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Yet another web call today...
To upgrade from retailer to Importer - today was for organic products...(12 products)
Here's the thing...as a member of the EU, the UK wrote the rules for third country imports...
I have imported a major UK supermarket brand to Malta for the past 6 years. My livelihood hangs in the balance. Certifications required for EVERYTHING. People keep asking "will the prices increase ?" .. unnecessary...but it will take 4 times as long to get here currently because of additional licensing and customs clearance.
This is not winning. This is cutting your nose off. Do you think overseas businesses want to have shelves empty ? Will they go somewhere else ? ...#notsospecial
If your business relies on food being moved from GB to your country, you need to change your business plans, fast. Unless you have vets. Lots of them.
Anyway, after years of seeing maps with Ireland being chopped off, or greyed out, it’s interesting to start seeing maps like this…
The right and the far left are screaming at each other in ever louder, less decipherable language.
Out of interest, what does the ‘far left’ look like in the UK today?
David Cameron, I think.
The rich will only get richer until they have a problem paying the police. At the point the cake runs out and the poor might start looking at their stocked cupboards and fine furnishings with interest.
There are many, many more poor than rich and the number will just keep climbing from now on.
Far left vs far right is a red herring.
This is about sensible vs stupid.
Centrist vs far right.
Outward looking vs insular.
And
Good vs evil.
We are at about 1930/31 in our pathetic little attempt to repeat history. If no action is taken we may go full 1933.
It is not beyond possibility that England becomes a fascist failed state. There are no guarantees. It COULD happen here.
For ****’s sake, why do you still persist with this lazy rash generalisation?
You don't think it's a lazy, rash generalisation to keep saying the only reason people voted leave was racism?
Brexit legitimised racism, and encouraged and needed it in order to succeed. But the politicians paymasters weren't doing it for racist motives. A lot of leave voters wouldn't consider their vote to be for racist reasons. Scottish people not wanting to be ruled by Whitehall is not necessarily a "racist" or even nationalist choice.
There were other reasons. Refusing to accept and deal with that means lessons will never be learnt.
Ok.
So I already accept that not all Brexit voters are racist.
What do I, as one bloke struggling through life, do now?
What's the way forward?
Dazh says I have to listen and learn.
Who do I listen to?
And what am I likely to learn?
And how will what I learn mitigate the problems caused by Brexit?
While I'm doing all this, what will the people who voted for Brexit be doing to reciprocate my efforts, in order for us to jointly make Britain great again?
Government says there isn't a problem despite industries and haulage saying there is, International trade minister refuses to take questions about trade from MPs.
Problem solved or at least ignored until it can't be.
Government says there isn’t a problem despite industries and haulage saying there is, International trade minister refuses to take questions about trade from MPs.
Problem solved or at least ignored until it can’t be.
Kick the can down the road, avoid scrutiny at all costs, keep up the illusion as long as possible to extract the maximum benefit - political, financial, whatever. Leave the confrontation with reality as late as possible. Preferably until it becomes someone else's problem.
That is this government's MO and it comes from the top. It is exemplified, in fact, by the fraud that is Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (Man of The People).
We used to laugh at countries who elected people like him.
We will not see a centre left government for decades if ever.
Our rights will be eroded slowly but surely.
We will be directly and indirectly taxed into oblivion.
Retirement age will be kicked so far down the line many will be lucky to make it.
Deregulation will continue at a pace.
Many will have no choice buy to eat imported low quality food.
The NHS will be spun out, sold off, traded for favours.
The rich will get very rich
They will though chuck a few 'bones' at their supporters - capital punishment WILL be in the next Tory Manifesto (whenever the next election is).
I have a couple of Guineas on the roll-back of decimalisation and metrication. Just to keep the racists, morons and general snoutflakes who read the mail and express in line.
They will though chuck a few ‘bones’ at their supporters – capital punishment WILL be in the next Tory Manifesto (whenever the next election is).
Well, if you discover a seam of general nastiness just below the surface it makes political sense to exploit it.
And Brexit lifted the lid on that nastiness, showed it to the Tories, and now we have someone of Priti Patel's ilk as Home Secretary. That is not an accident.
that is Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (Man of The People).
Oh he's a man of the people alright, have it all today and let someone else deal with the consequences tomorrow.
Oh he’s a man of the people alright, have it all today and let someone else deal with the consequences tomorrow.
Yep. And if everyone acts like this.....
There isn't a 'someone else' at the end. It is the basic reason he is unfit for office. And he wouldn't be in office if it wasn't for Brexit. And nor would most of the other clowns in the cabinet.
Brexit enabled a purge of sensible, centrist voices and left us with a bunch of halfwits, opportunists and outright crooks. Well done Leavers!
Out of interest, what does the ‘far left’ look like in the UK today?
People who constantly slate Starmer as a Tory wannabe, have cancelled membership of the Labour Party and decry any criticism of Corbyn, regardless of how honest and constructive
That's not an exhaustive description, just a small part of it
"While I’m doing all this, what will the people who voted for Brexit be doing to reciprocate my efforts, in order for us to jointly make Britain great again?"
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Dying mostly. The generation born the 1940's who fought so bravely during the second world war are dying out, with or without the assistance of covid. It is they who bought into the myth of Great Britain more than any one else. It was my Brexit voting uncles generation. For his parents, that bomb site over the road was where Mrs Jones died, for my uncle it was a playground.
His generations view of Britain was grounded in the patriotic war movies churned out through the 50's and 60's, made to raise the moral of a deflated and bankrupt nation. His parents knew the films for what they were but for his generation the films provided a template of greatness.
This delusion extends to my generation as well, born in the late 60's, as part of the pre Star Wars generation, I was raised on 'Battle' comics, Airfix kits and action man. The model for making Britain great again is modelled on the 1950's, Britain's least influential decade when the nation was bankrupt both economically and culturally.
You don’t think it’s a lazy, rash generalisation to keep saying the only reason people voted leave was racism?
And this again just exemplifies my point.
Because who, exactly, is saying that? No-one, not in any serious capacity. It's the same strawman pseudologic that Daz has been batting out for years in order to try and make us look bad. It's disingenuous and frankly the continual accusation is starting to piss me off.
Of course racism wasn't the only motivator. Do you honestly think we're that daft? The reasons people voted to leave were many and varied and we've spent five years now discussing all of them at great length.
Race / immigration concerns was, however, a primary motivator. The primary reason, even. This is well documented so we can't deny otherwise, we knew the demographics of who and why a week after the referendum.
Racism got Brexit over the line.
The generation born the 1940’s who fought so bravely during the second world war...
Child soldiers... 🙁
interesting reading on reddit about a poll about brexit deal. Same arguments there as here, its uncanny....
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/lllmwp/a_majority_of_britons_arent_satisfied_with_how/
some saying **** brexiters, others trying to work out what to do next.
tillydog,
Child soldiers indeed. Many of that heroic generation have died this last year. I think for many of them, as they slipped from this mortal coil they had an epiphany, they recognised that they hadn't actually fought in the War themselves but died happy in the knowledge that they had showed their bravery at the polling booth, they had done 'their bit'.
Meanwhile in other news there is a festival to look forward to with project title FUK 2022.
https://www.ft.com/content/38aaed34-e6d0-477d-a3a6-d42c2c1a2f51
Child soldiers indeed.
They'd have to have been about 5, is what I think Tillydog was getting at. (-: Either your dates need work or your maths, or you're missing a few words and mean something slightly different from what you said.
Irony is dead! I got it Inkster
Irony is dead! I got it Inkster
I did wonder, but then the rest of the post seemed very straight so I figured it was a typo.
The Great Generation....where they'd have a choice of moving forward to attack and likely be killed by the germans or turn back and be shot by their officers.
Why after all this time is it that the same powers, as then, run this country now?
I think if it were me I'd have shot the officers.
Sticking it the unelected…
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1362094517692887042?s=21
https://twitter.com/spittingcat/status/1362099755829067777?s=21
I take it this has already been discussed? I tend to only dip in and out
Amsterdam ousted London as the largest financial trading centre in Europe last month as Brexit-related changes to finance rules came into force.
Its happening despite what some on here claim - the city of london is going to be a much smaller much less influential place as a result of brexit. Much as I hate our reliance on it economically its a fact that we are and the loss of business already is a very damaging thing - and its only going to be going one way
Thought I would drop in to see how the threads going for you all now it’s reached 193 pages...
It seems not much has changed:
- Brexit voters are all racist idiots
- Tories are evil, as is anyone who votes for them
- The country is doomed and there will be pitched battles on the streets ‘when the revolution comes!’
- whimper ‘I can’t buy cheap bike parts from Germany anymore.’
Did I miss anything?
Obviously the EU Commission have been covering themselves in glory these past few weeks, so I’m sure all the Brexit voters are reconsidering there position......
– The country is doomed and there will be pitched battles on the streets ‘when the revolution comes!’
I’ve only heard this from pro Brexit people, when talking about not getting their own way.
– whimper ‘I can’t buy cheap bike parts from Germany anymore.’
So, apart from making things both more expensive and harder to source, what are the other benefits of Brexit?
Did I miss anything?
Facts, reading comprehension and a high-school level of literacy?
We've literally said exactly the opposite - *I've* said literally the opposite - on this very page. [EDIT: apologies, the previous page.]
whimper ‘I can’t buy cheap bike parts from Germany anymore.’
Yeah except it's not just us and bike parts. It's all UK manufacturing industries, and all their customers on the other side. But, all the EU based competitors for UK companies have no such restrictions and can have their stuff there next day.
How awesome is that?!
Obviously the EU Commission have been covering themselves in glory these past few weeks,
Well, the EU ****ed up, but at least they didn't tear up all their trade deals and impose trade barriers on themselves, so I don't think they've ****ed up anywhere as much as we just have!
I work for a UK based manufacturing company (some of the parts we make are integral to vaccine production which is pretty cool!). We can mitigate some of the effects of Brexit by using one of our European sister companies as a distribution centre but even doing that we need to produce an extra 23000 (not a typo) pieces of paper work per year!
Awesome way to get rid of red tape Brexit fans.
And thats before we start thinking about boring stuff like REACH...
So I was right then. A barrage of insults from the terminally disenfranchised. I honestly do feel sorry for you. It can’t be good for your mental well-being to be so angry all the time...
Where did I insult you thatscold?
Also how am I disenfranchised - I'm trying hard to make Brexit work every damn day - unfortunately because of that I struggle to see the advantages of the brave new world you are so keen on.
Most working-class Labour voters were always racist, xenophobic, bordering on fascists (as @oldmanmtb has so eloquently illustrated). But they voted Labour because they were working-class and they’d been told that that was what working-class people did. They didn’t really think about politics or economics at all. The decline of the unions post-Thatcher started to weaken their connection with Labour, and then Farage offered them something that was absolutely in line with their values, and they jumped at it. When the Tories adopted most of UKIP’s policies, it was easy to take that next step.
The Dockers' Union came out in support of Enoch Powell after the Rivers Of Blood speech. The racism and xenophobia was always there, it was just that a Labour government could be held to ransom for double digit pay rises. Thatcher set out to destroy that, so Labour were safe for a while. But when the penny dropped (almost literally) that Labour were not able to throw cash around any more.....
Enter Farage et al with the pandering to prejudice.
thatscold
Free MemberThought I would drop in and troll for a while
must try harder...
thatscold - No positives then - thought not. Doing anything useful to make Brexit work?
So anyone who has a different point of view is a troll.
The opinions espoused in this thread are fortunately a minority point of view.
That Boris photo further up the page.....?
Needs more flags.
"The opinions espoused in this thread are fortunately a minority point of view."
..............
They were, though probably not any more. Put the issue to popular vote tomorrow and it would be a win for remain. Brexit is done though and the new divide is not between leavers and remainers. Now the two sorts of people are those who are looking to do the best they can for themselves, their employees and the country at large in a very difficult situation.....and those who are:
Useless trolls.
Given that the deal is done, when people are asking you for any benefits to Brexit believe them. They are asking you if there are any actual benefits to brexit that they might be able to exploit in order to keep a roof over their or their employees heads. Again, brexit is done, you won, now make yourself useful and start making Britain great again,or stop trollong and leave it to the rest of us to clean up the mess you made.
Inkster I’m so pleased you are rescuing us from Brexit - if rescuing us is posting insults in a thread on a mountain bike forum. Good on you.