail, one of two things is going to happen.

When I talk about 'Leavers' next, I don't mean the out and out racists for whom Brexit was only ever a step on the road. Even though all the racists voted Leave, not everyone who voted Leave was a racist.

So, these more moderate Leavers, the ones who actually thought they were voting for a better future (I know, I know but bear with me). They are presented with a choice. Admit, even if only to themselves, that they were sold a pup and swallowed it hook, line and sinker (mixing metaphors). They may get angry and aim that anger where it should be. On the shysters that sold it to them. Or they can take the easy option, double down and go full fascist.

The likes of The Telegraph, Mail etc, as well as the shysters themselves, will be attempting to give the easy option, day after day.

I would say, from the last 4.5 years, it is about 65/35 in favour of double down full fascist. If that happens, I am going to do my best to persuade my wife that it is time to emigrate. Hers is a sought after profession in NZ, and I like to think I am pretty employable. Family ties are strong on her side of the family, though, so it will be very difficult.

Bollocks to Brexit. Damn that ship and all who sail in it.


 
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Move north Danny?


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 6:24 pm
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Move north Danny?

Do you honestly think you're going to be allowed another ref?


 
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Move north Danny?

Maybe. I was going to say it is too chilly for my soft southern skin, but our addiction to fossil fuels is seeing to that.

The trouble is going to be ageing parents with limited other family around. I can't believe I'm even thinking this seriously about getting out. Saddening.


 
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Do you honestly think you’re going to be allowed another ref?

It's different up here already. Our government, public services, ethos of education, heck even a lot of the people who live here. We don't need a second referendum to actually be already creating the society many want to live in - and its more positive than much of England imo, and way better than the direction Westminster is intent on dragging us.

Plus we've better trails, bigger mountains and amazeballs beaches when you do need to console/get away from the idiots.


 
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Not how Nationalism/populism works. Quite the opposite. Scapegoat is on the menu. Served with a side-helping of dead cat. Every day.

Quite right, however little ingerland (wider UK) will be a land of its own. They can blame all they like but if every other sensible country stand against them there is nothing they can do but rot in their own resentment..

I'm really afraid for my kids, my wife (who is European). Not a day goes by that she doesn't get a reminder from the general public that she doesn't belong here and if she doesn't like it should go home. Actually she is home and has lived here for 30 odd years. Makes me so angry...


 
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So the Japan trade deal holds us to a state aid position that we are telling the EU is outrageou to be asked to commit to:
https://www.ft.com/content/edb7d155-56b4-4065-9f83-31b2247fa178


 
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But… but… sovereignty?!?

[ USA will be even more strict ]


 
Posted : 13/09/2020 9:40 pm
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Looks like Boris might be in for a rough week...

https://twitter.com/itvnewspolitics/status/1305266569371623425?s=21


 
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The sad fact is that he will not care. It would take whole groups of MPs leaving or voting against him to make a difference and those would be labelled as enemies of the people and replaced.

As for the Human Rights rolling back, I can see the narrative now... I prevents the U.K. from prosecuting or expelling dangerous foreign criminals. Do you honk it is fair that (foreigner X) should have a nice warm prison cell in the U.K. and not be sent home to (country Z)?


 
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I take solace from the idea that Johnson has probably just woken up with a slight hangover, and had been dreaming about the good old days and high jinx at Eton, when reality and the rough weeks and months ahead suddenly struck him. And he felt dreadful.

"Dom, can I resign yet?"

"No"


 
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Likelyhood of Scotland ever being given a referendum and any desire for a border poll in Ireland being blocked?

After the next Holyrood elections its inevitable that Scotland will move to independence ( Assuming the predicted big SNP win) by some method. Irish Border poll is written into the GFA so will have to happen

As soon as the Brexit ref happened both things became a matter of "when" not "if"


 
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“Dom, can I resign yet?”

“No”

Even Johnson can summon up the effort to get to January.

Then it is off into the sunset and everyone else gets to clear up the mess. He's been doing it his whole life, he isn't going to stop now.


 
Posted : 14/09/2020 8:01 am
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Irish Border poll is written into the GFA so will have to happen

and from the d'souza case, it appear the UK never fully implimented the GFA, and from recent carry on, the UK gov isn't really interested in International agreements. So why bother with a border poll.


 
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This whole thread is accurate & hilarious

https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1304778986782961669?s=19


 
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